Talk:Arab Winter
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First used by the Washington Post?
[edit]The article says that the term was first used by the Washington Post in December 2011. Ostensibly it's sourced, but of course it only sources the usage, not the supposed fact that it was first used there. This is demonstrably false, as it was used by Moshe Arens in Haaretz in November: (the second is the same article in Hebrew, but uses Arab Winter in the title). However, I believe that this is also unlikely to be the first use of the term, and I distinctly remember it being used in Israel when the Arab Spring just started. Suggestion: we should write that the term was coined following the Arab Spring and leave it at that. —Ynhockey (Talk) 08:24, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- We can just delete "first" and keep the fact that the concept was used by Washington Post as early as December 2011.GreyShark (dibra) 21:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
- That would indeed correct the factual error, but then why is this specific usage important? Why not other uses by other media outlets, or uses by pundits or dignitaries which were made even earlier? —Ynhockey (Talk) 20:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
- I think the question is not when "Arab Winter" was described by sources and analysts as a hypothetic event (maybe even in April 2011), but when the sources began to use "Arab Winter" to refer to actual events. The wording should thus be something like: "The Arab Winter unfolded according to <some sources> in late 2011, while <other sources> describe the discourse of the Arab Spring into Arab Winter developing by mid-2012".GreyShark (dibra) 17:28, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
- That would indeed correct the factual error, but then why is this specific usage important? Why not other uses by other media outlets, or uses by pundits or dignitaries which were made even earlier? —Ynhockey (Talk) 20:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Merge or Expand
[edit]The article as it currently exists is basically a glorified stub. I propose that it either be greatly expanded upon or it gets merged as a subsection of the Arab Spring page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8000:DCEB:D421:B3EA:8BF8:5B09 (talk) 15:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]There is a discussion taking place here that might effect this page. Charles Essie (talk) 03:01, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Revolution?
[edit]This article and it's parent category are categorized as protests, revolutions and revolutionary waves which I'm not sure is accurate. There have been protests but there not the centerpiece of the Arab Winter. The Arab Winter has mostly been categorized as exactly what the open sentence says.
The Arab Winter is a term for the resurgence of authoritarianism, dictatorships, and Islamic extremism evolving in the aftermath of the Arab Spring protests in Arab countries.
That does not sound like a revolutionary wave to me. Charles Essie (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Agree with Charles. Not a "revolutionary" wave, but rather a set of multi-party wars and conflicts.GreyShark (dibra) 11:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)