Talk:Apogonoidei

Kurtiformes or Apogonoidei

This article is a bit aggressive that Apogonoidei is correct:

> In some older treatments, it is instead treated as its own order, Kurtiformes (/ˈkɜːrtɪfɔːrmiːz/)

But provides no citation.

From what I can see recent phylogenetic studies, around 2016, use Gobiiformes and Kurtiformes as siblings in a clade with different names:

- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318421234_Revision_of_so-called_Pomatoschistus_Gobiiformes_Teleostei_from_the_Late_Eocene_and_Early_Oligocene - https://scispace.com/papers/phylogeny-of-gobioidei-and-placement-within-acanthomorpha-2ghqj8ku1x

And so do a few Wikipedia pages (but I only have this one quickly available:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acanthopterygii#Phylogeny

It seems like Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes disagrees, and is the source for this flippant comment.

I really have no idea though. Half the phylogenetic trees I found use clades that are tough to find mentioned elsewhere so I imagine this is in flux. I don't think that sentence helps clarify though since they could be very right, and phylogenetic studies have moved on + those Wikipedia pages are out of sync; but I suspect they were just annoyed with updates and tried to make a stronger statement, or that the statement was accurate in the early 2000s but no longer is. Porco-esphino (talk) 01:39, 22 July 2025 (UTC)