Talk:Anna Paquin/Archive 1

Archive 1

Image

Even assuming that there is no copyright problem with this picture, it's much too big for the space. RickK 05:05, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Could I please request that someone puts a new picture of Anna at the top of the page? A True Blood picture would be more up to date, if you can find one we're allowed to use. Thanks. Dicka 8 September 2008

Nationality

What is her nationality? I added it as Canadian, being that she was born there, but maybe she has dual New Zealand-Canadian citizenship. Anyone know for sure? Starcross 19:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, she acquired New Zealand citizenship in 2001, and considers herself a New Zealander. Her mother is a native New Zealander.

Makes the intro that reads "She is also the first Canadian-born actress to win Best Supporting Actress" seem a bit weird then. Is that all you canucks can claim? She's a New Zealander. Stay away! 202.78.240.7 (talk) 01:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Canadian?

Why does it say she's a Canadian actress?? when she was brought up in New Zealand? Shouldn't it be saying Canadian-New Zealand actress or vice versa? 218.101.75.108 09:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd guess the only way to tell would be find out what it says on her passport etc. There are plenty of actors who it's assumed are from a certain country due to accent, upbringing etc but officially they belong to another. --Achmelvic 12:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Paquin acquired New Zealand citizenship in 2001, and has stated that she considers herself a New Zealander.

She should have her canadian citizenship recognized too. This reminds me of pamela andersons wikipedia entrys.

Does she currently hold Canadian citizenship? Jim Michael (talk) 02:09, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Link was of an Oscar speech, obviously recorded from the TV, therefore I removed it. —B33R^{(talk • contribs)} 06:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Good call. ---J.S (t|c) 08:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Misc

I think, it would be very interesting to know how can it be that information about actresses from movie Piano is so mixed. Who is who? Who is Anna Paquin? Who is her sister? And how Holly Hunter became known as actress of this film and there are videos in youtube that she even get an Oscar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by House creator (talk • contribs) June 2008

It's been announced that Anna Paquin will make a cameo appearance in Scream 4, via MovieWeb.com.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.216.106 (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

External links

Could I please ask Skywalker to stop editing the external links. The link to Anna Paquin Online is relevant because it is an acclaimed fansite. It does not violate copyright, as the site ackknowledges copyright and it is all, as far as it is presented, perfectly legal. Also, the link to the AV club interview is official, and aknowledged by Anna herself. There are loads of other articles which have legal links to such sites. Please stop deleting them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.35.70 (talk) 12:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Gossip

"Neither Paquin nor Culkin have publically confirmed that they are together, but they have been spotted making romantic gestures towards each other whilst out and about in New York during the last couple of years." This is an encyclopedia, not a gossip magazine. Please revise this sentence. Schizophonix (talk) 09:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. It's hard not to sound opinonated on Wikipedia, but you have to try to tell it like it is as much as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.35.119 (talk) 09:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Talkheader

I noticed this was just removed from the top. Isn't it generally pretty standard? Just curious.--Stetsonharry (talk) 02:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I think that the person who has edited this page constantly over the past few weeks has done an impressive job of it. I have added the extra nominations credits that they started on this morning. I too also thought the article was a bit vague, but it's obviously a hardcore fan who has improved on it greatly. Credit to them. Dicka 1 July 2008

The header "Theatrical Career" is wrong. It should say "Stage Career" or "Theater Career." "Theatrical" is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.78.163.55 (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Rogue

Can someone please edit out the D'Ancanto part of Rogue's name since she has never had it in the films? It's only ever been a fan belief that happened and the end credits have never given her a last name, nor has one ever been mentioned in the film itself. Thank you.68.49.68.231 (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, the same goes for X2 and X3 as well, just Marie in all those. Thanks again. 68.49.68.231 (talk) 02:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, I really think we ought to get out more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthewiki (talk • contribs) 10:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Canadian

Bryantriplex (talk · contribs) has edit warred on this article (and got a block for edit warring), repeatedly replacing "Canadian" with "Canadian-born". A cited source quotes Paquin: "I am still a Canadian citizen." A Canadian citizen by definition is Canadian. Bryantriplex initially argued that being Canadian-born didn't necessarily make her a Canadian. When I added the source with her quote about Canadian citizenship, he immediately reverted again. After he came off his block for edit warring, he reverted again. Now his argument is that "This Wiki page has almost always described her as a "Canadian-born New Zealand" actress and it was never deemed incorrect. Somebody changed it." Does anyone have a rational objection (as opposed to a bizarre obsession with simply winning an argument) to describing her as Canadian? If so, please provide your rationale in light of the unequivocal evidence of Canadian citizenship. Sundayclose (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• Canadian-born New Zealand actress appears to be the best description for Anna Paquin. She may have dual-citizenship and can claim citizenship to both countries.-- Kayoty (talk) 01:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
  • She does have dual citizenship. So why can't she be described as Canadian-New Zealand actress? Is anyone born in Canada automatically a Canadian citizen? Sundayclose (talk) 01:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

    Agree. Can’t just say New Zealander actress if she has dual citizenship. Also her father was Canadian so not only being born there she has a right to citizenship though himUrgeback (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Canadian-born, according to many talk pages and descriptions here on Wikipedia, does not imply that the person was simply born in Canada without citizenship. "Canadian-born New Zealand" does seem to be the best way and also the most accurate way of describing her, as she was born in Canada but raised in New Zealand and not in Canada. She did not grow up as a Canadian. Many sources evens describe her as being a "Canadian-born New Zealand" actress, including ones that are used on this Wikipedia article. Two of those sources are the ones right next to the sentence that describe her as a "Canadian-New Zealand" actress. The introduction sentence describes her as one thing while the two sources right next to it describe her as something else, which should not be the case, ever.

Being "Canadian-born" can mean that the person was born a Canadian citizen. Bryantriplex (talk) 02:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Bryantriplex

• This could get more complex if she also has American citizenship. Maybe the sentence should be rewritten. For example: "Anna Paquin is an actress who was born in Canada, began her acting career in New Zealand at the age of eleven and now lives in California."-- Kayoty (talk) 07:11, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Problem is according to this article she has Canadian citizenship as well. She was born there and has the citizenship. She was mostly raised in New Zealand and has that citizenship as well. Now she no longer lives there and now lives permanently in the US. So it seems like Canada, New Zealand is merely a place she used to live. Why if she had dual nationality is she only New Zealander? She wasn’t born there and doesn’t live there anymore, so why is the New Zealand citizenship override her Canadian one? I feel Canadian-New Zealander is the more appropriate term. But she certainly can’t be considered just a Canadian-born New Zealander if she holds dual nationality. Also for the first four years of her life she DID grow up Canadian, but for the rest of her life it seems she won’t live as a New Zealander if she lives in US.Urgeback (talk) 20:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The lead already notes her being born in Canada, Winnipeg specifically. It seems kind of redundant to call her a "Canadian-born New Zealand actress" and then once again note that she was born in Winnipeg, Canada. Plus, "-born" terms are usually avoided per WP:ETHNICITY. She gained notability while in New Zealand on a New Zealand co-produced film and her career has been primarily in America/Hollywood, not Canada. She resides in California as of 2020 but she isn't confirmed to have American citizenship. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 01:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

In the US and Canada, you can not hold citizenship from three countries at once. AntonFMD (talk) 05:35, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Also to add further information to the discussion: according the the article she was born in Canada (retaining the citizenship) moved to New Zealand at age 4 (4 years raised as a Canadian), moved to the US at age 16 (12 years raised as a New Zealander) and has lived there since (24 years.) By far the county she has a resided in mostly is America. Yes she was in New Zealand 8 years longer than Canada, but it’s not the country where she has spent most her life. By far that is the US. Granted there is no citation for her having an American citizenship, but by point of bringing it up it using 8 years in New Zealand and 4 in Canada while she has dual nationality and call her Canadian-born New Zealander seems inappropriate. Also adding to the fact that she had an Canadian father and a New Zealand mother also makes her both by ethnicity. I just don’t understand why the Canadian part of her is replaced with the New Zealand part because of 8 more extra years. Urgeback (talk) 11:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Urgeback - This has been discussed over 13 years ago with user @Wildhartlivie pointing out why New Zealand is the country she gained notability in and first worked as an actress. And other users seemed to agree on "New Zealand" (with the alternative wording of "New Zealander" causing some debate). Adding "Canadian-born" is redundant because the lead already notes that she was born in Winnipeg.

In respect to guidelines MOS:LEADBIO and WP:ETHNICITY, she may have dual Canadian citizenship, but Paquin achieved notability not as a Canadian actress or even in Canada, but rather in New Zealand. Her first major role was in 1993's The Piano, a film with a New Zealand director and filmed in New Zealand. It is also considered a New Zealand co-production with two other countries (Australia and France) that aren't Canada or the United States. Furthermore, filming took place by the time Paquin was living in New Zealand:

Paquin was born in Canada but raised in New Zealand and it was in New Zealand where she got her start

This discussion here seems to point at her being called "Canadian-born New Zealand actress", which is what several sources describe her as:

Canadian-born True Blood actress ... Starring Canadian-born, New Zealand actress Anna Paquin[

Canadian-born Kiwi Anna Paquin

Canadian-born New Zealand actress

But again, WP:ETHNICITY states against mentioning birth place unless particularly relevant and the wording of those sources all puts emphasis on her being from New Zealand, as the "Canadian-born" seems to be more of a side fact. The opening paragraph already notes her birth in Winnipeg.

Looking at her provided filmography and career, it has been largely in American/Hollywood productions and of course The Piano, her first major role and the film that launched her to stardom. It's a New Zealand co-production and filmed there. She was living in Los Angeles as of 2020 but it doesn't appear that she has American citizenship and not every passport a notable person possesses or possessed needs to be added to the lede anyways. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 01:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually according to this she has lived in America since she was 16 which would make it since 1998-onwards. The high school she attended was an American one, so she has lived in the United states through virtually all her adolescence and her entire adult life. To look at Olivia Newton-John she is considered a English-American singer/actress. This is despite the fact she spent almost her entire childhood in Australia and was well-known an an Australian. The fact that she was born there and had citizenship can’t be ignored regardless of people think she is from. Mel Gibson was introduced as an Australian actor, but was later known that he was in fact, American. Tina Turner was well-known as an American singer, but the fact she did in fact renounce her citizenship and become a citizen of another country means she cannot be listed as an American anymore. Paquin has never renounced her Canadian citizenship and despite what “popular opinion” is the fact being she is a Canadian as well, by birth and citizenship. Urgeback (talk) 05:36, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Also some further links that refer to her as Canadian-New Zealander:

Urgeback (talk) 05:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

The lead sentence should say either "Canadian and New Zealand" (the use of "and" reduces ambiguity per MOS:ETHNICITY) or "Canadian-born New Zealand" IMO. Saying only "New Zealand" sounds incomplete. She's a citizen of both countries but currently lives in neither. Thedarkknightli (talk) 20:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed but isn’t the proper term for someone from New Zealand, New Zealander? Urgeback (talk) 22:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

New Zealander is a correct demonym, but as an adjective, New Zealand is the correct form. Clear Looking Glass (talk) Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Thedarkknightli - it's not true that she doesn't consider New Zealand her home anymore or doesn't visit the country regularly. It might not be her primary residence, but she said she still travels back to New Zealand every year according to a 2019 interview with 1 News. She still calls New Zealand home, and gets back at least once a year so her children can spend time with their cousins. [At the 3:45 mark of the video].

I don't see why it's "incomplete" to just call her a "New Zealand actress". We already note her Winnipeg (Canada) birth in the subsequent sentence. New Zealand is the country she is largely identified with, the one she first gained notability in, and she still visits New Zealand regardless on America being her current home. It was agreed upon that someone like Nina Dobrev is just "Canadian" despite her Bulgarian-birth and dual Canadian/Bulgarian citizenship because she was raised in Canada and did not gain notability in Bulgaria despite being proud of her origins. Quite frankly, she seems like a rather similar scenario to Paquin but everything is based on discussion.

Here's a Canadian media outlet noting that while Paquin was born in Canada and has dual Canadian citizenship, she is primarily associated as being a New Zealand national ​The first Canadian-born actress to win an Oscar in over 60 years, Anna Paquin is actually an arguable inclusion here. While born in Winnipeg, her family moved to New Zealand when she was four and she is generally associated with the latter as a nationality. Further evidence is the New Zealand government calling her the first New Zealand actress to win an Academy Award for acting. Eleven-year-old Anna Paquin became the first New Zealander to win an Academy Award for acting

@Urgeback - Even the Canadian interview you provided describes Paquin as a "New Zealander", but she also mentions her primary residence in America and how her cosmopolitan life and how it affects her self-identity. the little New Zealander But I wouldn't put much faith on media profiles, since they seem all over the place. One even calls her "New Zealand-Canadian-American". Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The New Zealand government can call her what they want. It doesn’t make her so. Olivia Newton John called australia home and is still listed as an English-Australian singer. Again she only spent roughly 10 years in New Zealand, wasn’t born there. Alfred Hitchcock was an american citizen yet is listed as British. You can’t just ignore her birthplace and citizenship because she is known as something Urgeback (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I’ve changed my mind. Now I agree with your arguments, @Clear Looking Glass. Sorry for my ignorance. I’ve realized Canada isn’t that important to Paquin’s identity. Also, a lot of reliable sources simply describe her as a “New Zealand / Kiwi actress”. Let’s ignore the other stuff. Btw, shall we take the issue to WP:DRN?

Regards, Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok then tell me this: Olivia-Newton John who was born in the UK, moved to Australia at a young age. Became a citizen and renounced her British citizenship (dual nationality was not allowed then) Spent the majority of her childhood here, moved briefly back to the UK, moved to America became a citizen, but never became a British citizen again has to be referred to and a British and Australian singer/actresd. Anna was born in and spent a good deal of her childhood in Canada, moved to New Zealand, became a citizen. Later moved to America and keeps her Canadian citizenship to this day. Why is she only New Zealander. 101.119.111.54 (talk) 00:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Because Newton-John was appointed the OBE in 2020, which proved her British citizenship and is important, see this RfC. Thedarkknightli (talk) 18:14, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

References

Pronunciation

How is her surname pronounced? I always want to say it as if it were French, but that's doubtless wrong. Does anyone know? Opera hat (talk) 00:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Pack-win. -Duribald (talk) 06:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

How disappointing. But thank you. Opera hat (talk) 23:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Sister

Her sister Katya is in a de facto relationship with Russel Norman the co-leader of the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand (third largest party in NZ Parliament). Should the article mention this?

No, why should it? -Duribald (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I note that the article does mention this fact now. How are the political leanings of her sister's partner relevant to the principle subject? Expecially in a section titled "early life" since the marriage did not, in fact, occur during her early life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.118.29 (talk) 07:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Katya does not have a separate Wikipedia article. I don't think it is particularly undue to mention a single fact about her in the context of Anna Paquin's family, and since at present, the "Early life" section is the only place her family is mentioned, that is the only place possible to mention her sister's relationship. Elizium23 (talk) 08:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

First sentence

The first sentence was just edited today from 'Anna Paquin is a New Zealander actress' to '... is an actress from New Zealand'. I was about to revert it but I figured I should get what most people prefer first. So...which one? Or something different, perhaps? Depor23 (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the second wording, actually. The term "New Zelander" seems awkward to me, although it is probably correct English. But, revert the sentence if you want; both ways seem equally valid to me. 155.99.222.93 (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The term "New Zealand actress" doesn't fit, because she doesn't act only in New Zealand. It's like calling President Obama a "Hawaii politician". He might be a Hawaiian politician, but not a Hawaii politician, because he isn't in Hawaii anymore.

Besides, according to this article Paquin lived in New Zealand only from age 4 to age 13. So I don't see why New Zealand should be in the first sentence of the article at all. If it has to be, why not just say "Anna Helene Paquin is an actress from Canada and New Zealand"? — Lawrence King ^(talk) 06:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

No, Obama would still be called an American president, unless New Zealand is a state within a larger country, which I hadn't heard about. She became notable while a New Zealand resident and the description as "a Canadian-born New Zealand actress" is entirely proper. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any citations to support the idea that in 2010, people still think of Paquin as "a New Zealand actress"? If you do, you should cite them. I agree that it would be correct to describe Paquin as a "New Zealander", but that's not what the sentence says right now. It doesn't describe her as a New Zealander. Instead, it describes her profession as "New Zealand actress". And that is false -- she has not been a New Zealand actress since 1995. So the introductory sentence is fifteen years out of date. It is analogous to calling Michael Jackson as "a California musician", or Barack Obama as "an Illinois politician". Jackson and Obama did become notable while residents of California and Illinois, respectively... but that does not describe what they became later. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 04:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what a citation says about what people think, this is specifically covered by MOS:BIO which says:

"Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity);

1. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was when the person became notable."

In the case of Anna Paquin, her notability as an actor was established with her role in The Piano and she won her Academy Award in 1993 and that defines notability. This is exactly how we handle a situation such as this one. Paquin was decidedly a national of New Zealand at the point in time she became notable, i.e., was nominated for and won an Academy Award in 1993. Further, she became a New Zealand citizen in 2001. , so that covers any equivocation about the wording. She's a New Zealand citizen, too. But if you insist, see here, also on same website, here, here, here, here and here. Note that the majority of those links are current, including one written in April of this year. And the introduction doesn't identify her profession as "New Zealand actress", her profession is actress, her country when she became notable was New Zealand. As I said before, unless you are contending that New Zealand is a state that is part of another country, your analogy of Michael Jackson as a California musician or Barak Obama as an Illinois politician is logically flawed. They became notable while living in the United States, they are American. You're applying statehood examples to a situation regarding country of residency. Not the same thing. In fact, if one follows MOS:BIO to the letter, it says "Similarly, previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Technically, Canada shouldn't be mentioned in the lead paragraph. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

But even if I change California/Illinois to United States / American, the analogy remains the same. You can say "Michael Jackson is an American musician," because semantically American is an adjective and describes Jackson. But you cannot say "Michael Jackson is an America musician"! Because America is a noun, there is no way in English grammar to parse "Michael Jackson is an America musician" as two separate claims about Jackson (that he is American and that he is a musician). The only way to parse it is that he is an "America musician" -- whatever that means. And that's what you are doing here. Paquin is indeed a New Zealander and and actress, so it would be 100% correct and proper to say "Anna Paquin is a New Zealander actress". But the current article says "Anna Paquin is a New Zealand actress". This says nothing about her nationality -- it asserts that her profession is "New Zealand actress", which is either a meaningless term, or it refers to an actress who works in New Zealand. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 18:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

MTS not MCI?

This looks a little sketchy - weren't the 1994 telephone company commmericals for Manitoba Telecom Services (MTS), not MCI? (Commercials noted for the tag line "Welcome to the future" whispered by Paquin.) And if she was living in NZ at the time, why would a Winnipeg-based company go to the other side of the world to get an actor for a commercial, even if it was her natal city? --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Photos

Does anyone have a photo of this woman that is not of the side of her face? All three pictures on this page are side views. Probably not the best photos for a Wiki article. -hsxeric 8:52 May 4, 2012

full-face photo of Anna Paquin

There are a number of photos at commons:Category:Anna Paquin and some of them have full-face shots. File:Anna Paquin 1 (2009).jpg might be suitable, perhaps to replace the middle picture of the three in the article. You are welcome to make this replacement yourself.-gadfium 23:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

English variant?

The template {{Use British English}} is at the top of this article, but I find it curious because Paquin has no strong ties to Great Britain. Per WP:ENGVAR, shouldn't we use instead {{Use New Zealand English}} or even {{Use Canadian English}}? Elizium23 (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I would be happy with New Zealand English. It's rare that there's much difference in written language between NZ and British English. I think there's no point in using Canadian English as she moved to NZ when she was four years old.-gadfium 03:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Anna Paquin moved from Canada to New Zealand at 4 and left New Zealand at age 13.... She's lived the last 16 years in the US, graduated high school in the US, went to university in the US, currently lives and works in the US, was married in the US, has 2 step children in the US, is going to give birth to twins in the US, etc. Except for a single child role she did, all the projects that have made her famous are US-based films and TV series. What's all this silly talk of British English, New Zealand English, and Canadian English?Udibi (talk) 09:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it makes sense the article should be in American English so why wasn't that done? Crazy. 70.190.200.191 (talk) 15:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The first variant of English used in this article was American English, as well as mdy dates, so that's also an argument for converting it back at this point. Elizium23 (talk) 10:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

You seem to have a vested interest in this article so change it to American English please...geez 70.190.200.191 (talk) 15:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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