Talk:Munich massacre

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"West German neo-Nazis provided logistical assistance to the group"

The claim very early in the article is that "West German neo-Nazis provided logistical assistance to the group."

That is a deliberate attempt to mislead readers.

There were no neo-Nazis involved in the planning and execution of the attack. The linked Spiegel article tries hard to convince its readers that neo-Nazis were somehow involved and says "...is it now necessary to consider the story ... in a new light? Yes at least in part." But whenever it becomes more concrete, they write things like "...it is still unclear today whether..." or "The question remains unanswered to this day.".

All they do is create a smoke-screen with the aim of taking the leftists (Red Army Faction, RAF) out of the equation, who strongly sympathized with the attackers and publicly welcomed the attack.

But in any case, the truth is that: "Black September didn't need any German logistic assistance." Which they do in fact write. But only to make sure no-one will ask for potential connections to the Red Army Faction.

A key conclusion of the article is very revealing...: "Until now, many experts assumed that it was left-wing extremists who had had ties to Black September, helping the terrorists find places to stay in Munich, for example. ... But according to the released documents, such statements must now be treated as myths."

- Evidently, all the journalists at Spiegel cared about is to take potential blame away from their RAF friends. 138.246.3.57 (talk) 22:01, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. Refined the text contributed by a former editor by making a qualification edit to ensure accuracy after reviewing the provided source. Nightsturm (talk) 15:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Afif and “Jewish Mother”

In the “attack and hostage taking” section of the article it says “According to the author Simon Reeve, Afif (the son of a Jewish mother and Christian father)” however on the page for Afif it says “Biographies of Afif claimed that his mother was Jewish, while his father was a wealthy Christian Arab businessman. However, both his family and Israel's interior ministry records dispute the claim about his mother. According to the records, his mother, Arifa, was born in 1920 to Hassan and Amina.” Is it possible to update this page (or Afif’s page) so that the two pages are consistent? Tiakat333 (talk) 21:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Palestinian information three weeks before claim

The statement "West German authorities had received a tip-off from a Palestinian informant in Beirut three weeks before the massacre" is not supported by the citation "The Munich massacre and the proliferation of counterterrorism special operation forces". The relevant part of the cited article, on page 629, reads:

In 2012 it was revealed that concrete intelligence from multiple sources regarding a potential attack by Palestinian functions at the Olympic games was known to the security forces, but no contingency plan was established. The West German newspaper Der Spiegel even revealed that a psychologist working for the Munich police wrote about 26 possible scenarios at the Olympic games, one of which was an invasion of Palestinian elements to the Olympic village.

No mention of a Palestinian source, no mention of Beirut, no mention of three weeks. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

The statement is in the second source within the paragraph. I have removed the misplaced source and properly repositioned the correct one. Nightsturm (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 July 2025

Change "hostage-takers" to "terrorists" article sometimes uses one term or the other, change all to "terrorists" In one place, Andre Spitzer is misspelled as "Andrei" and Kehat Shorr as "Schor" Adamrish (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Partly done. I fixed the misspelled names. I'm not sure about changing "hostage-takers" to "terrorists", not because of neutrality concerns (everybody should agree that taking Olympic athletes hostage is an act of terrorism), but because it adds some variation. I will leave the edit request marked unanswered so maybe others will weigh in. –CWenger (^ • @) 21:43, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

See Talk:Munich massacre#Hostage-taker or terrorist? Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2025

Change “According to the author Simon Reeve, Afif (the son of a Jewish mother and Christian father), Nazzal” to “According to the author Simon Reeve, Afif, Nazzal”

I am requesting this edit because, as I wrote on the talk page some time ago, the claim that Afif had a Jewish mother is not consistent with the page for Afif as an individual, which instead states: “Tiakat333 (talk) 22:11, 1 September 2025 (UTC)Biographies of Afif claimed that his mother was Jewish, while his father was a wealthy Christian Arab businessman.[4][5] However, both his family and Israel's interior ministry records dispute the claim about his mother. According to the records, his mother, Arifa, was born in 1920 to Hassan and Amina.” That article is more extensively sourced regarding this specific piece of information so I believe it is more reliable, and thus the Munich Massacre page should be edited to be reflect the information on Afif’s page, instead of the other way around. Tiakat333 (talk) 22:11, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, somehow I seem to have included an extra signature and time stamp in the middle of that paragraph. Please disregard. Tiakat333 (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The article for Afif Ahmed Hamid does not contain that quote, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Day Creature (talk) 15:53, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

This is regarding Luttif Afif Tiakat333 (talk) 07:17, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Let me know if you have trouble finding the quote on the page for Luttif Afif. It is in the “Early Life” section Tiakat333 (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

@Day Creature it won’t let me reset the answered parameter to no Tiakat333 (talk) 07:57, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I had the wrong Afif. Thank you for clarifying. I have implemented your requested edit because the information about his parents' religion/ethnicity is dubious and also seems irrelevant. Day Creature (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2025 (UTC)