Talk:Hazaragi dialects

The wording of the "Turkic and Mongolic influence" subsection is misleading

The way its worded makes it sound like that Hazaras spoke an Iranian langauge orginally and then proximity with Turkic and Mongolic peoples made them adopt their vocabulary but not entirely speak that langauge but according to Babur who was the first to record Hazaras of Centeral Afghanistan in the 16th century he said they spoke Mogholi and Persian. Not, just Persian. Mioncraft (talk) 22:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

https://archive.org/details/baburnamainengli01babuuoft/page/208/mode/2up?q=hazara This is my source here. page 207 of the Baburnama, inhabitants of Kabul. "In the western mountains are the Hazara and Nikdiri tribes, some of whom speak the Mughili tongue." Mioncraft (talk) 22:11, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran I'd appreciate it if I got your input since you seem active in this area of interest. Mioncraft (talk) 22:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi the Baburnama is a primary source, so not WP:RS. The link of the first citation in the "Turkic and Mongolic influence" section doesn't even work, so someone will have to look what the second citation, the EI3 article, says. I'm a bit hard pressed these next two days, so I might look further into this afterwards. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:28, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I see, Thank you for the response. Mioncraft (talk) 22:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I want to restart this discussion since I see the article has improved since last time but it says here in the subsection "Over time, the Turkic languages gradually disappeared as spoken languages among the Hazara people." and if you check the source by the Univeristy of Karachi it doesn't claim that Hazaras one time spoke a Turkic language, therefore would "disappear" among Hazaras. The second source doesnt seem to work. @KoizumiBS I would also greatly appreciate your input here too. Mioncraft (talk) 11:39, 28 September 2025 (UTC)