Talk:Progressive Muslim vote
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Requested move 10 December 2020
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move. BD2412 T 04:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Progressive Muslim vote → Muslim left – Moving to Muslim left is a better more descriptive title in accordance to other similar examples like Jewish left and Christian left as the article mostly deals with Western countries. Currently Muslim Left redirects to Liberalism and progressivism within Islam a Muslim left with Islamic socialism, so changing those redirects would be needed. This is the perfect article to solve the issue of such weird double redirect that with only a different spelling redirect to different articles. --CDLCR (talk) 17:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think I support this, as per nom. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. I think the title "Muslim left" suits better the article Liberalism and progressivism within Islam. "Muslim left" shouldn't be only about voting in Western countries. Vpab15 (talk) 15:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Vpab15 I don't think Liberalism would apply to be "left" as, except for the US, is not considered left-wing anywhere else. In any case, I did added some cases from Asia recently. --Carachos (talk) 03:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- You are right that "liberal" can mean many things, but when used to refer to religious liberalism, that is usually to the left of religious fundamentalism or religious orthodoxy. I still think Liberalism and progressivism within Islam is more suited to be renamed to Muslim left. Vpab15 (talk) 14:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources that confirm that? Because as a non-American I can also confirm that liberalism sounds right-wing to me. --CDLCR (talk) 07:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- You are right that "liberal" can mean many things, but when used to refer to religious liberalism, that is usually to the left of religious fundamentalism or religious orthodoxy. I still think Liberalism and progressivism within Islam is more suited to be renamed to Muslim left. Vpab15 (talk) 14:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Vpab15 I don't think Liberalism would apply to be "left" as, except for the US, is not considered left-wing anywhere else. In any case, I did added some cases from Asia recently. --Carachos (talk) 03:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, I don't think this article needs the "Muslim left" rename, since it is specifically talking about votes rather than right wing vs left wing opinions. - Wakemeup38 (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Move to Western Muslim left, as the article primarily regards the phenomenon in western states. BrxBrx(talk)(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}}) 02:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- FTR, moving to Western Muslim left or Muslim left in the West would be perfectly acceptable alternatives to me. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- The article mentions also the cases of India and Israel. --CDLCR (talk) 10:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- FTR, moving to Western Muslim left or Muslim left in the West would be perfectly acceptable alternatives to me. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Strong oppose: the article isn't about anything even remotely close to the "Muslim left". It's about a case of voting phenomenon. Not all politics is about voting; the phenomenon is only about non-Muslim majority countries; and voting for a left-wing party doesn't mean you are left-wing (you may e.g. just dislike other candidates more or agree only on a single issue that is important to you). — Bilorv (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Are Muslims really "socially conservative" like the introduction part of the article claims?
[edit]Polygamy is permissible within Islam but hardly conservative from a western-christian view point, same with child marriage, sexual intercourse with a child which is legally possible within some islamic societies but considered deeply immoral by western standards. Or think about "mutah" in Shia Islam or islamic suicide bombers in Sunni Islam killing themselves expecting basically a brothel in afterlife. This isn`t conservative at all. 62.226.93.126 (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- The things you mention are neither conservative nor progressive, but just illegal and considered immoral in the West. Vpab15 (talk) 14:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)