Talk:Anthony Albanese/Archive 1

Archive 1

Editing dispute

This edit contains weasel words and has WP:WEIGHT issues Timeshift (talk) 05:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I strongly disagree on this one - it is a direct quote from a former senior Labor frontbencher, and is essential to ensure NPOV. Anthony Albanese is a very controversial figure, and it is only fair that his Wiki reflects this.Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 22:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

How is it essential to ensure NPOV? You have no idea what WP:NPOV is do you? I am weary about your contributions and where your inspiration comes from. Timeshift (talk) 23:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Assuming you mean 'wary' not 'weary', might I draw your attention to WP:AGF. Secondly, the NPOV guidelines state demonstate that all points of view be considered. The article as it currently stands only lists the postive aspscts of Anthony Albanese and his involvment in politics. The fact that he has a reputation, well documented in the media, for engaging in hard line factional warfare, and is considered one of the national leaders of the Hard Left, is somehting you can not ignore and whitewash out of this article. It was a very significant criticism of him, and is something that should be included. You are welcome to use sources to justify his actions if you wish, but this point of view should be considered Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 00:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

State precisely where it says all POV be considered. It says all 'significant' points of view be considered. Your tone in that post is most certainly demonstrating a complete lack of WP:NPOV. What is currently there is an overview of his career, your addition is certainly not of the same breadth/depth, it has major WP:WEIGHT issues. Timeshift (talk) 00:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The view of Laurie Fergeson certainly is significant! Furthermore, whilst I welcome any constructive additions or changes to what I inserted, the fact remains that you are censoring the site and removing any negative material. Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

No that is your view. See my previous post. Major WP:WEIGHT issues. Timeshift (talk) 01:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It is somebody's opinion as quoted possibly out of context in a broadsheet daily a number of months ago. I should note that such a low bar would in fact allow considerable speculation on Liberal figures and/or their media allies (Alex Hawke in particular would merit half a book on this basis), which judging from the singularly one-sided nature of your edits to date, would probably not meet with your approval. Orderinchaos 22:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

being a "direct quote from a former senior Labor frontbencher" does not make it fact, it's still an expression of opinion. Just because a politician says something in public does not make it fact. I've noticed Auspoliticsbuff is showing potential bias towards Liberal partyMichellecrisp (talk) 07:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That is not the point. The point is that he has come under criticism and is a controversial figure. I use as precedent the fact that David Clarke page there are similar numerous quotes of criticism from other politicians. This is no different. Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 07:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You have found one quote of considered powerbroker, yet there are several references from different people on David Clarke's page about his controversial nature. Different sources strengthen reliability of a claim Michellecrisp (talk) 07:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Laurie Fergeson has a long standing involvment in the Labor Party. He was a state member from 1984-1990, and a federal member from 1990 to now. he has held many seniour party positions, and his weight is considerably more than backbenchers like those quoted in the David Clarke article. Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 07:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

well if you can back it up with other people's views it would be more credible. I'm not going to debate here trying to lessen the controversial nature of Clarke. Michellecrisp (talk) 07:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What, you want me to line up a list of sources of everyone who's attacked Albanese? Perhaps start up a new subheading entitled 'criticism'? Because I easily can if that's what you wantAuspoliticsbuff (talk) 08:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I strongly suggest reading WP:NOT - chiefly among them, "Wikipedia is not a soapbox". Also WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP, which practically preclude the entire proposal raised above. I would strongly suggest that if you wish to have your edits accepted by the community (and this is an editing community) that edit-warring over polemics tends to result in hardened resolve by both sides to maintain mutually inferior versions of articles and stunts development, as has been seen many other times in many other places. It does not help the encyclopaedia and it is much better to try and justify proposed changes. If they can't be justified, they probably shouldn't be made. Orderinchaos 22:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The last suggestion wasn't intended to be taken seriously... I am just struggling to accept how criticism of Mr. Albanese's factional dealings is something taht shouldn't be included hereAuspoliticsbuff (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Page protection on?

Mistake? Please turn it off. Timeshift (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

It was clearly a deliberate response to the low-level edit war, but it's been a month now, so I've unprotected. JPD (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent edit re: NRL

This edit seems like a WP:RECENTism but me and sports don't mix so I may be underestimating the value of the contribution. Thoughts? Timeshift (talk) 04:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm more concerned about WP:UNDUE in this situation - ideally we'd have some small mention of this incident in a much longer article, but as is a whole paragraph in such a short article is far too much weight to give what is, from what I can see, a fairly minor part of his career. Frickeg (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes that too. Timeshift (talk) 05:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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Edits to this page on Anthony (Redacted) Albanese have been repeatedly made by a pro-ALP individual to conceal a fact (Redacted) which has been reported in media sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.122.109 (talk) 21:58, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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hmm, no one's yet talked about Anthony Albanese. This is regarding the article referring to Albanese, as allegedly described by Mark Latham as a "tongue artiste". Is this vandalism? Could someone more familiar with wikipedia and with greater knowledge/authority on the matter please address this issue. DavoBAM (talk) 11:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2019

Change spouse from Carmel Tebbutt to none as reported by many news networks 58.179.71.27 (talk) 07:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 07:51, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. The sources were already in the article. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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Silly editing

How can he be the incumbent Leader if he doesn't take office until 30 May? Constant Pedant (talk) 11:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Labor Right editing Anthony Albanese's page

The Labor Right seems to be trying to edit Anthony Albanese's page citing that Anthony Albanese has a relationship with CFMMEU, which as we now know John Setka the construction union's Victorian boss will be pleading guilty to harassing women (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/no-relationship-albanese-distances-himself-from-cfmmeu-s-john-setka-20190608-p51vst.html) 120.29.48.224 (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Anothony Albanese Picture

Can we please get a better picture for Alabanese? The current one looks nothing like him, and I wouldn't guess it was him based on the image. I know there are problems in trying to use his image from Parliament website, but his current one is outdated and a newer one is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shcmilly (talk • contribs) 11:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Heres a recent video on his official channel that could potentially provide a relatively high quality, recent picture. I'd love to edit it, but my account is too new. I noticed Justin Trudeu's most recent picture comes from a video on his own channel, so I assume the legality regarding using the picture would be simmilar in this case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GVeyvzoQPU Mirak3131 (talk) 11:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Shcmilly, User:Mirak3131, unfortunately Wikipedia only uses freely licensed images for biographies of living people. So that YouTube video would not qualify as it does not specify its copyright status. One way to get a better/newer image or official portrait would be to contact his office and request permission for one to be used, under the procedure outlined here. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 14:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

New image for article

There was discussion last year about finding a better, more recent photo of Albanese. This is a freely licensed image that I took in October that could be used: 20201018 Albanese Council Flat.jpg Ted86 (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with last year's post that the photo looks nothing like him. Yours is definitely a better choice. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 17:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

Category:Australian republicans 112.213.221.91 (talk) 14:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

In "Private life" section, improve style by removing tautological language

Where it refers to the other driver in the car accident: "17-year-old teen" remove the word "teen" 120.17.202.152 (talk) 22:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Seems this has been done now. Endwise (talk) 05:16, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2022

Albanese has voted for a bill that would allow discrimination against transgender discrimination

https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/representatives/grayndler/anthony_albanese/policies/214 Kfj5555555 (talk) 01:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Jodie

Does Jodie deserve her own page or not? Right now there is a link to it that loops back to this page. Of course if the page wasn't LOCKED DOWN I could have fixed it myself.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.225.27 (talk) 22:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2022

For albos postnominal, it should be MP, not PM. Can someone change it to MP please. TheEditorInChiefofAU (talk) 03:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Where exactly are you requesting this change? In the infobox it already shows PM Cannolis (talk) 05:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, look at his postnomial, it says pm. It needs to be changed to MP (the postnomial) TheEditorInChiefofAU (talk) 07:33, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done --Canley (talk) 08:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Major problem with the current Description

So, using “since” in this phrase is I’m sure well-intended, but it just doesn’t work. ‘Since’ is versatile (and therefore complicated). It can be used as an adverb, a conjunction, or a preposition. In this case, it shows as a preposition meaning ‘after’ and that just doesn’t scan. It reads like ‘Australia has had 31 PM’s since 2022’ — obviously not the intent. I’m sorry my edit to ‘elected’ was not satisfactory (and I certainly did not intend to offend), but it’s fine if that’s not good enough: there are lots of ways this could corrected. Just reverting to the prior version, however, leaves it as a bad read — something better needs to be crafted. (This BLP has certainly generated a lot of Talk over the years; now that he’s in the top job, his Article deserves top quality editing.) Left Central (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: My first effort at correcting the grammatical error in the description was wrong. With research, I discovered that we have a standardized WP format for a proper Description here. I just completed going through and adapting the descriptions as needed for all 20 Prime Ministers in our encyclopedia. Left Central (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

FOLLOW-UP — 2 items: 1) The WP standard format for Description for these 20 BLPs is “Prime Minister of [Nation] since [year]”. 2) Nine of the 20 Descriptions were in EXACTLY that format. I corrected the other 11 for WP consistency. All the changes were minor in context (although I rarely designate edits as “m”; that often seems overused). They all include a detailed edit summary.

    Thanks to everyone who works to make our encyclopedia such a wonderful resource!

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2022

During the lead up to the 2022 federal election Anthony appeared on the popular Five Of My Life podcast https://omny.fm/shows/the-five-of-my-life/anthony-albanese during which he stated his most treasured possession was his beloved dog Toto 188.94.80.202 (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Climate change views - no source

In the paragraph describing his views on climate change (fourth paragraph) there is no source saying he does not supportive of enough action to be in line with the Paris agreement, which is disputable to say the least. 218.215.226.53 (talk) 09:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Australia flag

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Australian prime Minister Mr Albanese started his government by adding 2 flags. Indegineous and Torres strait island. Has this been recorded yet? If not can it be and albomp notified. If it has could I be directed to it please 49.185.60.171 (talk) 17:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

He hasn't added anything really. Both those flags have been officially proclaimed flags of Australia for many years now. You can look up each one on Wikipedia. All he did was replace the longstanding tradition of Liberal PMs standing in front of the Australian national flag alone or, more often, several of them, with a Labor PM using the national flag and the two other official flags. It's really nothing more than a matter of style or fashion - one that I thoroughly approve of. HiLo48 (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

First Italian Australian to become prime minister

He isn't exactly Italian, and I can't see a source that says this.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

It's a particularly tenuous claim, seemingly trying to assign American style attributes to an Australian. Yes, his dad was Italian, but wasn't even mentioned on his birth certificate. Double barrelled labels such as Italian Australian are rarely used in Australia. He was born in Sydney. Grew up in Sydney. Pretty sill really. HiLo48 (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The only sources I can find are describing him as the first PM with a non Anglo-Celtic family name and background. "First non-Anglo-Celtic" (referring to cultural background) is probably a better phrase than "First Italian". Catiline52 (talk) 11:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

What exactly is his "background"? He was brought up by his mother in Sydney. What makes him different to Chris Watson?--Jack Upland (talk) 05:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Surname pronunciation: 60 minutes Australia

According to Australian 60 Minutes reporter, Karl Stefanovic, 'Albo's' surname is pronounced phonetically 'AL-BAN-AY-ZAY'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPw4_l18DE Anyone feel inclined to edit the wiki page?

-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.21.173.135 (talk) 01:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Stefanovic is the ultimate source.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

There has been detailed coverage about this elsewhere: he has not pronounced it consistently the same way over his 25 years in politics and has changed the way he pronounces it (including when asked) over time. The anon's suggested pronounciation is nonetheless not one of the more common ones. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Jack. A listen to almost any Australian news broadcast at present will tell you that. Albo is getting a lot of mentions. I'm not a guru on our phonetic spelling conventions, but for a global audience, I would say the second syllable is pronounced the same as the second syllable in Joe Biden, and the next two the same as most people say "easy". HiLo48 (talk) 04:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

For reference, this was the detailed article about the pronounciation I was referring to above. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

OK, Thx. Just wondering as Karl stuck with it during the whole program. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.21.173.135 (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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Arbëreshë heritage

His paternal Surname indicates his father would Be Albanian-Italian. (Arbëreshë people) 144.138.55.211 (talk) 21:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Your source for this? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

A quick search has come up with many references to the Albanese name (meaning 'Albanian'), which is a very common surname in southern Italy. Albanese has a single reference, which is in Italian and the page referenced is not available online. It would be an interesting fact to add to the page, if something more concrete about the name/his ancestry could be found.Siegfried Nugent (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Do we have any sources that actually say this? I don't think making assumptions based on his last name are good enough if this is not actually documented by any sources. Endwise (talk) 01:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I think this is trivia.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, I don't think we can say Albanians are "indigenous" to South Italy.Jack Upland (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Paragraph on election campaign

I propose the addition of the following paragraph about Albanese's first week of campaigning:

The 2022 Australian federal election was called on April 10 2022. Albanese's first week of campaigning was defined by a series of gaffes and mistakes. On the first day of the campaign, Albanese was unable to recall Australia's unemployment or cash rate. On the second day of the campaign, Albanese falsely claimed that he was an economic advisor to former prime minister Bob Hawke, a statement he had to clarify the following day. Albanese was a research officer for labor minister Tom Uren, who was not in Hawke's cabinet and who was not responsible for any of the Hawke government's economic reforms. On the third day of the campaign, Albanese said that his policy to trial Medicare urgent care clinics was fully costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office. He later had to retract this statement, as the $135 million policy had actually not been costed by the PBO. On the fourth day of the campaign, he said that Australia would no longer need offshore detention. He had to clarify this the following day, stating that labor has no plans to wind back offshore detention. This troubled first week of the campaign was described as "poor" by many commentators, and Albanese's competence came under question.

This paragraph contains only factual statements, and every claim is supported by a relevant citation. Please explain what is wrong with this paragraph.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidwah (talk • contribs)

References

Wikipedia articles should be edited from a neutral point of view. This is about as one-sided as you can get – it's not like Albanese is universally derided by the media. Also, this is far too much detail for one week in what will be more than a month campaigning for the upcoming election. Endwise (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The only opinion in the paragraph is the final sentence. The rest of it consists entirely of factual statements, each of which has a citation. The final sentence also has a citation, but i am happy to remove the sentence if it makes you feel more comfortable. Hidwah (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

You want to include "Albanese's first week of campaigning was defined by a series of gaffes and mistakes." Defined? Only by some on the right in the media. (Which sadly in Australia's case is most of it.) That is pure opinion. You're new here. You are making mistakes at many levels. (For example, you did not correctly sign your first comment in this section.) I strongly recommend stepping back for a while and watching how others comment on politics here. HiLo48 (talk) 05:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Even though i'm new to Wikipedia, i can still make edits. Please explain what is wrong with the way i signed my comment. I agree with you that the first sentence could be considered biased. Would it be better if the word "defined" was replaced with "contained"? I don't want this to be hostile, i just want to make constructive improvements to the article. If i am making mistakes with how i'm using wikipedia, please let me know what they are. Hidwah (talk) 05:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm getting sick of this. You are lying. You DO want it to be hostile, to Albanese. That is far more obvious than it should be. Wait, watch and learn. HiLo48 (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

What i have written is factual. This is a revised version, with all potential opinionated statements removed:

The 2022 Australian federal election was called on April 10 2022. Albanese's first week of campaigning contained a number of gaffes and mistakes. On the first day of the campaign, Albanese was unable to recall Australia's unemployment or cash rate. On the second day of the campaign, Albanese falsely claimed that he was an economic advisor to former prime minister Bob Hawke, a statement he had to clarify the following day. Albanese was a research officer for labor minister Tom Uren, who was not in Hawke's cabinet and who was not responsible for any of the Hawke government's economic reforms. On the third day of the campaign, Albanese said that his policy to trial Medicare urgent care clinics was fully costed by the Parliamentary Budget Office. He later had to retract this statement, as the $135 million policy had actually not been costed by the PBO. On the fourth day of the campaign, he said that Australia would no longer need offshore detention. He had to clarify this the following day, stating that labor has no plans to wind back offshore detention.

This version contains no opinions, only facts. I have a citation for every single claim. If you want to add additional facts about his first week, feel free. Hidwah (talk) 06:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Far too many claims. And every single one of them was a negative about Albanese. Did he do nothing right? Your hatred is far to apparent. HiLo48 (talk) 07:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

They aren't claims, they're facts. I see nothing wrong with what i've written. Hidwah (talk) 07:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I repeat, did Albanese do nothing right? And do you EVER read Edit summaries? HiLo48 (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

What edit summaries? Hidwah (talk) 07:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes Albanese has done things right, and there's plenty of information about those things already on the page. You are welcome to add more. I am simply adding information about the widely reported mistakes he made during his first week of campaigning. Hidwah (talk) 07:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes. ONLY the "mistakes". I repeat, did Albanese do nothing right DURING THAT WEEK? HiLo48 (talk) 10:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

He did, but the mistakes came to define the week for him. Every mainstream outlet in Australia came to the conclusion that he made a multitude of mistakes in his first week, and that his campaign got off to a rocky start.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-s-poor-first-week-of-campaigning-raises-big-questions-20220415-p5ado5.html - "he has comprehensively blown the first campaign week."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-15/election-albanese-morrison-tables-turned/100993738 - "Now he has comprehensively blown the first campaign week."

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/blunders-and-gatecrashers-anthony-albanese-and-scott-morrisons-first-week-on-the-campaign-trail/kldi6kwjb - "Opposition leader Anthony Albanese stumbled out of the gates on Monday, floundering over the unemployment rate and the cash rate at his first press conference."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/federal-election-2022-first-week-of-scott-morrison-anthony-albanese-campaign-chris-uhlmann-analysis/489f6059-f7ed-469e-af06-fe04ba1200ce - "certainly the worst start to a campaign I've ever seen"

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/analysis/risky-strategy-brutal-lessons-after-anthony-albaneses-week-from-hell/news-story/6ae56f7d013c26bb35eec404d26b343a - "Anthony Albanese’s week from hell" Hidwah (talk) 10:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

What did Albanese do right during that week? HiLo48 (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

He easily won the debate over a federal anti-corruption commission. Morrison was unable to adequately explain why he hadn't delivered one over the last 3 years. Hidwah (talk) 11:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

None of this is important enough for this article. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Would it not be best to add such info (if it's added) to the 2022 Australian federal election article? GoodDay (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

No inclusion of reference to his iconic high-pitched, low-testosterone lisp accent?

The high-pitched, low-testosterone lisp accent is an integral part of his personal brand and appeal, should this not be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.240.228.252 (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

"No inclusion of reference" says it all really. --Canley (talk) 00:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

His father was Italian. There are more tenor voices among Italians. So the pitch of the voice has nothing to do with anything. I would have preferred the mentioning of his involvement with the Australian-American Leadership Dialogue because that influences politics, especially when someone is in such a high position like PM. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:CDC0:24AB:9963:7B31 (talk) 04:30, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Albanese first divorcee PM

In the personal section, it states he is separated from his wife, and it makes no mention of divorce. Then later it goes on to say he is the first divorcee PM in Australia. The source for the claim is an article that also makes no reference to whether he is divorced or not. So this is a logically inconsistent aspect of the article. I can not edit it myself because it is padlocked ergo controlled by some moderators/superusers. 202.161.101.239 (talk) 10:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

The source says that he is the first PM to be divorced. I think this is trivial, but there it is.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

italian

why he is being refered to as italian if it was concluded that his name means he is ethnically albanian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by T43534534 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

He is NOT described as Italian. Some parts of the article describe him as Italian-Australian, although this is not a commonly used expression in Australia. They do this because his father came from Italy. The Albanian background of his surname is described in detail in the Early life section of the article. HiLo48 (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Parents query

We say: "His parents met in March 1962 on a voyage from Sydney to Southampton, England, ... but did not continue their relationship afterwards, going their separate ways". He was born in March 1963.

How long did a voyage from Sydney to England take in 1962? I'm sure it was much less than three months; but they met a full year before Albo's birth, which would mean an extraordinarily long pregnancy.

Can anyone clarify this? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 12:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thinking this through after a night's sleep.

• Say they met at the end of March 1962.
• Say the voyage took about 6 weeks, which from a google search seems to be a common voyage length if it included stops (eg. Colombo, Bombay, Aden, Capetown).
• And say the conception occurred at the very end of the voyage, around the middle of May 1962.

That still leaves a gestation period of nine and a half months. Not unprecedented, but on the unlikely side of things. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, such a voyage did take six weeks at that time. And I agree with your obstetric calculation. Seems unlikely. Maybe we need to await some in-depth, investigative journalism form the Women's Weekly or similar to clarify this matter. HiLo48 (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's a vague sentence. It doesn't necessarily mean they parted the minute the boat landed. The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Albanese's parents were involved for more than a single voyage, they went back and forth several times - his mother was tagging along with his uncle who was an entertainer on the ship. It's explained in more detail in the Middleton bio, I'll try and add further info at some point. ITBF (talk) 02:15, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Pretty amusing to call it a relationship. 124.170.121.202 (talk) 03:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023

Typo: particulary → particularly 149.86.189.197 (talk) 00:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for picking that up. HiLo48 (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Fiance

He got engaged in February. A the inbox should now be "Fiance". 110.145.11.12 (talk) 13:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

unsourced claim "made major changes to Australian labour law"

this is plainly false, tho you may be able to find a "reliable source" which considers his minor reforms to be major changes. i would be forced to consider this acceptable. 49.178.158.23 (talk) 04:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Anthony Albanese/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: DTH89 (talk · contribs) 06:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 09:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to quickfail this review due to there being cleanup banners from as far back as May 2022. Some comments:

• There is hardly anything on his career between 2013 and 2016.
• The Leader of the Opposition (2019–2022) section could do with some expansion too, as indicated by the cleanup template there.
• Albanese's maternal grandfather George Ellery ran a printing business on William Street in Darlinghurst. He provided printing services to the ALP. It's not clear to me how this is relevant enough to Anthony Albanese to be mentioned on this article.
• As a lifelong supporter of the South Sydney Rabbitohs rugby league club, he... This should change to As a lifelong supporter of the South Sydney Rabbitohs rugby league club, Albanese... At the start of every paragraph, Albanese should be mentioned by name rather than by pronoun.
• helped by a particularly large swing to the party in Western Australia. Why was there a large swing in Western Australia?
• ...the result was also assisted by a number of "teal independents" winning seats from "moderate" Liberal members. This could be reworded. Labor weren't necessarily assisted by the teal independents, since Labor gained a majority in the House of Representatives. Some of the teal independents may have backed the Coalition if no party had a majority. I do still think though that the teal independents are important enough to the 2022 election to mention on this article. I just think this sentence should be reworded.
• Albanese, deputy Labor leader Richard Marles, shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers, and shadow ministers for Foreign Affairs and Finance Senators Penny Wong and Katy Gallagher... I would simplify to Albanese, deputy Labor leader Richard Marles, Jim Chalmers, Penny Wong and Katy Gallagher... It reads awkwardly otherwise, particularly the part about the senators. Their shadow ministries aren't particularly important when they have been sworn in to government.
• According to Australia's ABC News, the Governor-General, David Hurley, would not have sworn in Albanese without assurances that Labor could provide stable government, as well as legal advice that this was the proper course of action. Honestly, this sentence can be completely deleted. It goes without saying that the GG.
• Sometime during his 20s, Albanese also took part in a tour of the United States organised by the State Department... I would say United States Department of State, otherwise a reader may think this is referring to a State Department in Australia.
• There are a bunch of job titles that need to be fixed to conform with MOS:JOBTITLES.
• There is a picture of Albanese meeting with Antony Blinken, but this is not mentioned in prose. Also, Antony Blinken should be linked in the image caption.
• his shadow ministry... The link should be expanded to cover "his" as its not linking to the general concept of shadow ministry, but Albanese's specific shadow ministry.
• unlike his predecessor... I would get rid of this part. It's not immediately clear if this refers to Scott Morrison or Bill Shorten.
• The high interest rates and the Reserve Bank really should be mentioned.
• The new GG, Sam Mostyn should be mentioned.
• with plans to cut the immigration intake in half to 250,000 by June 2025. Is that per year?
• On 13 September 2023, the government passed the Housing Australia Future Fund, a $10 billion fund designed to build 30,000 new social and affordable homes over the following five years. There is no details on this? How does the future fund work?
• No mention of the GST debate, which has put Albanese in a difficult position.
• ...this is Australia's first budget surplus in 15 years... This should be past tense. I noticed there are some other parts of the article that should also be past tense. I recommend going through the whole article to check the tense is correct.
• Tip: When you have an portrait image, you can add "|upright" to the image to make it a more appropriate size. Otherwise the portrait images are a lot larger than the landscape images.

There are probably some more comments I could make, but that's where I want to stop. This articles does need a bit of work until its ready to be nominated again. Steelkamp (talk) 09:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt review. I'll make some changes and re-nominate this article later on. DTH89 (talk · contribs) 10:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox looks weird

Hoping this makes sense - the officeholder infobox across every single page appears to have slightly changed on desktop but in doing so it seems to have made the Anthony Albanese officeholder infobox super wide?

Not sure why and not a major thing but would probably look visually better if that's addressed, hoping other people know what I mean Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually I should clarify, it seems a lot of things have been changed on Wiki overnight

Point stands about the AA infobox being oddly wide though Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 23:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks OK to me.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Huh, it also looks fine to me now

Nevermind then, no issue Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 08:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Qantas corruption allegations

sky news Australia will not shut up about Albanese allegedly using his position to get free first class on Qantas flights.

This is severe corruption if true which it likely is (there are lots published partially which date as far backs as his tenure as transport Minister.) allegedly some bribery in the part of the head of Qantas. 49.3.1.177 (talk) 10:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

i meant to say logs not lots. 49.3.1.177 (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Referral to ICC edit request <semi-protected>

I suggest the following addition in light of Anthony Albanese being the first Western leader to be referred to the ICC as Accessory to Genocide in Gaza.

In July 2024, the Office of the Prosecutor – International Criminal Court (OTP-ICC) accepted an Article 15 Communication by Sydney law firm Birchgrove Legal identifying Anthony Albanese as an accessory to genocide. The communiqué cited the complicity of Albanese and other ministers from the Australian Labor and Liberal parties in the Israeli aggression in Gaza, which has been found to plausibly constitute genocide by the International Court of Justice. Albanese was the first Western leader to be referred to the ICC as an accessory to genocide.

Sources: https://birchgrovelegal.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/ICC-Referral-Australian-Government-Ministers-and-Opposition-Leader-04032024_BLG.pdf

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/genocide-complicity-claim-against-pm-albanese-accepted-icc

https://workersbushtelegraph.com.au/2024/07/18/icc-investigates-australian-government-leaders-complicity-in-genocide/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/australian-pm-icc

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454 Cicle314 (talk) 10:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Being the first at something usually means doing something that stands out ahead of the rest of the field. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Something could probably be included, but without any emphasis on being the first. HiLo48 (talk) 05:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

WorkersBushTelegraph (run by Karen Brewer I believe) and Socialist Alliance's Green Left Weekly? Some amazingly reliable sources. Not. TarnishedPath^talk 10:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Not happy with the sources regarding the acceptance of the evidence? Then use this one instead: https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/genocide-complicity-claim-against-australian-pm-added-to-the-iccs-palestine-investigation/

It is factual that he was the first; I don't see why it shouldn't be included. It doesn't need to be foregrounded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicle314 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It's simply not significant that he was the first. Even mentioning it could imply to some readers that his actions were worse than those of everyone else. Do we actually know how he came to be the first? HiLo48 (talk) 23:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I assume it is because the law firm that referred him was the first law firm in a Western country to do so. Regardless, whether or not we can reach a consensus about the relevance of him being the first, the fact of his referral and the acceptance of that referral into evidence by the ICC nevertheless stands. So, I hope to see this added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicle314 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That source is clearly a blog (it's in the URL). Please refer to WP:BLPSPS. TarnishedPath^talk 02:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, you didn't accept the earlier articles because they were from sources you deemed 'unreliable', although you didn't provide any evidence for why these particular news outlets are 'unreliable'. I am forced to conclude it is because they are 'leftist'. In fact, I have the transcript of the email correspondence from the ICC to Birchgrove Legal sitting in front of me; it was emailed to me by Birchgrove legal upon request. So I now have the primary source material. I don't propose to cite the email; it is unpublished. I merely propose to go ahead with the citation of the media I linked above (not the blog post). The Green Left is listed on Wikipedia as an Australian newspaper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Left_(Australian_newspaper)) and so I do not see the basis on which you doubt it, unless you do so in bad faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicle314 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Daily Mail is listed as a newspaper also and it is clearly unreliable. If you want to raise the question of whether Green Left Weekly is reliable with the community you can bring it up at WP:RS/N. TarnishedPath^talk 23:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

But what does this referral (or whatever it is) ultimately mean? It seems highly unlikely to me that it will end up with any prosecution against Albanese, or that there will be any other formal negative result. This is a political stunt, not something we should be giving weight to in our article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Comrade Prime Minister

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A newly released book suggests that Albanese may not have Australian interests at heart. It outlines his 40 years association with the Communists. Some of his MPs gain mention also. Book title is the same as heading. 2001:8003:709F:2800:690E:5548:D27C:282B (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Lead section is too long

The lead is far too long and contains information which if the reader were concerned could easily read below under the respective headings.

See here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section Greenpark79 (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I fully agree. I just deleted the second paragraph. Feel free to delete more such unnecessary content. HiLo48 (talk) 05:38, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2025

The sentence about his parents is ambiguously structured and sounds like he was raised “as a single parent” by both parents, rather than raised by a single parent, his mother. Obviously it’s clear from context but it parses weirdly. Suggest changing to : “Albanese was born in Sydney to an Italian father and an Irish-Australian mother. His mother, a single parent, raised him.” 84.90.78.189 (talk) 01:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't see the problem.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@HiLo48 has edited the sentence at Special:Diff/1278893244. For any further changes please obtain consensus. TarnishedPath^talk 23:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Geezus, there was nothing controversial about my edit!!!! HiLo48 (talk) 05:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I didn't mean to intend that there was. TarnishedPath^talk 05:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Edit request small typo

Small typo under 2025 federal election section,

Labor's campaign, announcing flagship policies to aid first home-buyers by allowing them to buy a house with a 5 percent deposist and build 100,000 homes exclusively for first-time home purchasers.

Should be deposit, sorry I can't change it myself Zulby (talk) 04:06, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 22:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2025

Under "Personal life" in the second paragraph, I suggest changing

"Albanese describes himself as "half-Italian and half-Irish"[331] and a "non-practising Catholic".[332]"

to

"Albanese describes himself as "half-Italian and half-Irish"[331] and a "flawed Catholic".[xxx]"

Sources: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/mass-appeal-anthony-albaneses-quiet-journey-back-to-the-catholic-church/news-story/bfac8a6c025183ba2c4bf560cc1b3920

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/how-albaneses-late-mother-and-the-pope-led-him-back-to-the-church/news-story/6b6d10815fc73fb2ac44fbc9ad653b00 Thomasp001 (talk) 07:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. TarnishedPath^talk 00:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Edit request: sentence structure

Under the international affairs subheading (in the PM of Australia section) this sentence could be better: The relationship between Australia and China started to improve since Albanese became prime minister.

I suggest changing it to either: The relationship between Australia and China started to improve once Albanese became prime minister.

or: The relationship between Australia and China has started to improve since Albanese became prime minister. Rinzenn (talk) 09:31, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Yep can do Pikachubob3 (talk) 08:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2025

Minor spelling error in the article:

" He particpated in a Sky News debate against Opposition Leader..." Particpated -> Participated 184.67.49.94 (talk) 16:55, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing out the problem. HiLo48 (talk) 01:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

ok 203.37.252.178 (talk) 04:47, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism Notice

A commons IP user 203.30.4.22 keeps editing the description of Albanese's portrait to say nasty things. Ye who watch this page be aware. anchovy ^TALK⁄_CONT 04:27, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

I have had the file Semi-protected by a Commons admin, hopefully there will be no more transgressions. anchovy ^TALK⁄_CONT 06:32, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

@Anchovyx, appreciated. TarnishedPath^talk 07:17, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

MOS:EASTEREGG

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"In his first term, Albanese led his government's". Link "his government" to Albanese government rather than government. 103.87.254.62 (talk) 02:57, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

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First PM with a non-Anglo surname

After his election, the media emphasised that he was the first Prime Minister with a non-Anglo-Celtic surname and heritage, and that this sent a message to multicultural Australia that you can achieve anything in this country. Could this be added to the article using reliable sources?
Anthony Albanese is Australia’s first PM with a non-Anglo surname. So how do you pronounce it? – The Guardian
'Great multicultural society': Anthony Albanese to be first Australian PM with non-Anglo-Celtic heritage – SBS
Anthony Albanese's rise from humble beginnings to the prime ministership – ABC News
Albanese is Italian? That’s not diversity – The Sydney Morning Herald

Maybe. But I truly doubt if any Australians with Italian backgrounds would have felt there was a barrier of any kind there before. And I'm not sure where it would fit into the article. A new section called Silly trivia? HiLo48 (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Well, he doesn't really have Italian background. He wasn't brought up knowing his father. I would not include this.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Bias

Why does the article seem to tout him as being popular and well-liked when polling indicates otherwise? Schestos (talk) 02:48, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Which polling are you referring to? The most recent opinion polling (shown at Opinion polling for the next Australian federal election) has him ahead as preferred PM, he has had net positive satisfaction at every opinion poll since the election (and it was in the double digits in May-June), and in the two-party preferred Labor is hugely ahead of the coalition. He also just won a significant landslide victory which I would argue is a form of endorsement by the electorate? GraziePrego (talk) 03:27, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it obviously is. I see anti-Labor complaints becoming louder, but not from more people. Labor winning yesterday's by-election in NSW is bit of sign too. Schestos - You must show us that polling, in context, comparing it with other PMs at similar stages of their political lives. Right now, with no evidence having actually been provided, I don't believe that bias tag should be on the article. HiLo48 (talk) 03:38, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Yesterday's by-election was in a traditionally Labor seat. Schestos (talk) 08:44, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

That's just false! The previous member, Gareth Ward, was elected as a Liberal Party candidate in 2011, he maintained that status until 2021, when he stood and held the seat as an independent. HiLo48 (talk) 09:18, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Prior to that the Liberal Party had never won a seat called Kiama. They'd won seats that include Kiama but not the seat of Kiama itself. Also, why are we talking about a state by-election on an article about the Prime Minister who is a federal politician? Schestos (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I went back 14 years. How far back is "traditionally"? HiLo48 (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Well Ward is the only Liberal to have ever held Kiama. He held it from 2011 until 2025. So pre-2011 it was a Labor seat. Schestos (talk) 02:04, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Given inevitably changing demographics, 14 years is a long time in politics. HiLo48 (talk) 04:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I added like five sources stating his polling was low before the election. Election analysts agree that Labor won not because of their popularity but rather the opposition's unpopularity. Schestos (talk) 08:43, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I’m not sure that second part is true, and besides Australia operates in a preferential system anyway, so the two are sort of the same thing.

I’m also not sure what “low” polling is. I would consider low popularity to be about 20% popularity. GraziePrego (talk) 10:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

So basically every PM ever is popular? And yes I know how our electoral system works. Schestos (talk) 11:01, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

What are examples of things you think should be changed?--Jack Upland (talk) 03:16, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Again the lead section. It should note criticisms as well as praises, not just praises. Schestos (talk) 04:32, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Such as? Note that all content must be supported by reliable sources, and not be simply utterly predictable comments from opponents. HiLo48 (talk) 04:42, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Once again I have four or five sources about polling which were removed. Schestos (talk) 04:43, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I know nothing about sources being removed. That's not a useful contribution to discussion. HiLo48 (talk) 04:46, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Well it is, because it's partly why I made this discussion. I'm well aware you are to the left however. Schestos (talk) 04:48, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I am not the topic. That's also not a useful contribution to discussion. HiLo48 (talk) 05:05, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

It would be very helpful for this discussion if you link the sources here. GraziePrego (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Check the revision history. Schestos (talk) 05:49, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Incomplete wording about divorce.

More accurately, it's not even mentioned. The Personal life section says he "married Carmel Tebbutt" in 2000, then that they "separated in January 2019". Then it talks about his relationship with Jodie Haydon and their 2025 marriage. Presumably he and Tebbutt formally divorced at some stage. It's a significant gap in the article. HiLo48 (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Lead portrait?

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  1 (current)
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  2
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  3

The current lead image (1) is outdated by three years and fails MOS:LEADIMAGE because of it: readers expect to see a recent image of what Albanese actually looks like, not an official portrait of three years ago. People age, and Wikipedia should occasionally update its lead images to reflect that and ensure they are recognizeable. I suggest the lead image (which does not have to be an official portrait) be changed – my own preference is (2), cropped from a G7 summit this year. (3) is also from this year and is an alternative, though the lighting is rather harsh. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 20:40, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't see how the current image fails MOS:LEADIMAGE. It is the highest quality image as official portraits often are. We should continue using the current image, i.e., 1. TarnishedPath^talk 00:13, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

I agree. Keep image 1.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:13, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Foreign Affairs section about Bondi shooting appears to be copied

The last two paragraphs of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese#Foreign_affairs_2 do not belong there. They also appear to be copied from elsewhere, as they include copied citations which don't apply to this page. The first of the two paragraphs also jumps straight into it with no context. ~2025-42421-19 (talk) 01:56, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Incorrect Date

the caption under the photo with albanese and takaichi in the prime minister section has the incorrect year Sutra666 (talk) 05:30, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

 Done Umby 🌕🐶 (talk) 05:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

You need to fix the grammar in the opening sentence.

Currently it is ambiguous. Is he "the 31st prime minister of AU since the office was founded and he took office in 2022" or is he "the 31st prime minister AU has had since the start of 2022" ~2026-20266-69 (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Other Prime Ministers' articles use the same format of opening paragraph, such as Scott Morrison, so if those are ambiguous it is easier if you send a message to WikiProject Australian politics so we can change a convention that has been applied broadly. Personally, I would argue that it is not ambiguous as it is simple, clear and consistent language that readers can easily understand. For reference, the latter part of your question is correct. Qwerty123M (talk) 20:41, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

The Scott Morrison article is not ambiguous because it is from date to date instead of since date, there is only one way to interpret the from grammar but there are the two ways to interpret the since grammar. ~2026-20266-69 (talk) 21:58, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

What would you prefer the text be changed to?

You are overthinking this whole situation, blowing it up into more of a problem than it really is.

This text is not ambiguous because the infobox says that there is a predecessor, meaning Albanese is not the only Prime Minister. The link is also useful because that will tell you the office was created more than a century ago. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Bondi criticisms

The criticisms of Albo after the Bondi shootings don't tell us anything about him. I propose removing them. HiLo48 (talk) 04:35, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

I agree. At present there's no long term significance. They would obviously change if the government lost the next election and secondary sources referenced the shooting as a catalyst for a change in the mood of the electorate. TarnishedPath^talk 12:02, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

When’s the last time we have seen a national push of this scale? It is inappropriate to attempt to minimize the bad PR of the Bondi shooting if we want to seem objective.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/a-national-crisis-scores-of-business-leaders-unite-to-back-bondi-royal-commission-20260101-p5nr3l.html RationalFactor (talk) 02:08, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

That's just evidence that The Age is now part of Nine Entertainment, our latest huge concentration of right wing media. HiLo48 (talk) 02:37, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Just wanted you to write it down. RationalFactor (talk) 02:41, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Note Albanese is in opposition to the national inquiry. RationalFactor (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Noted. And? HiLo48 (talk) 02:37, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

The Bondi shooting and the following policy decisions should be mentioned, especially if sources have mentioned it because as per WP:NPOV, we must cover all viewpoints that are reliably sourced. Qwerty123M (talk) 22:15, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Referendum bias

Within the third paragraph after the opening statement it is stated that in Alabaneses first term that he "held an unsuccessful referendum to enshrine an Indigenous Voice to Parliament in the Constitution"

Unsuccessful to whom? It wasn't unsuccessful to the majority who voted against it. ~2026-30642-08 (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

The lead is currently 676 words in length. That is way too long. MOS:LEADLENGTH states "Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads in most featured articles contain about 250 to 400 words". I'd suggest that we need to shorten the lead by about half and the referrendeum isn't something that I would think should be there. TarnishedPath^talk 23:21, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

As per my comment directly above, I propose the following reduced lead which is more directly compliant with MOS:LEAD:

Anthony Norman Albanese (born 2 March 1963) is an Australian politician serving as the 31st prime minister of Australia since 2022. He has been leader of the Australian Labor Party (ALP) since 2019 and the member of parliament (MP) for the New South Wales division of Grayndler since 1996. He led Labor to victory at the 2022 federal election and to re-election in a landslide at the 2025 election.

Born in Sydney, Albanese studied economics at the University of Sydney, where he joined the Labor Party. He worked as a party official and adviser before entering the House of Representatives in 1996. Appointed to the shadow cabinet in 2001, he rose to become Manager of Opposition Business in 2006. Following Labor’s victory at the 2007 election, he served in the Rudd and Gillard governments as Leader of the House and Minister for Infrastructure and Transport, as well as Minister for Regional Development and Local Government. After supporting Kevin Rudd’s successful leadership challenge in 2013, he was elected deputy leader of the Labor Party and served briefly as deputy prime minister before Labor’s defeat at the 2013 election.

Albanese later became leader of the Labor Party unopposed after its defeat at the 2019 election, serving as Leader of the Opposition until 2022. As prime minister, he has overseen policies addressing cost-of-living pressures, climate change and energy transition, economic and industrial reform and government integrity. In foreign affairs, his government has sought to strengthen regional partnerships, support Ukraine, stabilise relations with China, and advance the AUKUS security partnership.

Despite longstanding alignment with the Labor Left faction, Albanese has been noted for shifting the party towards the political centre during his tenure as prime minister.

Thoughts anyone? TarnishedPath^talk 23:35, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Let’s. It forget his grandfather sold fake prescription drugs to dying Australians for the labor party. ~2026-31037-57 (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

To be honest, the whole article needs to be trimmed/better summarised, especially considering we have articles on Albanese government, 47th Parliament of Australia, etc and this article is comming in at a whopping 298,226 bytes in length. However, I don't know if I have the energy to undertake such a task. I'll see if anyone else responds by this evening and if not I'll go ahead and boldly trim the lead. TarnishedPath^talk 00:10, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Support: Material seems to contain a lack of bias and is short but contains crucial information to understand Albanese. I'm uneasy about deleting a lot of this content but it can be found in later sections. Qwerty123M (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to implement the above shortly. For anyone interested, refer to MOS:LEADLENGTH and WP:SIZERULE for guidance on lead and article sizes respectively. For reference, prior to me adjusting the lead shortly, the lead is currently 676 words in length and the article is currently 9,907 words in readable prose. TarnishedPath^talk 07:50, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

I've just realised that I'm not able to implement the above, as there is something in the lead that I'm not permitted to touch. TarnishedPath^talk 07:57, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't have an issue with the lead length per se, four paragraphs and an intro is not out of the ordinary for a national leader. However the current lede lacks coherence and could certainly be trimmed; it is a bit waffly and there are a lot of vague statements. I think your proposed lede is too short and needs a bit more coverage of his prime ministership. I would avoid the phrasing "rose to become Manager of Opposition Business in 2006"; this is a minor procedural role that does not need to be emphasised. I T B F 📢 09:56, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

I think your suggestion is quite a short lead for a prime minister serving multiple terms of government. Compare the leads of for example Joe Biden and Donald Trump (obviously more notable people but you get the point). I think you'd want to shoot for at least 400+. Also, if you wanted to trim material about his first term I wouldn't be reaching for the referendum first; that is definitely one of the more noteworthy things. I'd be more willing to trim other more commonplace things like supporting Ukraine, tweaking IR laws, "navigated Australia's response to the Gaza war" (that doesn't really mean much?), etc.

In regards to the original complaint here: the referendum did not succeed, the people rejected it. That is, the referendum was unsuccessful. I'm not sure what other adjective you could use. Endwise (talk) 09:58, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

The people in this country routinely reject referendums. Since federation we've had 44 referendums and only 8 have succeeded. The one on the voice failing is hardly unusual enough to warrant it being in the lead. That's my thinking anyway. TarnishedPath^talk 10:02, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

It and dominated national politics for a year, and I have seen it argued that its failure is important in understanding Albanese's political position since. I think that should stay, although I agree with your removal of many of the other tidbits. In terms of phrasing, perhaps it would be better to say the referendum was 'defeated' rather than 'unsuccessful' on POV grounds. Similarly, I would lean away from saying that his domestic policies are 'addressing' certain issues, as that carries a value-judgement. Perhaps we could say that they are 'aimed at' addressing those issues. Riposte97 (talk) 00:14, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

In fact, I'd be interested in workshopping that part of your suggestion more substantially to include how RS cover his government's policies, not merely the policy areas they notionally address.
E.g. Albanese later became leader of the Labor Party unopposed after its defeat at the 2019 election, serving as Leader of the Opposition until 2022. As prime minister, he has pursued domestic policies aimed at addressing the rising cost of living and anti-corruption. His government is implementing an industrial policy which focuses on clean energy and domestic manufacturing. It also announced a major overhaul of the tax system, attracting criticism for its changes to the capital gains tax. In foreign affairs, his government has continued the longstanding bipartisan policies of strengthening bilateral relations in the Indo-Pacific, supporting Ukraine, stabilising Australia's relationship with China, and advancing the AUKUS security partnership.
I note that the 2026-27 Budget reforms do not appear in the article body, and will try to add something later today. Riposte97 (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

When adding to the body, just be mindful that we already have a lengthy article (9,907 words when I checked yesterday) that can do with some trimming, better summarisation and if you see upportunities to do so I'd encourage you to take them up. TarnishedPath^talk 00:43, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Agreed. Riposte97 (talk) 00:52, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Ps, I don't see a why we would want 400+ words for the lead when our MOS recommends between 250-400. What I proposed above is just above 250, because I think it better to go to the lower end given that these things tend to grow over time as more events occur. I'm certainly open to suggestions if people think there are parts of what I prosed that could be removed and what would go in instead (as ITBF did above). TarnishedPath^talk 10:06, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

"Albo"

Should his nickname be included in the first line? I note that it is often used by national media sources to refer to him. Anthony Norman "Albo" Albanese... Riposte97 (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm going to make this change pending challenge. Riposte97 (talk) 08:06, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

@Riposte97, MOS:NICKNAME suggests we shouldn't put in people's nicknames where they are a '"common" hypocorism'. In this case the transforming of Albanese to Albo follows a very common Australian pattern of shortening names and adding an -o suffix at the end. TarnishedPath^talk 09:28, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Wasn't aware of that. Riposte97 (talk) 09:47, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Neither was I until I saw someone else removing a nickname of that nature. I think it might have been this article. TarnishedPath^talk 09:55, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that Albo is a hypcorism. It is a very common name for the man in Australia, affectionately, neutrally and by his detractors, although some of the latter seem to prefer other corruptions of his name, such as Albosleazy. "Albo" is universally understood by all Australians and is already a redirect to this article. It's what I use when I want to find this article. The main challenge is finding a source that explicitly says it is his nickname. There are dozens (probably hundreds) of examples of it being used, but I don't like that kind of source. HiLo48 (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Per Google a hypocorism is a term of endearment, pet name, or affectionate nickname. TarnishedPath^talk 00:03, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Yes. But my point is that Albo is much more than a hypocorism. Even people who hate him call him Albo. It's definitely his nickname. HiLo48 (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I think that Albo himself has embraced the nickname speaks for itself. That people who hate him also use it is beside the point. TarnishedPath^talk 01:44, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

That people who hate him also use it shows that's it's not just a hypocorism, so we can use it too. HiLo48 (talk) 02:18, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

the MOS doesn't state ... and it is not just a hypocorism ... (bolding for emphasis), it states "... and it is not a common hypocorism ..."

Guidelines can be gone against, but I we need a stronger reason than people who disliking him also using the nickname. Anyone could have a good guess what his nickname might be without knowing anything about him. TarnishedPath^talk 05:52, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Can I express a little frustration here? He has a nickname. Everyone in Australia knows what it is. But we are prevented by policy from telling Wikipedia readers the world over what it is. Do I have that right? ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I think the intent of the guideline is that we don't include nicknames they are something that someone might easily guess. MOS:NICKNAME gives a few examples of where they are included because the nicknames are ones that you wouldn't easily guess unless you had knowledge of the subject. Above you've stated that we should include because people who like and don't like Albo both use the nickname, I don't think that factors into the reasoning. TarnishedPath^talk 09:25, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I DID NOT say that we should include because people who like and don't like Albo both use the nickname. HiLo48 (talk) 04:37, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you. TarnishedPath^talk 07:07, 30 May 2026 (UTC)