Talk:Appellation

Appellation

I have some problems with this article's definition and use of the term appellation. The term appellation (a French word) clearly comes from the French AOC system (a fact not mentioned by the article), but this article does not accurately describe the AOC system, which also sets down rules for allowed varities and often vineyard practices and winemaking techniques for each appellation. Also, not all French quality designations are part of the AOC system, case in point being the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855. Classification in terms of geographical origin "only" (without much more rules than that) is more of a New World phenomenon, but none of these classifications use the term appellation, to the best of my knowledge. Trying to describe the wine classification system of one country in terms of those of another country seems like a source of confusion (not the least because the regional French systems under the AOC umbrella differ quite a lot) and also slightly POV, since one country's wine and system in a sense is given precedence before the other. It would probably be more fruitful to make an article on "Classification systems for wine" or "Protected designations of origin for wine" with the aim of comparing the different systems, rather than describing them in terms of one of the systems. Tomas e 19:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Appellation: Canada: Ontario: Niagara

Although it's been in use for a couple of years, effective in 2009 Ontario's Naigara Peninsula appellation has been broken into specific sub-appellations, e.g Beamsville Bench, Lincoln Lakeshore, etc. More information is available here , the official VQA site for Ontario. Mike Brown - Ontario 15:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hungary as world's oldest appellation

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/10/07/story27106.asp is one of 100's of sources for the statement. Removing cite tag accordingly. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bundas (talk • contribs) 01:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am doing some research on port wine and in the article there (and in the article on Chianti) it says that the first appellation was in fact Chianti in 1716 ... can someone perhaps sort it out? Seascapeza (talk) 08:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

It's all a horrible mess, because people who don't seem to understand the French AOC system have taken a habit of using the word "appellation" to mean just about anything that's used to say where a wine is from. Presumably this language is adopted for marketing purposes rather than for correctness. In my mind it's a fairly meaningless and unencyclopedic use of this term to apply it to other countries and situations several centuries before. What is meant by first is typically geographical demarcations of a winemaking areas, and then that term should be used. Tomas e (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Appellation for other foods

The disambiguation page at Appellation_(disambiguation) says that "appellation" is for wine and "appellation of origin" is for products in general, but in actual usage, "appellation" is widely used for many products. This is particularly true in Europe for such products as parmesan cheese and prosciutto. I find this distinction odd at best and generally misleading for people wanting information about appellations. Wakablogger2 (talk) 07:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

United States section

The discussion of Augusta AVA is too long for this article, as it at best should be mentioned as an example of an AVA (and the first AVA), but otherwise has no reason to be singled out in a general article here. Please consider revising. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 October 2026

Appellation → Appellation of origin (wine) – or Appellation (wine)Appellation (wine). This article is exclusively about appellations of origin for wine, but appellations of origin are also used for non-wine products. For example, the Swiss designation of Appellation d'origine protégée is used exclusively for non-wine products. Moreover, according to all four well-reputed dictionaries of English that I checked (Collins, Cambridge, Merriam-Webster and the OED), an appellation is simply a name or title, not primarily something related to the location of origin of a product. We do not seem to have an article about the general concept of an appellation of origin that applies to both wine and non-wine products. The closest articles we may have are Geographical indication and various jurisdiction-specific articles (e.g., Protected designation of origin for the EU and Appellation d'origine contrôlée for France and Denominación de origen for Spanish-speaking countries and Appellation d'origine protégée (Switzerland) for Swiss non-wine products), but the Geographical indication article specifically disclaims being about appellations of origin, saying that "A geographical indication differs from an appelation of origin (also referred to as a designation of origin) since the latter is a special type of geographical indication where the link with the place of origin must be stronger and it requires more criteria for recognition." Note that this article was moved from Appellation (wine)Appellation (wine) in 2007 by a now-retired editor who said "Don't disambiguate articles without anything to disambiguate from." However, as described above, I believe there are several topics that are discussed on Wikipedia that this topic should be disambiguated from.

I also just found a disambiguation page at Controlled designation of origin.

Note that all of the various listed jurisdiction-specific article titles and all the additional titles listed at Controlled designation of origin (and the name of that page itself) include the word "origin" in some language. That seems like a useful word to include to help the reader understand what the subject of the article is.

I also just discovered that a disambiguation page was deleted on 1 March 2026 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Appellation (disambiguation). Whether we deal with this by hatnotes or redirecting to Controlled designation of origin or some other method, the term "appellation" is clearly not exclusively used for appellations of origin for wine only. Also please see related comments at Talk:Appellation#Appellation for other foods.

—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:25, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support & probably reinstate the disam page. Johnbod (talk) 02:47, 7 October 2026 (UTC)