Talk:Anna Angelicoussis

Removals

Good evening. You have removed two pieces of text. The first concerns the mention of Anna Angelicoussis in the Forbes list and the second relates to the donation of one million. I still do not understand the reason for the removal. Both sources specifically mention her by name (Anna Angelicoussis) and it is quite common practice to include the family as well. This does not mean that it isn't individual wealth. Similarly, the same applies to Bernard Arnault (Bernard Arnault & family) or Charles Koch in the Forbes list. I hope you don't imply that they are not billionaires either.

The Forbes website clearly lists her as a billionaire, which is why the text refers to her:

“Anna Angelicoussis owns Greek shipping firms Alpha Bulkers, Alpha Gas and Pantheon Tankers Management.”
“Angelicoussis previously owned a number of other shipping firms with her brother John Angelicoussis (d. 2021) but split off to form her own business in 2000.”
“Together her firms own 82 oil tankers, liquefied natural gas carriers and bulk carriers.”
“Her niece Maria Angelicoussis inherited John's companies and is now Greece's richest person.”

The same applies to The 50 Richest Self-Made Women On Earth list. In this list, Anna Angelicoussis is ranked 42nd as "Anna Angelicoussis and family." By the logic you are adopting, this is strange because the list is supposed to refer to individuals, yet she is still mentioned.

All the best! Shipobserver (talk) 11:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

A source stating that a group of individuals collectively have wealth over $ 1 Billion cannot be cited as evidence that one of the individuals does. And frankly, the fact that the source is supposed to be about individuals, and yet includes '& family' in multiple instances does little to enhance its credibility. As has been noted at WP:RSNP, while some Forbes content, written by established staff members, seems reliable, and are subject to proper editorial oversight, the Forbes website also includes a great deal of less reliable content. I have my doubts as to whether we should be citing that list at all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Since the Forbes article refers exclusively to her (as I mentioned with specific examples), I really don’t see what the issue is. In any case, I don’t have a strong objection and won’t pursue it further. I’ll include it in the article exactly as it appears in the source (Anna Angelicoussis and family). As for the one million donation, what was the reason for its removal?--Shipobserver (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have already explained. You cannot cite a source saying that a group of people made a donation for a statement that an individual made it. And frankly, I have my doubts about the source cited being appropriate. A website specialising in the shipping trade clearly has an interest in promoting those involved. It is hardly the best source for independent commentary on philanthropy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)