Talk:Manshiya
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Wrong name: MANSHIYA!
[edit]Menashiya is hardly used, maybe it's a conflation of the Arabic name with a Hebrew one (Menasheh), but for an Arab neighbourhood we have no reason to use a rare Hebrew variation. I wasn't at all familiar with "Menashiya" and so I googled for
"Menashiya" "Jaffa"
and then for
"Manshiya" "Jaffa"
and
"Menashiyya" "Jaffa"
Sure enough, (b)+(c) are more than 5 times as frequent as (a). This on top of what I knew, not as a starting point. I smell a post-mortem "hebrefication" of a long-gone city quarter. Prove me wrong, or please modify the name. Thanks, ArmindenArminden (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- I suspect you are correct. I propose we rename it but to what? I see Manshiyeh a lot, also Menshiyeh and Menshiye. Zerotalk 01:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Manshiya. The tendency is to drop the final h and replace e with a. More so in Jordan than I/P, but if that's the tendency, let's go with it. That is what I know. I personally like Manshiyeh best, but that has no bearing. Now I googled for all combinations {"M..." "Jaffa"}, using quotation marks, and again, Manshiya leads (9k) vs. Manshiyya (4k) with none of the others even coming close. This "iyy" is clearly an exaggeration and is going out of fashion in other names, too. You can challenge both approaches, but together I think they give the answer. ArmindenArminden (talk) 11:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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The discussion re. the meaning of Manshiya and how best to spell it is stretched over 3 discussion pages:
- this one
- Talk:Al-Manshiyya, Tulkarm
- Talk:Al-Manshiyya, Tiberias#This article is wrong A to Z; consider deletion
This doesn't help with reaching a concerted decision. Either we move it all to one place, or at least we should interlink & be aware of the other 2 pages. Arminden (talk) 20:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
1948 war section
[edit]@Zero0000: I see that you know Bell's book. I only read what I could access online, and from that the starting pages of the relevant section are missing. We now have two paragraphs on the 1948 war. I cannot tell if the first paragraph is covered by Bell, or if it's totally unsourced. If you know the answer to that, please do add after that paragraph - either the proper reference, or a "citation needed" tag. I guess it must be Bell, but I can't tell, nor can I guess the page number. Thanks. Arminden (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Bell's book was one of the first I ever read on the P/I conflict, but it was only after I read a lot of academic literature that I realised that Bell's book is not terribly reliable. There are quite a lot of better sources available on this topic. One of the best is Itamar Radai, Palestinians in Jerusalem and Jaffa, 1948. I'll try to do something but I'm fiendishly busy at the moment. Zerotalk 03:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Destruction in 1948
[edit]According to a source I see in the Hebrew Wikipedia, most of the damage done there was not in the war in December 1947 - May 1948. Rather, in active demolition by the mayor of Tel Aviv in August 1948 - January 1949. Source: (Hebrew)
So I would like to add to the beginning of the section Israel:
Most of the houses in Manshiya were left undamaged after the war. However, in August 1948 to January 1949, the mayor of Tel Aviv (at the time Jaffa was not yet merged into Tel-Aviv-Jaffa) demolished many houses there[1].
Tzafrir (talk) 14:27, 24 October 2025 (UTC) Tzafrir (talk) 14:27, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- I have a good English source and will study it first. The story, as always, is more complicated. Zerotalk 00:24, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Lede change
[edit]From "...was a residential neighbourhood of Jaffa in Mandatory Palestine." to "...was a residential neighbourhood of Jaffa in Palestine."
There was no mandatory Palestine in the 1870s when the neighbourhood was founded. It was Palestine before the British Mandate, it was still Palestine during the British mandate, and it's still Palestine today. Lafi90 (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2026 (UTC)