Talk:Angels in Christianity

Wooooah, what the heck on this trim down

This page used to have a ton of cited information on the history of occult texts and various theological works that built up this topic, and now it's like a hatchet was taken to it, making it look like classifications like "Dominions" have as much basis in the history of Christian culture as any given obscure Marvel character. There's no discussion of which choirs are mentioned in which works. Also, there's no acknowledgement that obviously most of this approach to classifying angels was inspired by how the Jewish faith handled it.

The heck? This article was made actively worse.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@KrytenKoro: Could you provide a link to a version of the article with the sourced information you believe should be included. In January, there were significant deletions that removed mostly unsourced content. In September last year, there were significant deletions that removed some sourced content from the Catholic Encyclopedia (which has since been established as a generally reliable source). Which of these deletions do you mean? ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

No, it looks like the page as I knew it was fully deleted before being turned into a redirect to this one. From memory, I think it was in large part a combination of the current Jewish angel article and this one, with some additional focus on what verses are claimed as attestations, and I believe some discussion of each class of angel in established mythology and folklore (like Dante's divine comedy, etc.).

Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 20:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)r.

@KrytenKoro: I just tried looking for this deleted article you're talking about. I saw a 2016 move and a couple more recent moves, but nothing really matched what you're talking about. Do you have a timeframe that this earlier version may have existed during? ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

It looks like it would have been the article "Christian angelic hierarchy" around 2014.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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What is the reason for it? I don't get it.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Reviving the hierarchy discussion

This seems to have fallen off the talk page, and an earlier attempt to revise was controversial, but I really think this page needs to be reworked. There's just no way that the article needs nine main headings for the Pseudo-Dionysian hierarchy, a non-canonical schema not even remotely close to the heart of Nicene Christianity. Originally this page was all about the P-D hierarchy, which explains how it became so prevalent, but now that it's been renamed to the much broader "Angels in Christianity" this needs to be revisited.

Here is my proposed heading structure, hopefully a fair compromise with those who want to prioritize the hierarchy:

• 1. General Views
  • 1.1. Antiquity
  • 1.2. Pseudo-Dionysian Hierarchy
  • 1.3. Roman Catholic Church
  • 1.4 Guardian Angels
• 2. Angels in the Bible
• 3. Angelic Ranks According to the Pseudo-Dionysian Hierarchy
  • 3.1 Seraphim
  • 3.2 Cherubim
  • 3.3 Thrones
  • 3.4 Dominions or Lordships
  • 3.5 Virtues
  • 3.6 Powers or Authorities
  • 3.7 Principalities or Rulers
  • 3.8 Archangels
  • 3.9 Angels
• 4. See Also
• 5. References
• 6. Bibliography
• 7. Further Reading

Would be open to edits, but I really want to see these ranks tucked into subheadings. Garnet Moss (talk) 02:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Why should we have a long section+sub-sections on 'Angelic Ranks According to the Pseudo-Dionysian Hierarchy' when the De Coelesti Hierarchia article exists? Veverve (talk) 10:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Your guess is as good as mine, I’m certainly not married to the idea. But in previous discussions/edits there was strong pushback against demoting/removing the P-D hierarchy, so I gave up. My current proposal is a compromise. Garnet Moss (talk) 16:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

latter days saints movement?

why is mormon view cited in this article about angels in christianity? ~2026-15131-37 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

They are a christian denomination like all of the others mentioned. ~2026-22559-06 (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2026 (UTC)