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Latest comment: 5 months ago by Epicgenius in topic GA review

Request interior images

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Can anyone feel free to provide the interior image of the library, such as the atrium. Wpcpey (talk) 13:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Uploaded a couple interior photos of the library on Commons and included one in the article. Derrellwilliams (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by HurricaneZeta (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

Atlanta Central Library
Atlanta Central Library
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 769 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2025 (UTC).Reply

Interesting building and story, on plenty of fine sources, offline and restricted sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like ALT1 best, but would skip over the "jail" aspect" and not honor the politician, for example:
  • ALT1a: ... that less than three decades after its completion, the Atlanta Central Library (pictured) was threatened to be demolished?
  • The image is licensed and almost a must. Without it, we should mention "brutalist". How about saying that it was the architect's last work? He seems more important than that politician ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 29 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Commissioning the dead

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The 20th century section says that "trustees refused to commission any work from deceased artists" Can someone explain how one would go around commissioning work from dead people? Drmab (talk) 12:45, 6 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

It might be more appropriate to say that they refused to commission any work from artists who had since died. Alexander Calder drew up plans for an artwork at the library, but the plans were rejected when he died. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

GA review

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


This review is transcluded from Talk:Atlanta Central Library/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 14:53, 1 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Reviewer: Zzz plant (talk · contribs) 12:39, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi Epicgenius, thank you for your work on this article. I'll review it against the GA criteria and should have initial comments posted within a day. I love libraries so I'm especially looking forward to this one! Best, Zzz plant (talk) 12:39, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Well-written?

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  • yes, article is overall quite clear and understandable to a general audience. I will organize minor comments below by sub-section as I go along. note that not all of my prose comments will directly pertain to the GACR and thus will not be used to evaluate promotion. please feel free to push back on anything you don't agree with :-) Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Lede

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  • "The Atlanta Central Library is the central location of the Fulton County Library System (FCLS) in Downtown Atlanta, Georgia, United States." would it work to say "main branch" instead of "central location"? just to avoid the "central" repetition Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • I have changed it to "main location". It was originally "main branch" but was recently changed. - EG
  • "After unsuccessful demolition attempts in the late 2000s and the 2010s..." I feel like "unsuccessful demolition attempts" is a slightly unintuitive turn of phrase. it sounds like they set up the TNT but it didn't go off for some reason. I would adjust the phrasing slightly to convey that the proposals or attempts to authorize demolition were what failed. Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Changed to "Following futile efforts to demolish the building in the late 2000s and the 2010s". - EG
  • "The building has a concrete facade with an inverted massing..." ymmv, but I think massing is a somewhat niche word that could be replaced with a more generalist term in the lede Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Glossed as "general shape". - EG

History

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Need for a new building

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  • "A 1965 study by the library expert Joseph L. Wheeler had prompted library officials to consider a new central branch building." I think just a smidge of context about why the study was commissioned may be helpful here if sources allow Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • I think that might be more appropriate for Carnegie Library, though in either case I'm not seeing anything in the sources at the moment. - EG

Funding, relocation, and demolition disputes

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  • "Maynard Jackson, who won the election, pledged to instead secure funding through private means but was unable to find a private financier." suggest removing the second "private" Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done. - EG
  • I know the trustees were mentioned in earlier sections, but in this part I really started to wonder- where did the trustees come from / who are they? I think their conflict with the government would be a tad easier to follow if we had just a brief bit of context on how they came to be Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done. This was actually part of the Carnegie Library article; these had originally been written as one massive draft, but I decided to split the topics into their own articles before they were published to mainspace. This was a vestige of that massive draft. - EG
  • "...largely among racial lines..." this sounds a tad unidiomatic to me, suggest "...largely along racial lines..." Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done - that was a typo. - EG

Construction

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  • "Despite the dispute between the library board and the city, construction proceeded ahead of schedule, and Hellmuth, Obata & Kassabaum and Jenkins-Fleming were hired as the interior design consultants." I would split this sentence into two separate ones to avoid stacked "and"s - these thoughts also don't seem inherently connected Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done. - EG
  • "The two additional floors were intended to accommodate the branch's future needs, as it would have been disruptive to construct the two floors after the building's completion." I might just be missing context from the ProQuest sources, but I don't think that last part of the sentence really adds a lot. the key point seems that they added the two floors to allow for future expansion Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • The point was that they decided to future-proof the building by installing the floors during the original construction, rather than afterward. I welcome any way to make this more clear. - EG
  • "The new Central Library included an electronic card catalog system to replace the old building's physical cards, as well as a minicomputer system for readers and another system to detect whether patrons had overdue books." just highlighting as a very cool detail! I wouldn't have guessed that computers would have been adopted for tasks like this by the late 70s Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • the prospective sculpture mini-narrative feels unfinished to me, like the plan ultimately went nowhere. Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

20th century

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  • this subsection title seems a bit odd to me, since in the narrative we've been in the 20th century for quite a while now. would suggest something like "opening and early years" Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done. - EG
  • ah okay, here's the rest of the art story. I think this should be kept together in one place, even if it comes at the expense of following an exact chronological order. the set-up in the previous subsection just feels like it's dropped very abruptly before being picked back up again Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Done. - EG
  • "Among these projects were a redesign of the plaza (which had become a frequent spot for loitering)," I feel like if you include the aside about loitering, it sort of invites the need for a clearer explanation of how the redesign was going to address that Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • I clarified that the design was to reduce loitering. - EG
  • "The African-American collection and some items were relocated to the Auburn Avenue Library..." "some items" feels almost distractingly vague. were they items from the collection? or just unrelated knickknacks. if the latter, maybe not even worth mentioning Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • It was the latter; I've removed it. - EG
  • "The theater was closed during the mid-1990s after water from a leaking concrete planter caused parts of the ceiling to collapse." yikes! this library has every possible type of drama. do the sources say if anyone was hurt and/or did it happen while the library was open? Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Yes, I think so, though not specifically when the theater was being used. In fact, I couldn't find a source on when exactly the ceiling collapsed, which makes me think it was more of a gradual deterioration than a sudden event. - EG
  • "Although the restaurant was busy and successful during the building's early years, the FCLS board terminated the restaurant's lease in 1998 in an unsuccessful attempt to lease the space to a higher-paying tenant." I don't think I can access this source, but I just want to double check - did they directly admit that was their motive? it just seems very, er, straightforward for a board to confess something like that. Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • The source says, "Meanwhile, the library's restaurant—asked to vacate in 1998 by the board, which wanted something with lower prices but never found a tenant—should reopen as a coffee bar this fall." I don't think the board explicitly told the restaurant this, but according to Library Journal, that was their motive. - EG
  • "...at the time, it had never undergone a major renovation." feels a bit tacked on to me. I think partly because, given the quite detailed history provided here, it'd be surprising if a major renovation had been done but not mentioned by this point. Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

2000–2007: Initial renovation

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  • I think the organization of the first paragraph could be improved, the transitions just feel a little jumpy. We go from new computer centers to the library is not doing that well to the library is being sued for discrimination against white librarians, and then back again to the library not doing that well (as well as a teaser for a future renovation that hasn't yet been formally introduced) Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    I've moved the renovation detail to elsewhere in the paragraph. Epicgenius (talk) 23:29, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

2008–2016: Demolition plans

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  • "By 2010, there were plans to reopen the basement's abandoned restaurant space as a coffee bar." did this plan go anywhere? if not I'm not sure it needs to be mentioned, it seems like this library - for better or worse - has had lots of unrealized plans, and this one seems pretty minor in the grand scheme of things Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "Homeless people frequently congregated at the building by the early 2010s, prompting other patrons to avoid it." would qualify like "some other patrons", since presumably not everyone avoided it Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "Even so, members of the public signed petitions and left public comments advocating for preservation." "Even so" feels just a tad bit editorial, and also implies contradiction - from my reading these members of the public do want the library's problems to be improved/addressed. they just don't want it to be demolished Zzz plant (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    (EG here) I have removed the first, as that plan didn't go anywhere. For the second and third, I have made the suggested changes. Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt) (talk) 03:24, 16 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

2016–present: Renovation and reopening

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Description

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Exterior

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  • "John Poros, one of Breuer's biographers, wrote that "there is no sense of assemblage here", in that the building appeared to be carved out of a single block of concrete rather than being cobbled together from several structures." the quote here feels a bit awkward because it results in tense-mixing, I think I would suggest paraphrasing or you could change the tense with brackets Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "The 2021 renovation added more windows, since the poorly-lit interiors originally drove away potential patrons." I don't doubt this to be true, but I feel like this should be qualified or attributed rather than said definitively in wikivoice Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "... abutting the basement on Fairlie Street to the northwest. The Fairlie Street facade also contains loading docks and abuts a maintenance space." "abut" is an uncommon enough word that I would try to avoid using it twice in close proximity Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Interior

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Layout and circulation features

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Rooms

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Collection

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  • I mentioned in image review, but the exterior image doesn't seem super relevant here Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "There were collections of artworks, cassettes, films, and equipment, which patrons were allowed to rent or borrow." is there a difference between renting and borrowing? Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Nope. I removed it. - EG
  • the special collection info (what they have as well as their general operations) seems a bit thin, at least in comparison to the rest of the article. if sources allow, I think this could benefit from a tad bit of expansion. like, do they have any notable rare books? can the general public access the genealogy department and the old city directories? is there a display/exhibit associated with the Margaret Mitchell collection? what does "library system's archives" mean in a practical sense- the history of who has borrowed books etc.? Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Unfortunately, the sources themselves are a bit thin on this - although the collections are notable, there aren't really any objects that stand out (unlike the central libraries in places like NYC or Boston). I couldn't even find information on what the collection's current size is, let alone details about the collection. I've clarified some things, nonetheless. Epicgenius (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Reception and media coverage

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  • this section is generally good, but I do think it's a tad quote-heavy overall in places where it doesn't necessarily need to be. I will flag a few that most stood out to me:
  • "...in that it did not strictly follow the philosophy that form follows function, and that it was yet "almost modernistically baroque"." - would recommend getting swapping the first "follow" with a synonym, maybe "keep to" or "observe"? also- I don't really quite know what "it was yet "almost modernistically baroque" conveys Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • I clarified that it was described as a modern version of Baroque architecture. - EG
  • "Retrospectively, although the building's design was well-received in the architectural community, it did not age well..." this strikes me as a bit informal, and also not quite saying (what I think is) the main point - which is that the general public didn't like it. I feel like the lack of color and the windows wasn't necessarily a reflection of the building aging poorly, it was more so that the library didn't provide the environment (even historically) that they expected or wanted Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "The museum wrote that the Central Library, New York City's Begrisch Hall, Rotterdam's De Bijenkorf store, and the Whitney building were "remarkable for the pregnancy and the unity of their volumes"." - this feels like an interesting quote, but I don't know if I quite understand what "pregnancy" is doing here Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • Me neither. I've rephrased. - EG
  • "When the Central Library's demolition was proposed, County Commissioner Robb Pitts claimed that the Breuer building was "dark, it's not friendly, it's not inviting"..." I don't think you need the exact quote here, you can paraphrase his general thoughts like you do with the jail comparison Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "local architect Bobbie Unger said that, despite the building's formidable appearance, "we don't have anything like that here in Atlanta. It should be valued."" would recommend paraphrasing rather than quoting here to convey the gist of what he's saying. his specific word choice isn't adding a lot here imo Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • "Cynthia Rogers of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote that the planned demolition was an example of the "lessons of waste"..." sorry to be a broken record, but this is another spot where I feels intuitively like this is perhaps an impactful quote, but I'm not impacted because I don't really get what she's getting at. like, it's not even clear to me whether she thinks the effort to demolish it is bad or the building itself is bad (and maybe by extension, should be demolished?) Zzz plant (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    • In response to all of these, I have changed or paraphrased the quotes. For Rogers specifically, I reread the source and it seems she was trying to get something else across, so I've revised the text to indicate what she really did intend to say. Epicgenius (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Verifiable with no original research?

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Source spot check

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in-line ref #s as of this revision

Source reliability

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  • yes, you have a very healthy mix here of academic scholarship about the library, articles published in reputable newspapers, and architectural trade journals for the more nitty-gritty technical details. nothing looks out of place, and sources are used appropriately in context for the types of claims they are supporting. Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Broad in its coverage?

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  • yes, I find this to be a very well-researched entry about a (surprisingly controversial) library. the history gets more weight than the library's function/collections - but I think that's unavoidable given the sourcing. and libraries don't tend to get a ton of press/scholarship covering their standard, expected library activities. Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • article uses a summary style, in my spot check I noticed several places where you could have added more detail but didn't. healthy restraint and focus on the key points Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Stable?

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Illustrated?

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  • yes, see below:
File:Atlanta Central Library, ATL.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0 + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Carnegie Library of Atlanta.tif - PD + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Atlanta-Fulton Central Library (8216348716).jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0 + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Walkin ATL 024.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0 + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Atlanta Central Library 2.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0 + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Atlanta Central Library Interior.jpg CC0 + relevant checkY Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
File:Atlanta Central Library.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.5, this is the only one that doesn't seem especially relevant to me, as a standard shot of the library entrance doesn't seem to intuitively illustrate discussion about what the library has in its collection. it also feels a bit redundant to the other exterior images, but I won't object if you want to keep it. Zzz plant (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.