Talk:Alexander Scriabin

Related to Molotov or not?

The article confidently states that Scriabin was not related to Molotov. D. Watson, in Molotov: A Biography, agrees that one of Molotov's brothers, a composer, changed his name to avoid confusion with the better-known Scriabin, but states that Molotov and Scriabin were second cousins. --Heron (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Calling a Scriabin enthusiast/expert ...

Scriabin is just such an important, outstanding composer. I'd expand his bio beyond B-class, but I'm not the right person for the job, as I write about Finnish classical music rather than Russian, and thus haven't the appropriate sources at hand. Surely there is someone out there who can take this project on and serve the wider community! Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

digital guitar and bass from midi / right channel delayed 30 ms

Does not seem to be useful to the article The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

• Sonata No. 9 , Op. 68 Black Mass by Alexander Nikolayevich Scriabin - midi guitar & bass https://voca.ro/1a7w2ILesq9z

Not quite sure why. Or why here. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• denoised & muffled version https://voca.ro/1bx524ncw7P1

Still no idea how his could improve the article, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Diagram of circle of fifths is a misleading fabrication

Keys arranged in a circle of fifths in order to show the relationship with the visible spectrum in Scriabin's variant of synesthesia

The article contains the diagram at right, with the caption as shown. This diagram purports to depict Scriabin's synesthetic connections between colors and musical keys. But the image was manufactured entirely by a Wikipedia editor and there is no evidence that the colors are based on anything other than the editor's imagination. Even if correct, there is no cite.

And it probably is not correct, because tt does not match the description in the article, which reports that, according to Rachmaninoff, “[Scriabin] maintained that the key of D major was golden-brown”.

The illustration should be replaced with one from a reliable source, or, if none is available, there should be a disclaimer that the illustration is only a fanciful reconstruction of the colors Scriabin might have associated with the circle of fifths. —Mark Dominus (talk) 12:06, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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Unrelated footnote

I removed this footnote from the lead, where it had nothing to do with the text to which is was attached. The matter seems to be detailed in the body of the article, but if anyone thinks any of it is needed, please add it in the right place. Imaginatorium (talk) 13:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

The British historian Simon Sebag Montefiore, in footnote 62, page 39 of his book Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar (2003) takes issue with the common claim of Scriabin being a "cousin" or a "relative" of Vyacheslav Molotov, born Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Skryabin. (Translated from a note of this article on the French WP.)

"Most innovative"

Most of Scriabin's biographers discuss the composer's footprint in musical innovation as a hallmark, but not in comparison to all composers of the time. As much as I love Sciabin, none claim (from whom I've read) that he is one of the most innovative, but simply that he is innovative. The current sentence is at the start of the second lede paragraph, and it isn't supported by inline or body sources. I'll be bold and change it for now so that it at least isn't incorrect. Wretchskull (talk) 17:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that's an improvement; thank you. (I stared at that and could not myself think of a better word.) He wasn't 'innovative' in the way people like Debussy or Schoenberg were; more of an outlier, like Gesualdo, he did some wild and brilliant things but had no disciples. What was it Henry Miller said -- "... a bath of ice, cocaine and rainbows ... divinely fouled up ... that far-off cosmic itch..." (probably misquoting). Antandrus (talk) 18:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

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References

As a professional musicologist, I recently contributed a section on Scriabin's philosophy. However, after publishing my edit, I discovered that the citations were inexplicably altered from what I had originally included. This required me to redo the entire section. Can anyone shed light on what might have caused this? Is it common for this to happen across the whole page when someone makes an edit? Having spent my entire morning on this edit, I unfortunately lack the time and energy to review and correct the entire page. The Death of the Author (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

First, you need to take another look at what you've added.

1. Most of your philosophy additions are unsourced, and a lot look like WP:Original research, which is prohibited.
2. Please remember that this is a highly general overview article in a tertiary source. That amount of information included in philosophy for an individual best known for music composition seems highly Undue, especially having three (!) entire sub-sections
3. You've not demonstrated that the vast majority of reliable secondary sources call him a "philosopher". Just because someone has a philosophical approach or scholarship on them does not automatically make them a "philosopher"
4. Now, I do not know what your speciality is as a musicologist. But surely, you must know that Chopin was by-far and away Scriabin's first major influence—to the extent that his early works occasionally sound like Chopin pastiche. By adding the names Schumann, Wagner, Liszt etc. you are
   1. Adding unsourced information
   2. Confusing the narrative of his influence (yes, Scriabin was influenced by other composers, but did their influence compare to that of Chopin? No)
   3. Adding a list of major Romantic composers.. well yes, obviously they would have influenced him! Chopin specifically is the key detail here. – Aza24 (talk) 19:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)