Talk:Ancient Macedonians

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2025

Clarify that macednos is the singular form, while in the text you need plural form, which is macednoi Aetolorhode (talk) 23:29, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 23:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia

The version 14:46, 26 October 2025 Wbm1058 of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia to expand an existing artile.--Wing (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Globalize

I strongly believe that there is a regional bias in the article. There is a well-known debate between North Macedonia and Greece regarding historical claims to Ancient Macedon. The population of Greece is 11 million, and that of North Macedonia is 2 million, which inherently creates the illusion of a majority opinion from the Greek perspective. The issue should be addressed. MacedonLinguist (talk) 09:40, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

That so-called debate officially ended with the Prespa agreement, where North Macedonia renounced all claims on ancient Macedonia, so your argument does not apply. Unless you have a good reason for the tag, it should be removed. StephenMacky1 (talk) 10:05, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

What specific qualms do you have with the current version of the article. Simply being vague about supposed conflicting opinions does not help improving wikipedia.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 13:35, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

@MacedonLinguist You seem to be confusing popular ideas found among the general public, which are irrelevant here, with scholarly consensus among professional academics, which is the only important metric we use at Wikipedia. Please refer to WP:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history), and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Not that it matters, but the vast majority of sources cited in the article were composed and published by people who do not come from Greece. The mere fact that someone comes from Greece also says nothing about their reliability as a professional historian, classicist, archaeologist, or linguist. Your insinuation that there is a regional bias in the article is neither helpful nor accurate, considering how I am the primary contributor and nominator for GA status, and I do not come from Greece. It's also unhelpful and inaccurate considering the very careful wording and inclusion of minority viewpoints among academics that ancient Macedonians had a complex cultural identity in the ancient world and that their language was possibly a sibling Indo-European language related to Greek instead of being a Greek dialect. You seem to have brushed all of that aside and made grand assumptions without reading the article, while standing on a WP:SOAPBOX to promote your views. It would be far more constructive if you spent your time actually discussing the specific academic sources cited in the article, instead of lobbing generic accusations. Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:41, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, but your personal opinion is not enough to push this template above.--Jingiby (talk) 09:50, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

The usage of the template doesn't require consensus. It is actually used in cases where artificial consensus due to population differences exist. Template:Globalize/doc MacedonLinguist (talk) 10:02, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

And where was provided explanation where is this case where artificial consensus due to population differences exists? This needs to be checked if it is a real or an imagined, or marginal and not important case. --Jingiby (talk) 10:51, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

There is a well-known debate between North Macedonia and Greece regarding historical claims to Ancient Macedonia. On top of that, there is a debate between North Macedonia and Bulgaria over claims that ultimately go back to Ancient Macedonia, so people from Bulgaria tend to support the view of Greece. This pits editors from a combined pool of 20 million people against editors from a pool of 2 million. This creates an artificial consensus that silences other views. If you're from Greece or Bulgaria, then this section doesn't apply to you. It's just to attract people from other areas. MacedonLinguist (talk) 11:58, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Croatian historian Tvrtko Jakovina cited the appropriation of Alexander the Great by the Macedonian historiography as example of an "obvious lie". Per historian Michael Palairet, in the three-way dispute about Macedonian identity, the Bulgarian view is more objective than either the Greek or Macedonian view, but the Macedonian historiographical version departs even from common sense. --Jingiby (talk) 13:00, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

I agree that modern Macedonians are not direct descendants of ancient Macedonians. The same applies to modern Greeks as descendants of ancient Greeks, and to modern Bulgarians as descendants of the ancient Bulgars (who were Turkic). However, this is irrelevant here. The real issue is that, statistically, more people from a combined pool of 20 million will be motivated to present one side of the story. MacedonLinguist (talk) 14:09, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have that many editors from those countries, so there is no "artificial consensus" here. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:00, 31 October 2025 (UTC)