Talk:Koppa

Suggest renaming of article to "Qoppa"

I find it much more intuitive to call the letter from which our modern Qq descends from with the name Qoppa. Plus, this may eliminate some confusion with Cyrillic Koppa, though an argument could be made to change that one's name as well. I think just renaming Greek Koppa to Qoppa is a good idea, but this is not really necessary. DdeWylvyn (talk) 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree. The current name is absurd. I just tried moving it, but the existing redirect might be preventing that.

Temerarius (talk) 18:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

2 of the 3 RS's are available to me, and both use the q spelling, so agreed. — kwami (talk) 07:27, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I moved it to the 'Greek letter' dab. If someone wants to get rid of the unnecessary dab, they can request it. — kwami (talk) 07:34, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

BTW, even Italian WP spells it 'qoppa', and they don't even have a 'q'. — kwami (talk) 07:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

'Q' exists in Italian, e.g. questo. But qoppa of course does not conform normal Italian spelling conventions (which would give *coppa). Burzuchius (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

(brain fart - of course it's 'k' that's missing) — kwami (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I put in a request at WP:RM/TR. Double sharp (talk) 14:16, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 24 October 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Closing as moved to Koppa, with Koppa moved to Koppa (disambiguation). CoconutOctopus talk 13:58, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

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Koppa (letter) → QoppaQoppa – Remove unnecessary disambiguation. Double sharp (talk) 14:16, 24 October 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. HundredVisionsAndRevisions (talk) 17:24, 31 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 02:43, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Longstanding stable title is Koppa (letter). Is "Qoppa" more prevalent in reliable English-language sources? 162 etc. (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

  Solely on a procedural basis, I'm restoring the stable longstanding title for the purposes of this discussion. The move yesterday to Qoppa (Greek letter)Qoppa (Greek letter) seems to have been prompted by #c-Kwamikagami-20251023072700-DdeWylvyn-20240126144200 above, a reply made yesterday to a 2024 comment. I will see if I can ask WP:RFPP to unprotect QoppaQoppa on the basis of a related 2022 log entry. I have no opinion on the title itself. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:17, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Future Perfect at Sunrise: does Qoppa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) still need protection? Pinging you here instead of on your user talk for the additional context. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:47, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

  Qoppa is a known spelling in scholarly work, and gaining some ground in books even though it still lags behind koppa. I think the Q spelling makes sense, both as natural disambiguation (preferable per the link to parenthetical disambiguation), and also because this letter is an ancestor of Latin Q. Also, the current title seems inadequate to me: the Cyrillic koppa is just as much a letter as the Greek one. Double sharp (talk) 18:05, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

  Cyrillic koppa is more of a number than a letter. See Cyrillic numerals. 162 etc. (talk) 18:46, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

  Firstly, that doesn't stop it from being listed as a letter in Unicode, and secondly, for most of its lifetime Greek qoppa was equally well more of a number than a letter. Double sharp (talk) 04:33, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

• Move to Koppa. Per OP's statement above, "Qoppa" is not the most prevalent spelling in sources. This article receives about 2/3rds of the total pageviews and is primary per WP:PT1. Move dabpage to Koppa (disambiguation); keep Qoppa as a primary redirect. 162 etc. (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Greece and WikiProject Writing systems have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 02:44, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Support 162 etc.'s alternative proposal of making this the primary topic. I believe the Greek letter might also meet WP:PT2; it has existed longer than the other entries at the disambiguation page. So:

• Koppa (letter) → Koppa
• Koppa → Koppa (disambiguation)

Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 03:38, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Also, since it has been stated above that Koppa is more common than Qoppa, the article should be edited to reflect that, but this is a separate issue. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 03:44, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

• Support Koppa ← Metallurgist (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Follow up to RM above

Historical age is not definitive per WP:DPT, so my comment saying "the letter has long-term significance because it has existed longer" is incorrect. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 03:02, 12 December 2025 (UTC)