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I genuinely want to become a much better person

I need help ~2026-40328-68 (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not therapy. If you feel you have a genuine problem, please reach out to a therapist. This is the Teahouse, where volunteers answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Cheers, 𝔰𝔥𝔞𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔱𝔞𝔯 ^{(𝔱𝔞𝔩𝔨)} (any/all) In solidarity. 09:40, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello there,

This is the Wikipedia teahouse, where you ask questions about help with Wikipedia. If there is a genuine problem you’re having, I sincerely hope it will get better soon and I wish you the best of luck. If you have a question about editing Wikipedia, you’re free to ask here.

Happy editing! Agar!! - Talk with me, im sad and lonely :( 00:20, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-40328-68 It seems like you have posted this more than once recently, but I could be wrong. Unfortunately, this is not the place to get help being a better person. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

I feel like this is user ~2026-38996-08 who got blocked for disruptive editing, as that editor posted the same thing. Please do not vandalize on Wikipedia. SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 22:22, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Are you sure ? i don't think so someone would have time to do that is this economy. Gyror (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

A biography

I am trying to do something which should surely be simple enough, but is defeating me.

I am a former British Ambassador to Sweden and High Commissioner to Canada. Nearly all the recent holders of those posts have Wikipedia entries, but I do not.

I tried to rectify this by submitting a factual and uncontroversial account of my career, but the draft was turned down because the citations I had found relied on Wikipedia (eg my name on the list of High Commissioners to Canada on Wikipedia, etc). I now understand why that cannot be accepted, as it is self-referential.

I asked an AI to help, NOT in drafting the article - which is only a list of facts in any case - but in finding independent sources and turning the draft into the right format. I can attest that there are no ‘hallucinations’. The assertions are all factually accurate. But the draft was ‘speedily deleted’ because I used AI to reduce the drudgery of finding independent references to validate the various assertions. Surely this is a sensible use of AI?

How would you advise that I should proceed, without spending hours and hours learning the complexities of Wikipedia editing? Who has generated the entries for other retired (and serving) diplomats? Thanks. Candide2727 (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

If you don't enjoy writing on wikipedia, you shouldn't write on wikipedia. Why are you bothered by the absence of an article about yourself? This essay may be worth reading if you haven't already: An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gebble (talk) 16:28, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

Writing about yourself is the most difficult thing to do on Wikipedia, and is strongly discouraged. It requires you to completely ignore your own knowledge. Imagine that I have never heard of you, have been given nothing but your name and your date of birth, and I go and search for reliable public sources of information. Your ability to convincingly pretend to be me in that scenario (i.e. steadfastly ignoring all the true information not easily found by a random person) is probably not as good as you'd estimate.

For a person, frankly, the best way to have a Wikipedia article is for a random person to write it after you've already died. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:34, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't believe you are notable. You do not gain presumptive NPOL notability because of NAMBASSADOR, which means you notability must be proven on its own merits. After some research, I cannot find enough sources to prove your notability. It is unlikely, no matter how long you spend on this, for an article on you to be published. The only non-primary source I could find on you was an article by The Times. This was the reason you are one of the only High Commissioners without an article. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

When an individual writes about themselves, they have a very strong tendency to "set the record straight", both for controversial issues and for missing or incorrect details. Wikipedia specifically rejects this approach, except when fixing minor details that won't affect public perception. "Exactly what the record says, without setting it straight". TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:46, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

@Candide2727 I used AI to reduce the drudgery of finding independent references to validate the various assertions. The problem is you've got the whole idea backward. A Wikipedia article is a summary of the information available in the sources. We don't make "assertions" and then find sources to "validate" them - we find sources and then summarise the information they contain.

This is universally the #1 thing that people trying to write articles about themselves or the things they're affiliated with get wrong; because the instinct is obviously to write down everything you know about yourself/the topic, then find sources because the rules tell you you have to. It is nearly impossible for people like yourself to ignore the compulsion to fill out the article with additional information not available in good, published sources. Athanelar (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

That model of article-writing is wonderful when you're trying to write a long article. I'm also fond of the more colorfully named Wikipedia:Amnesia test, which is more specific to questions of whether a separate, stand-alone article should be created. However, when you're really just trying to write a few basic sentences about a subject you already know quite a lot about, then it's really not necessary. Almost every biography opens with "____ was a [nationality] [occupation]". The article then normally proceeds through the ordinary, policy-approved basic facts, e.g., the next section saying something about which country the person was born in and what kind of education they had. Most brief Wikipedia articles can be constructed "forwards" or "backwards" and still end up being a summary of the source-able information. And it's that end product, rather than the process, that matters. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

When a person writes about themselves, they may say it will be "just a few basic sentences", but that's usually not at all how it turns out. I think the "don't write backwards" caution is highly suited to an individual's autobiography (especially the idea of refusing to consider anything that isn't already printed in the sources). TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 02:43, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Anthony, you write on your userpage that My wife was annoyed to discover that I seem to be the only one in recent years without a Wikipedia entry but in response to another editor disputing your notability you add It seems odd that the value of a diplomatic career should be measured by media coverage, since it is mostly happening below the radar. The presence or absence of a wikipedia article is not a statement of value of the subject. I think you should assure your wife that it's a good thing that you've done nothing worth writing about in an encyclopedia, because, as you say, if you do your job correctly, everything remains under the radar. If it's any consolation, I'd wager that other names who have shared your post probably are not notable either. Plenty of extremely effective teachers, scientists, and diplomats do important, laudatory work that does not receive coverage. Just because they lack Wikipedia articles doesn't mean their careers are without value. Wikipedia is not your resume and the absence of an article about you does not mean you've accomplished nothing important in your career. Gebble (talk) 21:50, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

i belive that you should have a friend write it. they know more about you than you might think. Anyways, congrats for holding those high positions., Gyror (talk) 15:35, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

The biggest issue is still notability. Having a friend write the article won't magically manifest independent reliable sources. Gebble (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

There's also the COI editing the hypothetical friend would be engaging in; although it isn't prohibited, it's strongly discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:21, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Adding/editing a maintenance template?

I wanted to add to the Dahara Vidya page some signal to other editors that this page has very few reliable citations and some borderline original research (much of the cited material is primary sources). I saw there is already a template about jargon, but I think it should include signals of the sources needing to be reevaluated. What's the best way to do that? Oraclesto (talk) 18:34, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

You probably need the "More citations needed" template. The "Original research" template also exists, but it's for when the original research is obvious and prevalent. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:19, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

@Oraclesto: Welcome to The Teahouse. You mentioned that much of the cited material is primary sources. In that case, I suggest you might want to consider using the {{primary sources}} template.
If you go down to the bottom of that page, you will see a navbox list of citation and reliability maintenance-related templates that might also work for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:14, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Very helpful, thanks so much! Oraclesto (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

One follow up question: how can I stack the issues so that it lists several problems within one maintenance template, instead of adding another template below the existing one? Oraclesto (talk) 03:13, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

so theres an easy and a hard way to do that. which one is which honestly depends on your computer skills. if you want to make it automated and are ok with a little very easy setup, you can use a tool called twinkle, which has a ton of great tools including a way to easily put on maintenance templates without finding their names every time. to use twinkle, just turn it on in the gadgets section of your settings- assuming you are on desktop. then you will get access to a whole bunch of tools. the relevant one is documented here Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Tag

if youre not the type to like automation and would rather just do it by hand, the template for multiple issues is here. the text is

{{Multiple issues|section=|

{{Issue 1}}

{{Issue 2}}

{{Issue 3}}

}}

with the issue bits replaced with appropriate maintenance template names. you can use as many or as few as are appropriate, just get rid of the placeholders you dont use. Jackjd0 (talk) 03:35, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Missing reference / wanting to add more articles

Emeryville mudflat sculptures I am looking at the article on the Emeryville mudflat sculptures and noticed that one of the early artists mentioned in the article has several published sources that are not currently included as references. May I add those citations to the existing article? I have also found some relevant newspaper articles that are not available online (only in newspaper archives or as scans). What is the recommended way to cite or add these sources? For transparency, I should mention that I am related to Wayne Saxton, the person discussed in these sources. ~2026-41011-95 (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-41011-95, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you are related to Saxton, you probably have a conflict of interest, and so should use the edit request wizard rather than editing the article directly.

Offline sources may be cited: see WP:REFB for how.

What would be your purpose in adding these?

Generally, the purpose of citing a reference is to provide a verification for a something claimed in the Wikipedia article; and mostly the claim should relate to the subject of the article, not to anything else.

So if there is a claim about Saxton in connection with the mudflat sculptures that is not supported by a citation, it would be good to add a citation if you have one. Similarly, if you are suggesting adding information about Saxton in connection with the mudflat sculptures. But if you have found some sources about your relative that don't relate to the mudflat sculptures, then the question arises whether they belong in that article at all. ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. My purpose is to improve the sourcing of the verification and historical coverage of the Emeryville mudflats.

I have found reliable contemporary sources documenting Wayne Saxton's role and the attention his work received. Some of these sources are already in the list of references but are not cited in the list of artists, while others do not appear to be reflected in the article at all.I understand the conflict-of-interest guidance and will use the edit request process rather than editing the article directly. ~2026-41011-95 (talk) 09:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

help submitting draft for gabi glitta

Draft

Gabi Glitta Gabi Glitta is the stage name of Australian-American media personality and rapper Gabrielle Rose Grecko (born June 5, 1989).

=== Career === Grecko first announced her rebrand to "Gabi Glitta" in August 2017, ahead of her planned rap debut. In 2025, the Herald Sun reported that Edelsten’s widow had launched a career in the music industry as a rapper, with an EP titled GABI GLITTA.

Grecko operates the Instagram account @gabi_glitta, where she posted about the Herald Sun coverage in February 2025.

<code>=== Personal life === Gabi Glitta is the former wife of Australian businessman Geoffrey Edelsten. She was previously known professionally as Gabi Grecko.

<code>=== References ===

References

Sources:

1. Nine.com.au, 21 August 2017, "Gabi Grecko reinvents herself as Gabi Glitta in preparation for her rap debut"
2. Herald Sun, 2025, "Gabi a rapper? It's all Grecko to me – Edelsten’s widow reveals guilt of final days as she launches career in music industry"

-- ~2026-41380-91 (talk) 06:30, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Please see WP:YFA and WP:AFC. WP:NMUSICIAN is also important. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:59, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

> "Thanks Andy. Per WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN, I have significant coverage:

> 1. Sydney Morning Herald, 2017 - Debut single Call My Bluff + interview

> 2. Nine.com.au, Aug 22 2017 - Rap debut as Gabi Glitta

> 3. Herald Sun, 2025 - Exclusive on EP 145TH AND ST NICK and music career

>

> Ready to build the draft. Confirming I’ll work on ."

--- ~2026-41380-91 (talk) 18:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Searchbox Thumbnails

How can I mark an image to be used as the thumbnail for an article in Wikipedia's search engine? I can't find anything in the MOS that describes how thumbnails are selected. Gebble (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

The thumbnail is usually the first image in the article, so moving the image to the first location usually sets it as the thumbnail. For more information, you can see MOS:IMAGES. Thanks, Chorchapu (talk | edits) 17:07, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Gebble. I think it's a bit more complicated that @Chorchapu implies.

Displaying a thumbnail is I believe done by a MediaWiki extension that is installed in the mobile app, but not in the browser version: unfortunately, I've been unable to remember the name of the extension and find it (I hope somebody will come along and add that information).

I believe that the extension displays the first image in the article which meets certain requirements: one of them is about the size of the image, and I think there is one about licensing as well. I'm pretty sure that you cannot directly control the choice of image, except by making sure the desired image is the first one in the article that meets the requirements. ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

@Gebble @ColinFine I think you might mean the PageImages extension. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:55, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, @TooManyFingers. I noticed that in the list of extensions, but since it appeared to be about all images on a page rather than selecting one, I didn't look at it further. I'll know next time.

@Gebble, please see mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice for how it decides which image to use. ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, I as well have learned something new today. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 20:29, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

I hadn't known - I was just lucky to stumble across the other extension that calls upon it, SearchThumbs, which says in its description that PageImages is required. That two-extensions setup might make each of them a bit harder to find, I'm not sure. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 22:25, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. It still seems sort of fuzzy though. For the case of File:Sadeqain.png, is it because this image is under fair use licensing? Gebble (talk) 03:28, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Georg Glockemeier: Zur Wiener Judenfrage. Verlag Günther, Leipzig & Wien 1936. (Auf Grundlage der Volkszählung 1934.) (in German)

How can I best edit the page History of the Jews in Vienna? Specifically, there is a table there that lists "Jewish contributions to Vienna's economy (1934)". The source for the figures presented in that table is Georg Glockemeier: Zur Wiener Judenfrage. Verlag Günther, Leipzig & Wien 1936. (Auf Grundlage der Volkszählung 1934.) (in German). This source is unreliable and deliberately presented figures to sow hatred against the Jewish population of Vienna. I put a note to this effect on the page, which was undone by one of the Wikipedia editors, "because it did not appear constructive". What is the best way to get the figures removed or at least the source identified as unreliable? It does not seem very constructive to me to present those figures as truth. (I came across the page after having read a book that presented these very statistics as true figures. But they seemed so unlikely (given that just 9% of the Viennese population was Jewish at that time) that I started to look more carefully at the source material.)

Below a summary of my dialogue with Google AI about this.

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

SUMMARY: SOCIO-ECONOMIC REALITY AND PROPAGANDA IN INTERWAR VIENNA (1934–1936)

1. Historical Classification as Propaganda

In historical scholarship, Georg Glockemeier's book Zur Wiener Judenfrage (1936) is objectively identified as a work of ideological, anti-Semitic propaganda. Major international repositories, including the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), explicitly categorise this text within their collections alongside Nazi pamphlets and historical hate speech literature. In this specific historical context, the term Judenfrage ("Jewish Question") was used to frame the presence of Jewish citizens as a societal problem requiring a political "solution."

2. Reliability and Manipulation of the Data

The baseline figures used by Glockemeier—sourced from the official Austrian census of March 22, 1934—were statistically accurate in their raw form. The Austrian government utilized reliable, modern tracking and enumeration methodologies at the time (Bundesamt für Statistik, 1934). However, the source is classified as propaganda because these accurate data points were fraudulently manipulated and interpreted to falsely demonstrate that a minority population (comprising approximately 10% of Vienna's residents) completely dominated the capital city (Glockemeier, 1936; Wikipedia).

Historians demonstrate that the text serves as a classic example of "weaponized statistics" through the implementation of several distinct techniques:

• Definitional Shifting: The official census tracked demographics strictly by registered religious affiliation (Konfession) (Bundesamt für Statistik, 1934). Propaganda writers weaponized this data by conflating it with racial Nazi theories, selectively ignoring or including tens of thousands of secular, converted, or intermarried citizens to fit their narrative (Wikipedia).
• Geographical Isolation: The publication isolated specific statistics from the city of Vienna (approximately 176,034 Jewish residents) to manufacture a narrative of an overwhelming demographic takeover (Glockemeier, 1936). In doing so, it intentionally omitted the fact that the Jewish population across the entirety of Austria accounted for a mere 2.8% of the national total (Bundesamt für Statistik, 1934).
• Omission of Historical Context: The high concentration of Jewish individuals within Vienna's liberal professions, such as law and medicine, was the direct result of centuries of legal exclusion under the Habsburg Empire (Wikipedia). Because Jewish people were historically barred from owning land or entering state civil service bureaucracy, families heavily prioritized independent, university-level education (Beckermann, 1984).
• Statistical Distortions: Within the published tables, vague "up to" thresholds or maximum ceilings (≤) were applied to certain arbitrary sectors (such as the scrap metal trade or candy shops) instead of providing exact counts (Glockemeier, 1936; Wikipedia). Furthermore, high percentages were displayed for highly localized niche markets—such as advertising bureaus—to inflate the perceived scale of ownership beyond what the low absolute raw numbers actually represented (Glockemeier, 1936).
• Selective Omission: By focusing exclusively on roughly 35 handpicked sectors where Jewish business owners maintained a visible presence (Glockemeier, 1936), the author completely concealed the remaining 80% of the broader economy. This hid massive industries—such as heavy manufacturing, agriculture, transport, and public utilities—where Jewish employment was virtually non-existent due to structural barriers (Silverman, 2012).

3. Independent and Non-Jewish Sources on the Economic Reality

To verify the actual socioeconomic landscape without relying solely on the archives of Jewish organizations, historians utilize three independent, non-Jewish data streams that confirm widespread poverty and systemic unemployment:

1. Official Government Census Volumes (1934): The comprehensive publications from the Austrian state statistic bureaus prove that the overwhelming majority of Viennese Jews were registered as Angestellte (salaried white-collar clerks) and Arbeiter (manual wage laborers), rather than wealthy business owners (Bundesamt für Statistik, 1934). During the Great Depression, consumer retail and textile sectors collapsed first, triggering disproportionately high unemployment rates among these Jewish wage earners (Silverman, 2012).
2. Nazi Asset Declarations (1938): The most direct non-Jewish refutation of universal Jewish wealth comes directly from the administrative records of the Nazi regime following the Anschluss. Extant records from the Vermögensverkehrsstelle (Asset Transfer Office) reveal that over 60% of the Jewish population in Vienna was so impoverished that their global assets fell below the mandatory registration threshold of 5,000 Reichsmarks (RM); they were legally exempt from filing because they possessed virtually nothing (Austrian State Archives (ÖStA), 1938).
3. Municipal Records of "Red Vienna" (1919–1934): The non-Jewish, Social Democratic city administration maintained meticulous municipal registries for public housing and relief allocation. These public documents prove that the Jewish populations in the working-class 2nd (Leopoldstadt) and 20th (Brigittenau) districts lived in the exact same overcrowded, state-subsidized public housing blocks (Gemeindebauten) as non-Jewish laborers and depended heavily on municipal winter relief subsidies (Wienbibliothek im Rathaus, 1919–1934).

4. Internal Jewish Sources on Poverty and Welfare

The internal administrative registries and annual audits of the Jewish community itself corroborate and add granular detail to this severe socio-economic crisis:

1. Charity and Payout Registries of the IKG Wien: Preserved annual reports from the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien show that between 1934 and 1936, nearly 30% of the registered Jewish population in Vienna was completely dependent on communal welfare, emergency financial aid, or free soup kitchens to survive (Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP)).
2. Class Stratification by District: Internal demographic surveys indicate that Vienna's Jewish population was deeply divided by socio-economic class. The absolute majority belonged to the working-class proletariat (artisans, tailors, shoemakers, and petty traders). A significant portion consisted of Ostjuden (refugees from Eastern Europe fleeing WWI fallout) who experienced severe destitution in Leopoldstadt and Brigittenau, while only a small, highly visible elite resided in affluent districts like the Innere Stadt or Döbling (YIVO Institute; Beckermann, 1984).
3. The True Nature of Business Ownership: Financial Ledgers from the communal relief agency Wirtschaftshilfe demonstrate that the vast majority of Jewish-owned enterprises were micro-businesses, such as single-room family shops or artisan workshops (CAHJP). These self-employed individuals frequently earned less than factory laborers during the Great Depression and possessed zero structural influence over Austria's macroeconomic framework, which remained under the control of heavy industry and state monopolies (Silverman, 2012).

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Complete Bibliographic References:

• Beckermann, R. (1984): Die Epoche der Skrupellosigkeit: Über die Erpressung der Wiener Juden durch die Nazis. Löcker Verlag, Wien. [Accessible via the Findbuch.at Database].
• Bundesamt für Statistik (1934): Die Ergebnisse der österreichischen Volkszählung vom 22. März 1934. Bundespressedienst, Wien. [Historical overview sheets available via Statistik Austria].
• Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP): Archival Holdings of the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde (IKG) Wien, 1930–1936. Records of the Wirtschaftshilfe and communal welfare distributions, Jerusalem. [Accessible via the CAHJP Online Portal].
• Glockemeier, G. (1936): Zur Wiener Judenfrage. Verlag Johannes Günther, Leipzig & Wien. [Archived and categorized under document control number irn521945 at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM)].
• Österreichisches Staatsarchiv (ÖStA): Archival records of the Vermögensverkehrsstelle (Asset Declarations, 1938), Vienna. [Accessible via the Archivinformationssystem of the ÖStA].
• Silverman, L. (2012): Becoming Austrian: Jews and Culture between the World Wars. Oxford University Press. [Cited via the academic repository of the University of Illinois].
• Wienbibliothek im Rathaus: Handbuch der Stadt Wien & Kommunale Berichte (1919–1934). Digitized municipal records of "Red Vienna", Vienna. [Accessible via the Wienbibliothek Digital Portal].
• Wikipedia: History of the Jews in Vienna. [Accessible via the English Wikipedia Portal].
• YIVO Institute for Jewish Research: Interwar Austrian Jewish Demographic Surveys. New York. [Accessible via the YIVO Online Archives].

Ioberski (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Ioberski, bring up the matter on Talk:History of the Jews in Vienna (which I notice was last used six years ago). There, make the point that you (and not "Google AI") have made above. Be sure to ping the user who reverted you (WikipediholicRat), just as I am pinging you in this message. Do not cite "AI"; instead, cite reliably sourced historical facts. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 20:33, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Ioberski (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

how to locate my biography article that was declined and needs improvement?

how to locate my biography article that was declined and needs improvement? Rizos01 (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

@Rizos01: I found it in your edit history: Draft:Robert_Shenk RudolfRed (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

Rizos01, have you read and digested "#Status of biography article about Robert Shenk"? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 20:37, 24 July 2026 (UTC)

@Hoary There were some copyvio issues and it wasn't written neutrally. But Shenk met NPROF and, with the addition of reviews, NAUTHOR, so I cleaned it up. Mme Maigret (talk) 03:25, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Good work there, Mme! -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 04:23, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Problem adding a photo to Heywood Hardy article

I used the Upload Wizard and copied the 'PD's and words used by previously added photos but a problem is being flagged up. Where did I go wrong? BFP1 (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

I added a photo using Upload Wizard and all the PD's and words used when existing photos were added, but a problem has been flagged up. Where did I go wrong?

I may have added this question before but I could not see it added to the list. BFP1 (talk) 12:40, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi BFP1, If the file you're asking about is File:Homewards. Oil on canvas. Signed Heywood Hardy (lower left). The title inscribed verso.jpg, then you uploaded that file to Wikimedia Commons, which means you probably need to ask about it over at Wikimedia Commons. It looks like the file was tagged as not having a valid copyright tag by a Commons administrator named c:User:Yann. You can post a message at c:User talk:Yann and seek clarification about the file's current status. The deletion tag might no longer be applicable since you've subsquently added a copyright license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:06, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly. I have contacted Yann on Wikimedia BFP1 (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

@BFP1: Yann most likely isn't watching your Commons user page; so, if you want them to clarify about the file in question, you'd probably be better of posting a mesage on their Commons user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:26, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

How to expand stubs

Hello!

I am fairly new to editing wikipedia, and last time I made edits I was in a trance and I now remember nothing of how to edit. I would like help arranging information and citing sources in a stub I'm expanding. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dichrostigma_flavipes

I am using the visual editor.

Thank you in advance! Thunderslate (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

@Thunderslate Wikipedia is all about summarising sources and citing them. Google scholar has several hits on that insect, so please go ahead! In a moment I'll add some other general links to your talk page, Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Since that already has a few solid references I would start by perusing those and seeing what more you can add to it from them, then look for more sources for additional info. Species pages are fairly simple in that they follow a consistent format, and you can look at related articles such as Puncha ratzeburgi to try to match them. Sometimes there's not very much information available on lesser known species so the article may still be fairly short, but you can usually fill in the basics such as description, habitat/distribution, and taxonomy. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 06:43, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

@ChompyTheGogoat The article's state when the question was asked was this from 2024. You saw more because User:Thunderslate added them just after I responded to her here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:35, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the referral to google scholar by the way.

I appreciate it! Thunderslate (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. I added several good references to my first stub but didn't have time to flesh it out, so I thought that was the situation here too. My point about using similar articles as references for structure still stands, however. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 04:30, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Possible outdated guide regarding Lang-xx

Hello for a eighteenth time! It seems that some guide appears to still be mentioning {{Lang-xx}} instead of {{Langx}}: for proof, I came across Hostun, Armenia in Special:AbuseLog, and the initial revision used these now-deleted Lang-xx templates, so maybe an admin forgot to update some part of the newcomer's guide. Before that, I came across an article of an Israeli politician and came across the exact same problem: {{lang-he}}. I never heard of any of Wikipedia's guides nor completed any of them (I just started editing with no assist), so I have no idea what is still mentioning {{lang-xx}}. Should this still go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)? — SimpleObjects-9ei 🏖️/☀️/🥵 (see talk) 20:36, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello SimpleObjects-9ei and welcome back to the Teahouse!

I found this: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Lang-he which indicates that the Lang-he template is still in use on some wikis, though not necessarily on Wikipedia. It's understandable that someone might try to use it. One would hope that they immediately realize the template by that name does not exist and they will search and find the {{langx}} template to use instead. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:48, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

I made an advanced search for possible guide pages (i.e. uses a {{lang-*}} template) gave me these:

Extended content

Be careful with this search-result link, since it uses a regex on around 200,000 pages: [1]

Results:

• Module:Lang
• Module:Lang/sandbox
• Module:Lang/data
• Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Computer science, computing, and Internet
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Pronunciation
• Module:Lang/utilities
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive583
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1006
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1002
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles
• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2016-11-26/Gallery
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell
• Module:Lang/documentor tool
• Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic)
• Module:Lang/data/sandbox
• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 161
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Newsletter/January 2013/GAMO
• Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive AM
• Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories/2020-07
• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1078
• Module:Lang/documentor tool/sandbox
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/April 2018
• Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 82
• Portal:Soviet Union/Intro
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 25
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 3
• Portal:Philosophy/Selected article/5
• Portal:History of science/Article/13
• Portal:Soviet Union/Selected biography/5
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Arado E.381/archive1
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 March 13
• Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 75
• Portal:Communism/Selected biography/38
• Portal:Middle Ages/Selected biography/4
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected article/5
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected article/2
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected biography/2
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected article/4
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected biography/3
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected article/3
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected biography/1
• Portal:Poetry/Selected biography/15
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 October 20
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil/archive1
• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DeFacto/Archive
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 August 13
• Portal:Serbia/Selected bio/August
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected biography/5
• Portal:Georgia (country)/Selected biography/4
• Portal:Society/Featured biography/25
• Portal:Soviet Union/Selected biography/2
• Portal:Jazz/Selected biography/6
• Portal:Ireland/Contribute
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 August 31
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hair Peace Salon
• Portal:Turkmenistan/Selected article/1
• Portal:Serbia/Selected bio/April
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 May 15
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User:Jaguar
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Immediate Action Unit
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hendery
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Nazi Germany
• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/123Aristotle/Archive
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rai Ahmed Nawaz Khan Kharal
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Croatian Spring/archive1
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giorgi Kulua
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Republic of Guria/archive1
• Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Cukiger
• Module:Sandbox/Ivan Štambuk/lang-ex-helper
• Module:Sandbox/Erutuon
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Podokesaurus/archive1
• Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Hazard-Bot 21
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Kosovo/Information/Intro
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 August 25
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Socialism/Related Projects
• Wikipedia:WikiProject China/User requests
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 April 24
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 January 12
• Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Balboa Creole French
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Nassau Agreement
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 August 23
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2020 October 28
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles/January 2011
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 August 14
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 August 11
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles/April 2011
• Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/WPC 552 dump
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konstantynopolitańczykowianeczka
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles/December 2010
• Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiFundi Content/Help:Write a Wikipedia article about a school
• Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Requests/Fulfilled/Archive 2
• Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 June 4
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice/sandbox
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles/May 2011
• Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RaBOTnik
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Unpatrolled articles/June 2011
• Help:Books/Feedback/Archives/2016/November
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Log/2010-08-27
• Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Peer review/Johny Mera Naam
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Log/2010-02-08
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipack Africa Content/Help:Write a Wikipedia article about a school
• Module:Lang/sandbox2
• Module:Sandbox/trappist the monk/langx
• Module:Lang/configuration
• Module:Sandbox/trappist the monk/test
• Module:Lang/langx
• Module:Lang/configuration/sandbox
• Module:Sandbox/Erutuon/Unicode
• Portal:Saxony-Anhalt/Article of the Month/Archive
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 October 8
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27
• Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2024/Red Sea with a sea of red
• Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1203
• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 214
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tai Po Methodist School
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xi Jinping–Li Keqiang Administration
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Eurovision/Archive/Featured Eurovision Article Archive/2023/July
• Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports/Fast article reviewers
• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 June 16
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 April 17
• Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 267
• Wikipedia:Signs of AI writing/Examples/Aleftina Evdokimova
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Development Initiatives Institute (2nd nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tairex Agent Hospital
• Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Archive/2023/05
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Xu
• Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 June 1
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hö'elün/archive1
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chan Lai So Chun Memorial School
• Template:Lang-x/doc
• Template:Lang-zh/doc
• Template:Wu-style tai chi lineage
• Template:Old Chinese
• Template:Lang-zh/testcases
• Template:INSEE
• Template:Did you know nominations/The Devil in Love (opera)
• Template:Lang-x/doc/parameters
• Template:Lang-x2/doc
• Template:Old Chinese/sandbox
• Template:Language with name/testcases
• Template:Lang-Deva
• Template:Lang-ka/doc
• Template:Lang-rus/doc
• Template:Lang-sh-Cyrl and Lang-sh-Latn documentation
• Template:Lang-mnc/doc
• Template:First Council of the China Television Artists Association

LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 01:32, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Very few of those hits look actionable. Maybe a fix is needed for WP:Manual of Style/Pronunciation — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:05, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Use of ISSN vs. ISBN

I have a reference that I wish to add.. It is a journal/magazine with an ISSN. I note that the citation template uses ISBN. Can ISSN be substituted without generating an error or should it be omitted entirely? Oldsilenus (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

The template called "cite magazine" has a place for ISSN. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 21:54, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

The template "Cite journal" also provides for ISSN. Although as DOIs (for specific journal articles, as well as other uses) have become widely used, ISSNs seem to have diminishing utility. Yes, there are cases where an ISSN would be helpful; but when I don't see how it would be helpful, I skip it, and I don't think that any other editor has ever complained. And an ISBN isn't an ISSN or vice versa. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 22:53, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! I seldom edit and have forgotten much that I once knew! Oldsilenus (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Is creating a Standalone List necessary?

Hey there, I was trying to exapnd Verykool's product releases, but according to GSMArena, they released 149 phones. I was wondering on if I should only list out notable phones or just create a standalone list as to not bloat the article with 149 entries. Carlosfruitcup (talk) 03:21, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Sometimes, (often), expanding a product releases section is just not a good idea. A complete catalog is not the point; the article is to tell the history of the company so people will understand, not to fill out lists. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:16, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

If you're adding, add literally 2 or 3 items that you think it's insane to not show, and forget about the rest. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:18, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Follow-up to Hello , I want to write an Article but i don't know which is Notable or Not  ?

Thanks for your co-operation mind. Zahidul Is Chowdhury (talk) 05:22, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Zahidul Is Chowdhury, you point us to a thread that you started in 2022. I don't understand why you do so -- but (as I wrote back in 2022) I didn't understand what it was that you were asking for. (My tentative responses didn't bring any explanations. Incidentally, my If other editors see that you have made a good attempt, this may prompt to help you continue your search was my mistake for If other editors see that you have made a good attempt, this may prompt them to help you continue your search.) I suppose that you're now asking "If I come up with an idea for the subject of a new article, how will I know whether or not the subject would be sufficiently notable?" What "notability" means in this context is explained in WP:Notability. What kind(s) of subject would interest you? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 06:07, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

What the purpose of this house?

Hello! Enugula Rakesh Reddy (talk) 07:52, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

@Enugula Rakesh Reddy Welcome to the Teahouse! Your go-to place for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:03, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello! Do you have a specific question about editing Wikipedia? {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 08:03, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Are you all Wikipedia editor, or are you Wikimedia Foundation employees? Enugula Rakesh Reddy (talk) 08:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Everyone here is a volunteer. It's possible some volunteers are also WMF employees editing in their free time, but most aren't. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 08:10, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

How i become a volunteer? Enugula Rakesh Reddy (talk) 08:13, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Start editing. You can find some easy edits to get started on your homepage. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 08:17, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

You volunteered when you added references to an article about a building in Chennai. (I have no reason to think that you were remunerated, directly or indirectly, and assume that you weren't. You were thus a volunteer.) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:20, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Got it tell me how are the user rights listed at Wikipedia:User groups granted? Are they earned automatically, or do editors need to apply for them? Enugula Rakesh Reddy (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Some are automatic, some need you to apply/someone to apply for you. Autoconfirmed and extended-confirmed are automatic once you meet the conditions described, while the rest typically need you to apply for them. Feel free to read the page to understand what each role means. jolielover♥talk 08:31, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok thanks Enugula Rakesh Reddy (talk) 08:40, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Uploading a new university seal file on Wikipedia

Hello, I want to upload an updated svg file of the seal of Dominican University of California. But there's already a "gif file", which is actually a png. Should I overwrite the file? Or make a new file for this new file format? Thanks. HegelianCk (talk) 10:17, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

It's showing as a gif for me, albeit an awful one. I believe since it's non-free you'd want to replace it, as the orphaned version would no longer be justifiable. (Someone more experienced might correct me though.) ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Okay, but the file title says the file is in gif format. What would happen if I replace/overwrite it with an svg file? HegelianCk (talk) 23:38, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

The .svg format file will have to have a different name. So you will have to change the name of the image in the article. Any unused file for the logo is unfree, and so will eventually get deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:31, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

So I will have to put {{rename media|New title|Reason for request}} on the top of the file article and once approved I can upload file format that is not .gif? HegelianCk (talk) 01:06, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I think you have it backwards. I think the old file gets to keep the name it has, and you have to come up with a new name for the new file so they don't clash. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 03:51, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

They're talking about overwriting the existing file on that page with a new version rather than creating a separate file page. I'm not sure what the protocol is when it's a different format of the same image. I think Graeme is saying to create it as a new one and then delete the gif version once the article is swapped to the svg. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

So when I make a new svg file version of this and edit article/s that are using the current file so that it links with the new file, Wikipedia will automatically delete the current file because it does not appear in any articles? HegelianCk (talk) 04:51, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Not quite automatically - editors need to do so under CSD, but that tends to get handled quickly. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 04:58, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Having read the visual design guide from the school, I'm now wondering why we're using the seal (intended for official documents) at all. File:Dominican univ california logo.png, which is used at the bottom of the infobox, is the primary logo for the school (and suffers from a similar transparency issue). ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 04:10, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I think the visual design guide is only for their institutional policy, and it doesn't apply outside their organization. HegelianCk (talk) 05:03, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

That still doesn't explain why the seal is being used as the primary visual representation for the article (or why we need both). Primary logos exist for that purpose. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 05:05, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I guess that appears to be the accepted standard on college articles, for some reason. Would still recommend cleaning up the second "primary" logo. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 05:07, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't understand (I'm not a native English speaker). But I think the visual guide is saying that the logo is their "primary" logo because there are other logos that is used inside their institution for specific purposes, not their primary institutional identification. Seals/coat of arms, as I know, are usually the primary identification. HegelianCk (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

It might just be my unfamiliarity with the subject matter. In any case, clearly there's at least implicit consensus to do it this way, so that's good enough for me. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Maybe because a person likely to edit this article is also likely to have received some sort of official document from this university.

And I don't think the issue is whether we're constrained by university policy, but whether the seal is relevant. For example, the article about Ford Motor Co. will certainly have the company logo, but probably not have a sample of company letterhead. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 05:07, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

That was my question - but having clicked around to a few others it seems to be the norm, for reasons. The document is referenced as the source on the file page, which is why I was reading it in the first place. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 05:15, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. I guess I feel about the same way you do. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 05:50, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Three things

1. I’m on mobile, and the three dot button dosen’t appear while reading normally, so i can’t edit the full page on source editing on mobile. Thats a issue that needs to be talked about. 2. The article “Photosensitive epilepsy” needs to include more information, i feel like a Wikipedia article on photosensitive epilepsy would have more info, but alas, it dosen’t really have much information. I do think mentioning the red color as a seperate dangerous color for photosensitivity, if what i said made proper sense, but alas, whatever. 3. The article “Elsagate” needs to be renamed, it is no longer called Elsagate. I saw a redirect titled “Offensive content in YouTube” and i feel like that the title of this article could be renamed to something like that, but isn’t the redirect title, because the redirect title dosen’t correctly describe it. Perhaps “Innapropriate children’s content on YouTube” could be the title, but i don’t know, there needs to be a discussion. I do think that there needs to be more information with new references in the newer history section, newer stuff that isn’t mentioned in Wikipedia. You might say i should edit the articles rather than saying it on the Teahouse, but i have a problem that i said in the first part. So i had to write it on the Teahouse because i coundl’t really properly edit articles. ~2026-41766-87 (talk) 10:32, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I found this reference that was in the “Elsagate” Wikipedia article in 2017. https://web.archive.org/web/20171119030514/https://www.inquisitr.com/opinion/4619073/youtube-promises-crackdown-on-disturbing-and-sexually-violent-gore-videos-targeted-at-children/ I don’t know if this could be on this Wikipedia article because this dosen’t look too much trust-worthy or notable for Wikipedia. ~2026-41766-87 (talk) 10:37, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @~2026-41766-87, and welcome to the Teahouse!

I have yet to encounter that issue - perhaps you can try a different browser, Chrome, Safari, Firefox; or try editing on a computer. Perhaps someone else will have more precise suggestions.

As for your edit requests, once this issue is resolved, please be bold and make them yourself! Alternatively, you could mention them on the article's talk page - perhaps another editor will apply them. Note: this option will likely take some time and does not guarantee that the edits will be added. Giovanni Guasconti (a word with me) 14:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

@Giovanni Guasconti But the problem is that i can’t edit the Full page on source editing because the three buttons dont appear on some articles. Even on those that have no restrictions on editing the article. ~2026-41910-94 (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Regarding the name of an article: There are different possible meanings when people say "It's not called that anymore". The meaning that matters on Wikipedia is "I can show that the majority of reliable sources agree what the new name should be". TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 14:58, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Templates

Is there a limit on the {{collapse top}} Template (like how many subsections of it can I make). It really bugs when I used it on my subpage, also note: I used em like a subset of a subset of a set, does ts hv anythn to do with the bugs? Everytime I tryta use the template the last one gets pushed out of the box, are there better alternatives? 𝕆𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕟 (talk) 12:30, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:YameenØriøn/Cladogram1

I'm not even going to try to dig through that, but from a quick search you appear to have 21 COT templates and 29 COB. I would definitely recommend not doing that. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Tht hlps, ty ig 𝕆𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕟 (talk) 13:16, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

The Mediawiki expansion depth limit (how many templates you can generally nest ; Mediawiki is the software that virtually every WMF-owned wiki runs on) is 100, starting from 1.38 onwards. This is to avoid a denial of service attack as very large and complex templates and nested templates take time to parse. 51 nested templates is when it starts showing the error « Expansion depth limit exceeded ». I'm not actually seeing the text being « pushed out of the box » though. ⠀⠀ .n 13:16, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

One of the excess COBs was dropped at the bottom, which they've since removed. I'm still not sure I understand the purpose of this formatting, however. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I w'd reallyappreciate recommendations for other formatting that can serve the same purpose —can properly present a nested hierchy, in the same way... 𝕆𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕟 (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Newick format can stuff child nodes into a string, and Template:Clade supports using Newick directly. See Template:Clade/doc#Data in Newick format ⠀⠀ .n 16:33, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

i really appreciate ur time but I'd be glad if u showed me some ways to make it like a box in a box (each box has a cladogram of its own and each subbox is the expansion of one of the taxa in the cladogram of the parent box) format. 𝕆𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕟 (talk) 10:14, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The box-in-a-box format is a visual format (i.e. for viewing more or less all the boxes in the whole structure all at once with human eyes), not a format for storing a database. It stops being useful when there are more levels than the eyes can comprehend in one glance. (My guess is it becomes useless somewhere around maybe 6 levels.) Beyond some small limit similar to that, the boxes are not helping you or anyone to show anything, do anything, or learn anything, other than as a sort of slow-moving and very boring video game.

It would be useful to have some automated way to convert small excerpts from databases into this format to give people a better look at them. But it isn't useful to maintain a database this way, which is really what you're trying to do. Your present format is like if an international chain of coffee shops chose one time and location (e.g. Monday morning in Paris) to pour all the cups of coffee that will be needed worldwide for a week, and then put their employees on flights to everywhere with big trays of full coffee cups. :) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Ahh tyy, my lazyself wouldnt rly wanna write down which Clade is which so I tried to do ts short cut n messed up lol 𝕆𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕟 (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Stacking dts functions

Hi all,

I posted this here: Template talk:Date table sorting a few months ago but haven't had any responses.

When building a table, what is the best way to add data such as "By 26 June 1986"? At the moment I have it in plain text as "By 1986-06-26", and I want to convert all those entries to DTS format but retain the "by X date" or "after X date" or "circa X date" as a text prefix which will be ignored by the sort function; so in that case, "By 1986-06-26" should be sorted between "After 1986-06-25" and before "circa 1987". I tried using {{circa{{dts|}}}} where applicable but it broke the sorting, so what are the equivalent functions for 'circa', 'by this date' or 'after this date' which keep the sorting in tables?

Anothersignalman (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I need to change the logo on this page

Garforth Town A.F.C. When you click on the logo, you can see that the iamge of the white flower has been removed along with the background. I need to replace this logo with the correct one that doesn't have the white flower removed. I have the correct image, but I can't seem to be able to swap it. Can anyone help please? Garforthminer (talk) 14:17, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I think you're not exactly saying the flower is gone, but that it's been made transparent when it needs to be positively white. Am I on the right track? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 14:29, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

That's what I assume, since the flower is "missing" in dark mode. Someone did a select all for white pixels when they removed the background. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 14:32, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

The image is sourced from here, so you'll need to replace that with the correct version. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I have uploaded a new version with the background correctly removed. Number 57 16:41, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

That fixed the flower, but the near-white pixels around the edges are very messy. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 04:44, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Reviewing other people's edits (as a relative newcomer)

I've just completed 100 edits and (as a result guess) I've been asked to review recent edits by other users. I can click on one from the list and I understand what I'm looking at and how to see if it's correct/valid etc, but I can't see what I'm supposed to do about it - 'Thank' etc, how do I do that, or am I not at that stage yet? Jaarn9 (talk) 15:15, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Jaarn9! Could you share the URL of the page where you're asked to review edits? That'd help me figure out exactly which page it is. Any editor is allowed to thank or revert other edits (the two main actions you'd take while reviewing edits). Sdkb ^talk 15:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Having trouble finding my way back to it, and I’ll be out of action today but will let you see URL if I see it again Jaarn9 (talk) 07:32, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I also recently hit 100 edits and can only assume you're talking about the dashboard, in which participation is optional. If I understand correctly, the recent edits aren't being directly assigned to you to review, and just pop up on users' dashboards to increase the likelihood that someone catches and corrects them if they are unacceptable (vandalism, unsourced or otherwise).

If an edit you see on the dashboard is acceptable, I don't believe you need to take any action. You can send thanks if you appreciate the edit, but it's not required. If the edit is unacecptable, that's when you undo or fix.

I hope that I'm right, and that this makes sense. Crtbob (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, that’s helpful. Jaarn9 (talk) 07:31, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

And an alternative to undo, could be to copyedit the change to fix syntax or spelling. Perhaps you could add a reference to assist. If some change is a serious problem such as an attack, vandalism, or a copyright infringement, then talking to the editor is appropriate, and you may need administrator assistance to hide the text from view. Also if you are interested in a particular subject area you can use Petscan to find changes. Foe example https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?max_sitelink_count=&max_statements=&cb_labels_any_l=1&depth=1&edits%5Bbots%5D=both&namespace_conversion=keep&max_age=480&cb_labels_no_l=1&interface_language=en&pagepile=&output_compatability=catscan&language=en&output_limit=&project=wikipedia&sortby=none&larger=&search_max_results=500&referrer_url=&sitelinks_yes=&ores_prob_to=&labels_any=&search_wiki=&sparql_server=wikidata&common_wiki=auto&templates_no=&talk_page_exists=both&wikidata_source_sites=&cb_labels_yes_l=1&sitelinks_any=&sortorder=ascending&min_identifiers=&after=&maxlinks=&ns%5B0%5D=1&smaller=&categories=Eritrea&show_soft_redirects=both&wpiu=any&labels_yes=&langs_labels_no=&min_redlink_count=1&edits%5Banons%5D=both&source_combination=&ores_type=any&doit= finds changes related to the Eritrea category. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Abandoned article

Hello guys! i made an article about isreali fighter ace moshe melnik and ran out time to work on it. can someone else with free time work on it?. Thank you in advance. Gyror (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

It looks like the article was deleted for not having any references. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 15:48, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

If you wish to recover the text so you can work on it, see instructions at WP:REFUND. But don't put it back as a published article without fixing it first; if something gets deleted more than once, it may be blocked from being re-created. Work on it in your own sandbox or in Draft space. I also suggest, if you write any more articles, write them there and submit them to Articles for Creation: don't make something a published article until it's completely ready. M kuhner (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Serial poor article creator

How should one handle an editor who (directly) creates multiple articles, nearly all of which don't pass GNG and are either nominated for deletion or are moved to draft where they are then abandoned. All they are doing is creating cleanup work for other editors. Can the user be forced somehow (or more gently but firmly persuaded) to go through the articles for creation process and create drafts in the first instance? I don't want to ANI on them if there's a much better way to do it. Thanks. 10mmsocket (talk) 15:55, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Please start with WP:DR ~2026-33562-67 (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

That seems harsh. Where's the dispute? 10mmsocket (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

The dispute is that you disagree with how they're editing and want them to change it. The dispute resolution page starts with "talk to the editor" which is an excellent first step, and explains how to escalate if necessary. I very much agree with not starting out at ANI: if you haven't tried other approaches first, the response may be frosty. M kuhner (talk) 21:11, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I have posted a friendly(ish) message on their talk page, so let's see what happens there first. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:29, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Is it possible to delete contribs?

Hi, I am pretty new to Wikipedia, and I have lately been setting up my user page. All of my contributions are for my user page, and I have over 90 of them. Can I (or an administrator) delete all of my contributions so it will show only the real contributions that I plan to do? Techguy7370 (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

That is not possible. The only circumstance in which your contributions could be deleted is if you included personal information or anything that could be suppressed for your safety/privacy. As you make contributions to the mainspace, they'll eventually bury your user page edits. Is there a reason you want to hide the edits? ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 19:41, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

No, I was just wondering if it was possible so that I could show only the contributions I make to the mainspace, and not the mess of my page. Thanks for your help! Techguy7370 (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

I don't believe so; there might be a way to filter your edits just for yourself, but I don't think there's a way to hide those edits from other people, sorry. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 20:13, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Anyone can filter contributions by namespace, so while userspace contributions can't be revdeled without cause, other editors who just want to view what you've done in mainspace can easily do so. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 05:19, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

You can request your user page to be deleted by adding a {{db-user}} tag. If you want to see your mainspace contributions you can try this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Techguy7370&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=&end=&limit=100 or from clicking on your contributions link, select search for contributions and select the namespace as (article). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

(You can imagine that allowing people to eliminate evidence of what they've done would be a terrible idea for Wikipedia.) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 03:30, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

If you request deletion of User:Techguy7370 then the old edits will only be visible to administrators but the number of edits will still be included in your public edit count, e.g. at https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Techguy7370 which would change from 0% deleted edits to currently more than 50%. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Add content

Add content to Vet Ron Kovic "Born on the 4th of July" and photo journalist Catherine Leroy? ~2026-41542-73 (talk) 20:04, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-41542-73, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you think an existing article can be improved - and you have a reliable published source for any information you think should be added - in most cases you can edit the article yourself to make the changes; or if you are unable or not confident, the article's talk page would be the best place to bring this up.

I see that the article Ron Kovic has had his birth date in the very first sentence since August 2003, so I am not clear what you are wanting to change.

And I have no idea what you are saying about Catherine Leroy. ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

ColinFine, I think that the OP meant "the military veteran Ron Kovic (of Born on the 4th of July fame)". (An interpretation that doesn't help us to guess at the "content".) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 02:23, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The article Catherine Leroy has a short paragraph about Kovic and his book Born on the 4th of July. But neither the article Ron Kovic nor the article Born on the 4th of July mentions Leroy. Is this asymmetry what you have in mind? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 05:24, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Article creation

If an article already exists in another language of Wikipedia, does it mean I can create it in English Wikipedia? Useless Editor 1 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes - see WP:Translation. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 23:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Each language's Wikipedia site has its own rules, so occasionally what is a viable article there might not be viable here. Also, sometimes the article isn't even viable there, and just nobody had noticed yet. DMacks (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

If the other language article has references, then that is a good indication and a place to start. Also watch out for point of view pushing in some other languages, so be careful what you translate. If you can't read the other language then be careful with machine translation. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:18, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

@Useless Editor 1: Welcome to The Teahouse. Potentially; English Wikipedia tends to have the strictest guidelines for wikinotability out of all the Wikipedia projects. You're best off evaluating the sources used in the other language(s) and see if they're considered reliable here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:42, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

How to fix a broken mapframe

This Wikipedia article contained a mapframe which doesn't work properly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas&oldid=1366226935#Indigenous_historical_trauma

"mapframe: Title "Canadian Indian residential school gravesites.map" is not a valid map data page"

This mapframe does exist, but for some reason doesn't work on that page:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites.map

How do I fix this broken mapframe instead of deleting it from the article?

Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 01:15, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

? Uhm The template itself is busted. It can't display the |from= parameter properly, and there's no issue with the mapdata itself. I've raised this over at WP:Village pump (technical). ⠀⠀ .n 03:34, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

phab:T433008 ⠀⠀ .n 03:49, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

@Domen von Wielkopolska ⠀⠀ .n 04:40, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 06:03, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

some sources for Draft:MGM Collection

i plan to submit Draft:MGM Collection to AfC in the future, but i feel like there aren't enough sources… are there any another reliable sources out there that u could suggest?

ps: there are currently 4 sources after i posted this, but i did find a 5th source: AHR (g • s • c) 04:22, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

References

This new source you found is just an announcement. Announcements are so unimportant that they almost don't count. But I haven't looked at the other sources. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:31, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

After looking, I see that all of the references are announcements, all coming from company information such as press releases. This means there is currently nothing you can write about. Please see WP:42 for an explanation of what kind of sources are needed. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:37, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Request for feedback on school draft

Hello everyone,

I have submitted a draft article titled Draft: St. Augustine's Day School, Barrackpore through the Articles for Creation process.

I understand that reviews are handled by volunteers and may take time. If anyone is available, I would be grateful if you could provide feedback on the draft or let me know if any improvements are needed to meet Wikipedia's guidelines.

Thank you for your time and assistance. Ankitkumarghosh (talk) 04:35, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Judging by the sources you have collected so far, it is quite likely that the school is simply not notable, and that there is nothing that could be done to improve it. The requirements at Wikipedia:NSCHOOL are pretty clear, and the current references are unfortunately not anywhere close to meeting them. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:45, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

About an Editor Disrupted edits

CurtisPalazola has been doing disruptive editing, even after repeated warnings by multiple editors (User talk:CurtisPalazola) including me. The editor is not responding to the warnings nor are engaging on the talk page. What should is the correct way to handle such editor/s? Idr888 (talk) 07:19, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for raising the concern at the teahouse. I would suggest you gather diffs and links to the disruptive editing and the warnings other editors have put. Then, read the Boomerang essay before reporting the editor to WP:ANI. 16dvnk (talk) 14:06, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, @16dvnk. I will do that. Idr888 (talk) 09:09, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Question about duplicate pages

While editing the page for my hometown, I wanted to create redirects for several nearby villages. However, I noticed that on the English Wikipedia there are currently two pages related to Dongsheng Town. And I am pretty sure they are the same place.

Dongsheng, Guangdong and Dongsheng, Zhongshan

According to what I know, Dongsheng Town has been merged into Xiaolan Town following an administrative adjustment a few years ago. This made me wonder whether the duplicate page should be merged into the existing Xiaolan Town article, or whether it should be handled in another way.

I'm not sure what the correct procedure is, or whether I have the authority as a regular editor to carry out such a merge. Could someone advise me on the appropriate way to handle this situation? BayridgeG22 (talk) 09:16, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Well, we certainly don't need both Dongsheng articles. I believe the correct way to handle it would be to merge those two (if there's anything worth merging, given how short both pages are) since it did exist as a historical entity, then hopefully add a sourced statement for the adjustment and link to Xiaolan Town. Any relevant content that happened after the adjustment would go in that article. Can you look for any reliable sources covering it? ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 11:37, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

https://www.zs.gov.cn/zwgk/gzdt/tzgg/content/post_1969637.html

This source is from Zhongshan City Government. It is reliable and also shows that Dongsheng is now been part of Xiaolan Town. And also I suggested merge those two pages few minutes ago, should I just wait for a week and merge them together if there is no one reply? BayridgeG22 (talk) 07:03, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

False Incorrect or Missing Captcha warning

Dear Wikipedia, I have been trying to publish my article for a while now and though it has passed all red flags, Wikipedia won't let me publish it as it is giving me a warning of "Incorrect or Missing Captcha" when I'm not even shown a CAPTCHA box to fill in. I tried republishing multiple times, but I am encountering the same error every time. No CAPTCHA box followed by a error message saying I need to fill in the CAPTCHA box. Yashita Awasthi (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Yashita Awasthi, shortly after posting the message above, you created Draft:YES Securities. Is this what you had been trying but failing to publish earlier? Also, how are you related to YES Securities? (Are you perhaps one of their employees?) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 10:58, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes, that was the draft I was trying to publish earlier. The CAPTCHA issue was resolved after I switched devices. Yashita Awasthi (talk) 11:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

That's good, Yashita Awasthi. Now do please respond to the message that ChompyTheGogoat has posted on your talk page. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 11:32, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Translating pages??

okay, so there is a page I want to have an english version of, but the only existing version of the page is in bulgarian. i dont speak bulgarian. when i make an english version of the page, must it be a translation of the bulgarian version or may i just make it all myself?? Enkaro (talk) 14:51, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Making it yourself is preferable when possible. Translations are permitted, but you must do the work to verify everything conforms to en-Wiki requirements, including the sources, which can be difficult if you don't speak the original language. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 15:15, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The one most important thing is where you get the information from - your sources. If there are enough reliable sources in English - at least three sources where each one by itself covers all of what's described in WP:42 - then you can use those to make an article. But Wikipedia can't be called a source at all, so if all the good sources are in Bulgarian and you aren't good at reading Bulgarian, then you don't have much to work from. It is OK to translate from Bulgarian Wikipedia as a first step, but if you do that you have to be able to judge whether their editors were being true to the sources they used. Two random Wikipedia editors can't blindly trust each other's work, especially if they don't speak the same language. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 15:33, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Need advice and criticism

Hello,

I have started a preliminary draft about DZDubai, a vehicle rental platform based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

At this stage, I am mainly looking for feedback on the introduction. Any advice or criticism would be welcome, especially regarding whether the opening paragraph is neutral, properly worded, and appropriate for an encyclopedic article.

I would also like to disclose that I have a connection with the subject, so I would prefer to receive guidance from independent editors before developing the draft further.

Draft: User:DeserEditor/sandbox

Thank you. DeserEditor (talk) 17:24, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

So far there is zero indication that the business passes WP:NCORP, you will need to submit for review. Theroadislong (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The fact that you have written an introduction while you still have no valid material to write about is probably the main thing I notice. The two references given so far are only the company advertising itself; this is confirmed by the sources when they write phrases similar to "company representatives say ..."

So, you don't need to polish the introduction - not yet. First, visit the link already given by Theroadislong (WP:NCORP), and find sources for your article that meet those requirements. Until you find enough of those, you won't really be needing this introduction for anything. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 22:43, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Further to what Fingers advises: you have made the very common new editor's error of starting to write the Draft backwards: please read that linked essay before continuing to "do it the hard way".

But take heart! You have learned this at a much earlier stage than many do, so you haven't lost very much time and effort. We all learn from our mistakes, and we all made many early in our Wikipedia careers, which is fine, because they're all easily correctable. Carry on and good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 01:22, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@DeserEditor I would strongly suggest you read my advice for paid editors. Also be aware that AI-generated content is not allowed. Athanelar (talk) 06:09, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Athanelar, i am not a paid editor. I am the founder. DeserEditor (talk) 07:03, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

DeserEditor I presume that you founded your company to earn a living and not as a hobby in your free time, that you derive income from your company; that makes you a paid editor, no different than if you instructed an employee to do what you are doing. 331dot (talk) 07:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I understand now. In a way, that actually makes things easier, because it helps me understand the process and realize that I need to dedicate the necessary time, effort, and resources to succeed.

Based on what I'm learning, I understand that this will probably take several years, but I'm ready for the journey @331dot DeserEditor (talk) 07:11, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @DeserEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Given what you have said, I strongly suggest that you devote your time, effort, and resources to your business, including promoting it in places that permit promotion, unlike Wikipedia.

I suggest you totally forget the idea of creating an article in Wikipedia about your business, and wait for somebody unconnected with you to decide, on their own, that enough independent reliable material has been published about your business that a Wikipedia article is possible, and they are interested in writing one. ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Isa Briones' lead image looks tiny for some reason?

Hi, why does Isa Briones' lead image look squished and tiny even though it's vertically oriented (longer than it is wider) and high-quality? For example, I cropped Nafessa Williams' pic so it's vertical and now fits nicely in the infobox. I have no idea why Isa's looks like that. Handsome Ellis (talk) 18:34, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

fixed it! if you go to the wikitext editor, it looks like the image_upright parameter was the culprit there. my change was

| image_upright      = .65 -> | image_upright      = 1

it seems like this number is the scale of the image, and it somehow got shrunk Jackjd0 (talk) 19:15, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh wow, thank you for the quick solution! Great job. Handsome Ellis (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Is there somewhere to raise whether someone should be on the mentors list?

I was just assigned a new mentor as my previous one had retired, but my new one has "I dislike LGBTQ+ or whatever you call it" written in their userpage. I don't know if that violates any Wikipedia rules but it certainly makes me uncomfortable and I wouldn't want a new(er) editor to be scared away by this. Gladdening✉ 19:45, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Gladdening, if you wish to raise this in terms of an abstract discussion of how we determine eligibility for Mentor status, that may be worth bringing to Wikipedia talk:Mentorship; my understanding is that the assignment process is almost entirely unsupervised and there’s been concerns in the past that this is inadequate, both for reasons like what you identify here and simpler questions of ensuring baseline competency and a level of actual experience. If instead you want to raise a complaint about a specific editor, that should be taken to WP:ANI and they should be notified per the instructions at that board. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:59, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Link to mentor: User:Tornado Elliott SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 20:01, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I'm going to leave a polite message on their talk page explaining that I'll be reassigning myself and to consider removing the statement as nonconducive to the mentor programme's purpose of welcoming newcomers. I checked user page policy and I don't exactly know if WP:POLEMIC is being violated here, but I'd rather approach them before going straight to ANI. Gladdening✉ 20:16, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I think that is a very appropriate path forward, and regret that you ended up in this situation in the first place. Based on prior discussions about user page propriety, I think that Tornado Elliott’s user page text is skirting a bit shy of the line of where we would consider unilaterally removing the text or blocking them from editing, but it does raise valid concerns of the propriety of having them be a “mentor” and we regrettably don’t have an established process for reviewing mentors. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:57, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I have removed content. thanks for the warning TornadoElliott (Yelp for help?) 21:08, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I saw you also removed your religion, which was not the content in question and that I'm sure would still be welcome on your user page should you wish to keep it. See you around, Gladdening✉ 21:19, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

@Tornado Elliott Please be mindful of the fact that Wikipedia is a diverse community which welcomes people from all backgrounds and walks of life. Nobody can stop you from holding a particular opinion; but we can certainly request that you keep those opinions to yourself. You are welcome here, queer people are welcome here, everybody is welcome here - the only people who aren't welcome are those who make others feel unwelcome. By all means hold whatever opinions you hold; but any prejudices on others' identities must be left at the door here. Thanks for removing that statement, and thanks for being part of this diverse community. Athanelar (talk) 06:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

BC/AD or BCE/CE?

I have been on Wikipedia for a bit now but I'm unsure whether or not to use the Christian or scientific dating "titles"? Key^{lux ★talk★} 20:12, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

See MOS:BC. Both are used, although individual articles should stick to a single convention within their text. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:17, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

thank you ! Key^{lux ★talk★} 20:18, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Best Practice for adding event to table

Greetings, I'm trying to edit this article to include the first American television airing of this film. Under the "Events" section, there is already an event where the date of the airing occurred. Do I add another row with the same date, and explain it there? Do I add to the existing row? Thanks! This Name Isn't Available (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello!

Templates can be very confusing at first, so let me give you the exact source code for what you need to do.

|-

! rowspan="2" |(Date of the event)

|(Event one)

|-

|(Event two)

|-

Just plug this into the template where you need to do that! If you're still confused and want to tell me the specific edit you'd like to make, let me know and I can give you the code for that!

‍🌷Reverosie🌷^★talk★ 00:40, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Look at January 26 with the rowspan=2 parameter. That way you can split the cells on the right. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Need Your Help re: Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Dear Friends,

I apologize if this is an inappropriate request... yet would benefit from the insights from your collective experience.

Help: the Clark Unitive Effect draft is being denied review for inclusion (“This draft's references do not show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. The draft requires multiple published secondary sources…)  Try as I may, I can’t seem to understand what edits need to be done to meet this threshold. I have added just a few of the papers citing/supporting/referencing the theory that I understand meets the "criteria for inclusion."

Your edits of the draft, or counsel to me would be so helpful.  This theory is important to researchers, policy-makers, civic leaders, educators and so many others. The theory, in ways that can be understood, identifies how to understand and overcome errors in thinking, decision-making, and understanding, and actions to take.

Thank you for any help you can provide. Draft:Clark Unitive Effect theory

With humility and deep appreciation,

Petuniabaa Petuniabaa (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The main problem, as far as I can see, is that far too few of the references - maybe none? - are both independent of the origin of the theory and giving their own in-depth analysis of the theory. We refuse to publish what the authors of theories have to say for themselves. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 22:20, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Hmmmm…food for thought. Thank you. Petuniabaa (talk) 00:41, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Please only use one forum at a time to seek assistance, to avoid duplicating effort. 331dot (talk) 22:22, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Got It. Thank you! Petuniabaa (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

mapframe Infoboxes are broken?

Hi, The mapframes embedded in these articles were previously functional but are now displaying this error mapframe: Title "Bolton bus line.map" is not a valid map data page

I'd appreciate any help or info about this :)

Affected articles: Bolton_line_(bus_route) Line_1_Yonge–University Line_2_Bloor–Danforth

Thanks! SpectacularSeashoreOriole (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

This is a bug in Wikipedia's mapframe code, and the right people have already been alerted. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 22:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks so much :) SpectacularSeashoreOriole (talk) 23:45, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Editor keeps vandalizing

User:CurtisPalazola keeps vandalizing articles about year (XXX) in film SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 23:00, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The editor stoped vandalizing right now. SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 23:18, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

I can't seem to find that user; can you link their contributions? You could report them to WP:AIV or just ask them on their talk page to stop, if they aren't acting in bad faith. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 23:20, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh, never mind, I made a typo. Special:Contributions/CurtisPalazola Courtesy ping: CurtisPalazola ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 23:24, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

Numerous people have tried to get through. They've never responded to any talk comments. AIV probably called for. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

As this seems to be a persistent problem (given the user's talk page), ANI might be a good option as well. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 03:24, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Sillcosisgogol, three hours before the editor allegedly stopped vandalizing right then, they made this series of edits to 2023 in film. It doesn't look like vandalism to me. It's informative, relevant to the article subject (even if arguably not necessary), and provided with a reference, and the source referred to indeed says what it's presented in the article as saying. There could of course still be some kind of problem that I fail to notice (I haven't even glanced at the article's talk page), but I have trouble believing that the editor "keeps [present tense] vandalizing articles about year (XXX) in film". -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 00:50, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

They're back with this, which might not be vandalism but feels like they're just padding their edit count. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Protracted in-universe editing from one or more temporary accounts

Hello! I have been watching Galactic Empire for quite some time. It contains large amounts of in-universe language, WP:EASTEREGG (or overlinking), and lacks references for many of its statements. I attempted to fix some of these issues quite a while ago, but honestly I'm out of my depth.

Does some kind of action need to be taken against the temporary accounts? I'm probably overreacting; I think I'll just remove it from my watchlist and forget about it.

Thanks, JordyGrey _talk🧸 02:52, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

hey. so, this does look like a pretty messy case. first off, i went in and added some maintenance templates to help draw some attention from people who have specific skills in fixing articles like this.

when it comes to ip accounts- it really depends. its easiest to get rid of content right when it comes in- so what i would recommend is, if you see someone adding something without sourcing or which feels non constructive, you can revert the edit and put a warning on their talk page. the easiest way to do this is probably going to be through twinkle. im not sure if you use this, but you can turn it on in your settings (under gadgets). then, when you see this and have reverted the edit, you can go to their talk page and click warn (in a dropdown menu labeled user on some layouts). this will open up a ui that will let you pick from about a bajillion different temlates to give them a warn with, just pick whatever feels appropriate. start with level one, and in the case of repeat offenses, move up each time until you reach 4. once it goes past 4, thats when you would bring it up to staff- but honestly thats probably unlikely from anyone whos not deliberately vandalizing. Jackjd0 (talk) 03:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look into getting twinkle... I tried to install it a couple of months ago but I couldn't figure it out. I'll have another crack at it. Thank you!! :) JordyGrey _talk🧸 04:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

That was way easier than I thought it would be. I guess I was looking in the wrong spot earlier! JordyGrey _talk🧸 04:23, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

im glad youve got it figured out! i wish you luck in getting to know it and hope galactic empire attracts some interested editors Jackjd0 (talk) 04:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Is there a template for automatic inflation-adjusted prices?

Like the sentence "He bought a chess set for $1 (worth $10 as of 2026)". I vaguely remember seeing such a template, but can't find it. Banedon (talk) 04:36, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Template:Inflation has what you're looking for, but please take care to read the instructions carefully because it can easily give wrong results if used incorrectly. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 04:55, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I need a 3rd opinion

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Someone keeps saying my sources are wrong for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Learning_lodge# MisinformationFreeUltimateTicTacToePage (talk) 05:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

MisinformationFreeUltimateTicTacToePage, Sulfurboy has pointed out that in order to demonstrate the notability of "Learning lodge" (LL), you need to cite sources that (i) provide significant coverage of LL (that discuss LL in detail, not just brief mentions or routine announcements; and (ii) are reliable (are from reputable outlets with editorial oversight); and (iii) are independent of LL and of each other. Which three sources that the draft cites do you think score well at all three of (i), (ii), and (iii)? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 06:15, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok will update now MisinformationFreeUltimateTicTacToePage (talk) 06:23, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

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Possible bug?

I was trying to place an image by surrounding the filename with 2 square brackets on each side in the wikitext editor. The image was too big so I went and tried to make it smaller in the visual editor. The arrow showed up, but it didn't let me resize the photo. I use a phone to edit Wikipedia. Fence127 (talk) 06:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

what is the image? im not sure how photo formatting works on mobile but i can try to do it myself if that works Jackjd0 (talk) 06:10, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

It is File:Picket fence simple.jpg Fence127 (talk) 06:13, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

where is the instance you're trying to change the size of? and what size would you like it? Jackjd0 (talk) 06:20, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

On my user page Fence127 (talk) 06:24, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I dont know how to align my user boxes to center and not left Fence127 (talk) 06:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

so where do you want the fence? also- the userbox thing i figured out literally today. try this

{{Userboxtop

| toptext =

| align = center

| toptextstyle =

| textcolor =

| left =

| bordercolor =

| backgroundcolor =

| extra-css =

}}

{{userbox template names here}}

{{userbox template names here}}

{{Userboxbottom}}

with all your userbox templates in there. this will make a single column of userboxes in the center of the page, kinda like how my page has, but centered instead of on the right Jackjd0 (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Fence127 (talk) 07:08, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Because I want stuff below them. Fence127 (talk) 07:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Request for second opinion before resubmitting an AfC draft

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Hi y'all!

I'd appreciate a second opinion on Draft:Social Justice in the Baháʼí Faith, which was recently declined at AfC on the basis that the draft did not maintain a sufficiently formal and neutral encyclopedic tone. The decline notice referred generally to promotional, personal, or informal language, but did not identify any specific examples.

I'd like to revise and resubmit the draft, but I want to make sure the next version addresses the actual AfC concerns rather than making broad changes.

The draft is substantial and is based primarily on academic secondary sources, including works published by Brill, Routledge, NYU Press, SUNY Press, SAGE, Praeger, and other academic publishers.

I also included critical and qualifying scholarship, including discussion of:

• Restriction of membership in the Universal House of Justice to men
• Limited extent of economic reform within Baháʼí communities
• Scale and duration of Baháʼí social and economic development projects
• Scholarly criticism of Baháʼí engagement at the United Nations

I get that the use of academic sources and the inclusion of criticism do not automatically establish compliance with WP:NPOV. I also understand that neutrality can be affected by framing, synthesis, attribution, and the way conclusions are expressed in Wikipedia’s voice. However, because the decline did not point to representative passages, I am having difficulty determining what's wrong 😑

For context, I've used Catholic social teaching as a inspiration/guide for presenting the social teachings of a religion through academic secondary sources.

Could an experienced editor please review the draft and identify a few representative passages or structural issues that should be corrected before resubmission?

I am particularly interested in concrete advice on how to tighten the article so that it meets WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:NOR, and the AfC acceptance criteria.

Thank you for any help!

ABehjat (talk) 07:16, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

ill take a look, see what i can do. i enjoy digging out npov stuff so ill probably focus on that and tone, someone else will have to give input on verifiability tho Jackjd0 (talk) 07:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Jackjd0! ABehjat (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

ok so, it very much feels like it's written from the point of view of someone who already believes in it. this shows up in a lot of ways- most prominently- your word choice. it very much feels like im reading a pamphlet from a church. the sentence structure and word choice are just. idk how to word it besides- old fashioned? like.

in the first paragraph of the lead, you write "Recurring themes include the elimination of prejudice, the equality of women and men, the abolition of the extremes of wealth and poverty, universal education, and universal peace within an international order."

i think a more neutral way to write this might be "Common themes include the elimination of prejudice, gender equality, the elimination of wealth inequality, universal education, and anti war sentiments.". try to use words and phrasing that would seem natural and normal if you were reading about an ocean or a brand of chip or something you have no investment in.

my honest advice is this

- the grammar structure and vocabulary in this article, while not technically incorrect, is very old fashioned. cut out 99% of instances of phrases like "among the highest virtues", "the oneness of humankind" "rendering to each person" etc. replace them with "very valued", "a belief in a oneness of humanity", "making sure each person has"

- go through and rewrite this start to finish, asking yourself with every sentence "would i say this if i was writing about a religion i dont believe in". if the answer is no, dont write it.

- cut out like, half the details, especially in the lead. a lead should be a broad overview, summarizing the content in the article. i shouldnt know the year of a conference or the fact that it has been compared to but found different from neoliberalism during the lead. it should be something like "this is an important thing in this faith. core principles include this this and this. there has been efforts by members to enact these, including (the 2-3 most notable examples, each summarized with 1-2 sentences).

some useful readings might include Wikipedia:Writing better articles, WP:LEAD ,Wikipedia:Be neutral in form , Wikipedia:Summary style, Wikipedia:Let the reader decide

if you like these, feel free to dig around Wikipedia:Essays in a nutshell/Article writing for more Jackjd0 (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@Jackjd0, thank you for the detailed feedback! This is great information and there's a lot to go through from here. Grammar wise, the examples you gave called out few things which I'm seeing are closely attributed to Baha'i scholars that I need to remove because they use a specific vocabulary that's very old English-like/formal. I agree on the trimming, I added a few chronological details and fluff inside the racism section, for example, when it just needs a very brief overview. Thanks again for the feedback! ABehjat (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

ABehjat, the section on "Elimination of racial prejudice" has too much of a United States perspective. In general, your draft relies almost entirely on the work of Baháʼí scholars writing about their own religion. I recommend seeking out commentary from scholars of comparative religion discussing Baháʼí social justice practices. Catholic social teaching is a delisted former Good article, and its talk page includes criticism that it over-relies on Catholic scholarship. A truly neutral article about a Baháʼí topic must incorporate the perspectives of non-Baháʼí scholars, or else it belongs on a Baháʼí website or publication, not in a neutral encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:03, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328 - I had to do a lot of edits around Garlington's because his work was limited in scope to US view and not expanded on more holistic view. I drew on comparative scholars religion scholars including Margit Warburg and Peter Smith. With regards to Baha'i scholars, that's noted, and I'll remove the views from Journal for Baha'i Studies, for other Baha'i scholars who publish through non-Baha'i channels, would that still not be applicable? I'd imagine they'd have to go through the same peer-review process as anyone else within the publishing houses they're publishing from. ABehjat (talk) 15:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Please don't use AI to talk to other editors, including to fornulate questions like this one. We have no idea whether this question is actually coming from you and represents your own understanding because you wrote it with a chatbot. Athanelar (talk) 08:34, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

It should also be noted @ABehjat that if there is any AI generated text in your draft (which given your use of AI here, I would imagine there is), that is expressly forbidden and you'll need to remove any such text from the draft. Athanelar (talk) 08:35, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, @Athanelar. I'll admit the first version of my draft was with AI but I go through a lot of steps of writing multiple versions of my draft locally before publishing (which I saw in your essay it isn't allowed either).

In this case, I'll just re-write the draft from scratch. ABehjat (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I sincerely appreciate your transparency here, and your obviously human-written response. If there's any other edits or creations you've made with AI that we might need to look over, I would appreciate if you could let us know at WP:AINB#User:ABehjat. Athanelar (talk) 16:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Sounds good - I think I may need some guidance here because I didn't do it out of ill-well (like the example for Ric Wake) :( I've been going through random articles by clicking on Random Articles, and trying to see if I can improve articles as I find them by sourcing their information via Internet Archive, news articles, and Anna's Archive for copies of journals or books and tried to expand them. I'm worried that all that effort was not worthwhile and would appreciate any clemency or guidance for future edits.

If it's ok, can we discuss more about how to approach this before I list it in the link you provided? I can head over to your talk page or we can discuss more in mine. ABehjat (talk) 16:56, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Well, the main question is to what extent you've been using AI to assist in that process. Have you been using to generate actual article text? Athanelar (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Here's my process: I sourced all information from the places I've mentioned and put them in a directory, where I also run OCR for anything that's like PDF and fix OCR issues. From there I built a RAG layer against all these sources so I can query against it like "Where was Ric Wake born?" or "Who are the artists that Ric Wake worked with?" etc. which returns the sentence/context for the question (using HuggingFace sentence transformers to build this out). The goal here is that it only retrieves information from those sources with the goal to absolutely not hallucinate and make its own content.

From these I create starting points for the LLM to work with to build the first draft. Basically I have all the sentences/points from the sources in one file and then asked the LLM to translate it into a prose-written document. You can see the evidence of heavy LLM in the first draft because it's doing the thing where it's like "Scholar A says...." or "Person B states ....", etc.

From there, I go through a lot of editing to clean the content up and verify again that there's no hallucinated content. ABehjat (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

OK, so then the answer seems to be that yes, all of your prose is AI generated. That's unfortunate; because hallucinations or no, and regardless of how complex your workflow is, AI generated prose isn't allowed in Wikipedia articles, as you're now well aware.

So the question now is; how do we go forward from here? My suggestion would be that you identify any articles you've generated in this way and we put them up for AfD and let the community decide whether NOLLM should apply or whether the articles are of sufficient quality that we should WP:IAR and allow them to remain (as we've done with Shit flow diagram and Malacca dilemma)]]

In either case, you will need to retire this workflow going forward. Athanelar (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Ok, I'll include the articles in Wikipedia:AINB#User:ABehjat :(

For future - can I use the the process up to the point where I retrieve insights from the sources but not LLM write the prose? In essence, use LLM/transformers as a retrieval tool and then I write the prose? ABehjat (talk) 19:27, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. We have no way to police what you do offwiki as part of your thought process; I will caution that it's a bad idea for various reasons, but it's not against our rules. It's only the AI generated prose which is against the rules. Athanelar (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

For sure. Thank you again for walking me through this, @Athanelar and appreciate your time. I hope the community will keep the articles I shared for now and I'll work out a new workflow for improving/writing articles. ABehjat (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I need to reference too many publications made by the subject of my draft biography

There are too many individual papers published, can I just refer to Google Scholar and what is the method, I don't think I have done it correctly. Thank you Rzevski57 (talk) 11:49, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@Rzevski57 Assuming this refers to Draft:George Rzevski then I suggest you limit the publications to his most highly cited articles, up to about six. An encyclopedia article should be a summary of someone's notable achievements, as discussed in reliable, published sources. Your key task is to demonstrate how this academic is notable as defined here. Adding huge lists of publications does not help: it is the demonstrated impact of papers that might do that, which is what citation count and the h-index are for. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict). I notice that aside from one citation in the lead paragraph, your only other citations are in the sections about his publications. However, a Wikipedia Article requires that every fact in it is cited to something written by someone unconnected to the subject and published in a Reliable source. Moreover, since the Lead paragraph should only summarise matter presented (and cited) at more length in the main body of the article, the Lead should not really need any citations at all.

To take a random example, you write ". . . he left Yugoslavia in 1965 with his wife, Jelena and daughter, Tamara, for England . . ." – in what source has this fact been published? If it hasn't, but is known to you only because of your personal connection to him, it cannot be included in a Wikipedia article.

I suggest that before proceeding further, you should read the advice at WP:Golden Rule and WP:Backwards.

That the subject is, as you have explained, your Father means that you have a Conflict of Interest in writing the article. This is allowed, but it does make your task difficult, because you effectively have to forget everything you personally know about him and only base the article on material published by other, unconnected persons.

As for publications, a selected list of a scholar's most important papers, in a section towards the end of the article, is appropriate: it is up to you to either decide which to include, or to find a disinterested source who has already made such a selection: a dozen would probably be ample. A complete or comprehensive list is definitely not appropriate: a Wikipedia article is not a Curriculum Vitae or a place to host the complete academic bibliography of a long career. I hope this helps, because the subject obviously qualifies for an article, but as you will by now have realised, writing one is a difficult and lengthy task for someone unpracticed at it. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 12:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, this is most helpful but would you kindly clarify the 2 follow on questions: how can I get around the fact that cite information is not available on Google due to the subject’s foreign provenance? I omit the info as non-provable, right? Also I can find cite information which is a professional CV on various academic sites, I presume that is not acceptable?? Thanks Rzevski57 (talk) 13:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Rzevski57.

Google is a useful tool for finding sources, but it is not the only possibility. Sources do not have to be online, and they do not have to be in English (though English sources are preferred if they are available). They do have to be reliably published, and hence in principle available to an interested reader (even if it may cost time and money to get hold of them). The important part of a citation is the bibliographic information like title, date, author, publisher, journal etc.

A professional CV, irrespective of who publishes it, is generally not independent of the subject: it can only be used to support limited information, and does not contribute to establishing Notability. ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Is TorrentLeech notable enough to have a wikipedia page?

I noticed that there's quite a few articles about BitTorrent trackers like Karagarga and T411. Since TorrentLeech is one of the oldest continuously operating trackers around, I think it would make sense to create an article about it but I'm not sure if it really fits the notability criteria.

The site doesn't seem to ever appear in the mainstream press, but it articles have been written about it in specialized blogs like TorrentFreak (example) and its functioning has been the subject of academic studies (example). WikiSeto (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@WikiSeto I haven't looked far for sources, but the first one you linked is of little use to establish notability, as it is from the company itself. Academic sources are fine and you should aim to find about three that each meet the key criterai and are not just duplicating the same information, Google scholar may help e.g. this search. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I'd look into the sources that are used on the existing articles, and as long as they do qualify for reliability I'd see whether they've published anything about this one. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I use this person as an example too often, but he's famous and obvious so I don't care. :)

My imaginary goal is to learn the history of Albert Einstein. When I do a web search for him, I find a lot of sources right away, but a lot of them are garbage - for example, there are fake quotations of things he never said, and Einstein-wannabes using twisted interpretations of his work to prop up their own bad ideas.

Another category that I dump out right away is name-drops; many people have name-dropped Einstein, and of course those aren't really about him. The same goes for any source that's not truly about Einstein, and even for sources that are about him but only contain one important fact. It's not literal name-dropping that's the problem, it's just getting rid of sources that don't actually have a lot to say about him.

After the obvious garbage is removed, still, the sources are not all equal, and there are a few important ways to sort them. For my goal, there are probably two main things: First, things written by Einstein or the people close to him are going into a separate category to read later. Second, I'll sort by size; I'm looking for his full history, so I put aside all the shorter items. (They're probably good for something, they're just not complete.)

After that, sorting the long items by who their publishers and authors are is helpful, because reputations count - specifically, if any author or publisher has a bad reputation, or if their reputation is hard to know or undefined, I'm going to reject them. Any that are long and have a good reputation are going into the "Read These First" pile.

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I guess you see where I'm going with this. :) To make a Wikipedia article, basically what you need is a "Read These First" pile that has at least three big complete items in it; if you don't have those yet, go find them before you even start. If you really can't find three big histories of the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (or at least close enough to being "big histories"), your only possibility is to give up until somebody writes those.

You also need to reject all sources that name the subject but aren't really telling a history of the subject - for example, an announcement isn't a history - and reject all that have a bad or undefined reputation.

Sources that come from the subject (or someone near the subject) can help a little, but they can't be the focus. For example, none of your three big histories can be based on things the subject said or wrote, even if the reporter has woven their own comments into it as well.

And reliable short sources are fine for adding in an important item, but you can't make an article from a bunch of short sources: short sources don't provide context, and - here's a big thing that many people miss - you're not allowed to fill in the context from things you know. The idea of "you're not allowed to explain, all explanations must be already in the sources" often turns out to be pretty hard to do. (There are times when you do have to explain something, for example if reliable sources disagree and you're pointing out the disagreement.) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer Requested Birth Date, but No Reliable Source Exists

I received feedback on my first draft. The reviewer is asking for the subject's birth date, but I haven't been able to find a reliable source for it. I need some suggestions on how to handle this.

Draft:Ray James Weldon II PageCraftsman (talk) 12:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Have you considered emailing him to ask? His email address can be found via the Faculty Bio and Research website links in his Departmental profile, which you have already cited. A third-party Reliable source is ideally preferred, and he might be able to tell you of such a source where his birth date has been published, but if there is none we would probably accept a published source connected to him (which we might not if he was, for example, a film actor). However, a mere email from him to you would not be acceptable since it would not be accessible for verification by article readers. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

searched for a reliable published source for Professor Weldon's birth date and also attempted to contact him, but I have been unable to verify it. Rather than adding unsourced information, I have left the birth date omitted in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy. I have, however, reviewed the draft and addressed the wording where appropriate before resubmitting. PageCraftsman (talk) 13:12, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Your decision to not include a synthesized birth date was a wise decision. If the only reason for the draft decline is the absence of a birth date, I'd post a comment at the top of the draft and say the same thing that you've just told us. Then resubmit. —Scottyoak2 (talk) 13:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion. That's exactly the approach I've taken. I searched the University of Oregon profile, the subject's publicly available CV, and other publicly available sources but could not find a verifiable birth date or birth year. Rather than adding unsourced information, I left it omitted in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy, added an explanatory comment to the draft, and have now resubmitted it for review. PageCraftsman (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

There is no requirement to add DOB, in fact considering various privacy etc. concerns, it may even be better not to show one, and certainly not without reliable published source to back it up. The draft shows when he graduated and got his PhD, so we know it's a contemporary figure, not some Age of Enlightenment one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. I have left the birth date omitted, added an explanatory note to the draft, and resubmitted it for review. PageCraftsman (talk) 14:11, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I'm a little baffled that the reviewer was more concerned with DOB than potential copyvio. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes, there is something odd about that, unless they had good reasons but didn't mention the reasons. Then again, having reasons but not mentioning them is in itself odd. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 18:45, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Ah. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Advice on a draft (Declared COI and notability check for a French musician)

Hello everyone! I am a new editor and I need some guidance regarding a draft I have been working on: Draft:Thierry Wone.

To be fully transparent, I have a declared Conflict of Interest (I am currently interning at his company, and I have disclosed this on my user page). Because of this, I am strictly following the rules and submitting through the Articles for Creation process.

My question is: Could an experienced editor take a quick look and let me know if my formatting, neutral tone, and sources (which include national platforms like Radio France and regional press like L'Ardennais) meet the general notability guidelines?

The draft was previously declined for insufficient sourcing, and I just want to make sure I'm on the right track while waiting for another review.

I would appreciate any feedback! Thank you! Digitaloutlier (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

From the sources you have now, can you name just three, that if readers would just read those three, then you would be satisfied that they know the whole story of Thierry Wone - so that it doesn't really matter if they read your article? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 14:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to help! Actually, right after you asked this, another editor unfortunately declined the draft.

However, to answer your question, I'd say yes. And the three sources I was hoping would establish notability were EARMILK (2020) (covering his international collaborations), L'Ardennais (2020) (covering his solo career) and Leral (2014) (covering his early background and family influences).

Since it was declined, I assume these were not enough. I'm trying to figure out how to rewrite to meet the criteria. Digitaloutlier (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

L'Ardennais is paywalled, so I can't review that one, but the EARMILK post is a brief description of a single track and appears to be more of a blog (not considered reputable), whereas the Leral article is an interview, making it a primary source rather than secondary. ChompyTheGogoat (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately, rewriting would just be "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic". What's needed is several sources that each tell the full story of Wone's career, without any words from him or his team. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

The reason I ask this: Sources are not for examples and support. Sources are the whole story, and if we go through the article and remove everything that came from a source, there must be nothing left. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 14:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

@Digitaloutlier I would suggest you read my advice for paid editors and understand that what your employer is expecting you to do is nearly impossible. Athanelar (talk) 16:49, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Digitaloutlier Note that an intern is explicitly considered to be a paid editor according to the paid editing policy, even if you receive no money; you are being compensated with the work experience. You will need to make the paid editing disclosure on your user page. 331dot (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Liverpool Airport, 4 new routes need adding from the Talk section

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_John_Lennon_Airport

The above airport page needs 4 new routes adding to the destinations section of the page. All links and topics have been added to the Talk section.

I'm unaware how to action this otherwise I would complete.

Could someone help please? ~2026-29417-14 (talk) 19:53, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello and welcome! You can just be bold and add them yourself. If you need technical help at the editing screen, check out this tutorial. Feel free to ask any more questions you have. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

What the process

Hey! I'm interested in becoming a Wikipedia editor. Could you please guide me on how to get started and what the process is? Angrybirdsuperstar (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Angrybirdsuperstar, and welcome to the Teahouse.

You are a Wikipedia editor - you've just edited a page (but not an encyclopaedia article, it's true).

I suggest you start with Help:Introduction.

Then find some areas of knowledge that interest you, and look at some articles in those areas, and see if you can improve them. Copy editing is a place to start; and far and away the most valuable thing you can do for an article is to add citations to reliable sources, where these are not provided. Finding sources can be challenging, but it is the core of what we do here, and a worthwhile skill to learn. See Citing sources and reliable sources.

A couple of notes of caution:

• Don't worry too much about making mistakes: we all make mistakes, and if you are obviously editing in good faith, the worst that will happen is that somebody will revert your edit. If that happens, have a look at the edit summary they left (you'll find it in the History of the article), and learn from what they say. (If they don't give an explanation, or you don't understand it, put a polite question on their User talk page, asking them to explain).
• Don't run before you can walk. A distressing number of new editors plunge straight into the most challenging task there is in editing Wikipedia: trying to create a new article. I advise leaving it a good few weeks or months before you try that. Remember that that is not the only way to contribute to Wikipedia: I've made nearly 30 thousand edits over twenty years, but I've only ever created a handful of new articles.

Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Naming BLP articles for multiple people with same name

I'm looking to start a new article about Chris Kohler, an Australian financial journalist (and YouTuber, podcaster). There's currently an article for Chris Kohler, a Scottish writer. I figure that once the Aussie Chris Kohler article is established and promoted to main space, the existing Scottish one would probably get moved to "Chris Kohler (writer)", and Aussie would probably be named "Chris Kohler (journalist)".

But for completeness' sake, searching the web for possibly more notable people with the name, there's a Chris Kohler who's an American, former video game journalist (cited several times in WP video game articles), who is now "Editorial Director" at Digital Eclipse video game studios. He's probably notable enough to justify his own article. What would be the best name for his article? "Chris Kohler (journalist)" would probably make sense, if that's his most notable role. But what's the best article names for the Aussie financial journalist and the American games journalist? Should it be something like "Chris Kohler (finance journalist)" and "Chris Kohler (game journalist)", or "Chris Kohler (Australian journalist)" and "Chris Kohler (American journalist)", or something else altogether?

I'm just looking to minimize the amount of potential renaming of the articles by getting it right up front.  — sbb (talk) 21:24, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I get the feeling that it's better to not try to predict the future of article naming, and instead to name what we now have.

Also, I don't know whether one of these people is much more well-known than the others overall, but if one of them is, it's possible that that one should be titled "Chris Kohler" without a further designation. (Being equitable by making all of them have a disambiguator is not necessarily part of the process.) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 21:44, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

That makes sense. I suppose the issue would be resolved (if it's even an issue) at article promotion time anyways. Thanks!  — sbb (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2026 (UTC)