Talk:Money Musk

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https://photos.google.com/search/moneymusk/photo/AF1QipOSesdtWQWvPqJiafjEz7bKr80BC7BuyAAgSOlx

https://www.strathspey.org/lists/strathspey@strathspey.org/t/7857/

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Money_musk/tohm1zEMHIUC?gbpv=1

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=0&id=f5_WAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Moneymusk

https://davidsmukler.syracusecountrydancers.org/projects/bring-back-money-musk/

https://www.cdss.org/programs/cdss-news-publications/cdss-online-library/cracking-chestnuts

https://www.cdss.org/programs/cdss-news-publications/cdss-online-library/cracking-chestnuts/cracking-chestnuts-videos

https://www.cdss.org/cracking-chestnuts-collection/toc/money-musk-compilation

https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Money_Musk_(1)

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cracking_Chestnuts/do0mMwEACAAJ?hl=en

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Money+Musk%22&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS869US869&sxsrf=ALeKk032lXN_aG8qQToM9GKc22QO2Ahw5g:1611963455298&ei=P5wUYO7wEYXZ5gLjw4yAAw&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiujJPpp8LuAhWFrFkKHeMhAzAQ8NMDegQIEhBI&biw=1366&bih=568

https://www.loc.gov/item/afcreed000238/

{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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Money Musk

• ... that Thomas Jefferson and Henry Ford both took an interest in the folk tune and contra dance "Money Musk" (pictured)? Source: Jefferson: Ford:

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Australian nationality law
• Comment: How long has it been since we last had a video DYK? I think the video here is the main draw, so I'd definitely like to see it appear with the hook. |thumbtime=60 should be set so that it's showing the dance rather than the musicians (I've made a relevant technical request). I'm not sure what language goes in the hook ("pictured"? "depicted"? "see video"? "videod"?), but we should use whatever is standard (or decide on/document a standard if none exists).

Moved to mainspace by Sdkb (talk). Self-nominated at 09:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC).

Side discussion on previous video DYKs

• Not doing a complete review. How long has it been since we last had a video DYK?—Well, just over a month! I have nominated 2 articles with the video of "Daisy (advertisement)", both having made to the main page as the lead hook, with the video in 2021. See this and this. I don't know whether we have a list of video DYKs. There may be many, but the only other which I had noticed was "We choose to go to the Moon". In all the three cases, (pictured) was used. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Also, see this discussion here. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  I missed those ones, but they look like great DYKs! "Daisy" is a really interesting commercial and I'm glad to see it as an FA! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to me! ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 23:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! For the language, I liked (video shown) from here, but I'll leave it to the promoter to decide between that and (pictured). Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:41, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Sdkb: I'm a little concerned about image licensing here—the source isn't the most clear-cut. Can we verify that it's CC by SA 4.0? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:13, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

  @Theleekycauldron: Yeah, the process there was a little unusual, but happy to clarify. The video is own work by Wikipedian Dugan Murphy, who I know off-wiki. I solicited it, and when there were some technical difficulties, Dugan sent it to me and I handled the uploading. However, the edit releasing the license was made by Dugan at commons:Special:Diff/541230770, so it is CC by SA 4.0. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I can corroborate that. I shot this video on my phone and couldn't manage to upload it myself, so I sent it to Sdkb, who uploaded it for me. I released the copyright. Dugan Murphy (talk) 13:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P1

Discussion about whom

My recollection was that David Millstone & David Smukler, along with perhaps some CDSS Youth Interns spearheaded the "bring back Money Musk" effort in 2009. Perhaps Dugan Murphy knows? - Aberwulf — Preceding undated comment added 01:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Ladies and gents

@sdkb, though I am a strong proponent of Larks & Robins, I'm not sure its a good fit for an article on Money Musk. It's an old dance, and for over 200 years, it was called with gents and ladies. I edit the article on [Kievan Rus'], which is constantly bombarded with demands that we change it to Kyivan Rus', because we now call Kiev by its Ukranian name Kyiv. But we refuse to change it, because the vast majority of scholarly work on the topic calls it Kievan. This is based on WP:COMMONNAME. Now, ladies/gents vs. robins/larks is not exactly analogous, but I'd argue that the vast majority of references in the article use gents/ladies or men/women. Also, non-contradancers will see 'lark-role' and 'robin-role' and think What?!??. I'd prefer changing gents to 'traditional gents' or 'traditional men', and similarly for ladies. I favor explaining gender-neutral terms to Wikipedia readers, but I question whether an article on Money Musk is the place to do it. Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi Paul! I can't really argue with your logic — the change was somewhat IAR on the basis that, if someone wrote about the dance post-pandemic (which they haven't), I suspect they'd use gender-neutral terms following the broader trend. If you revert I won't object. One thing that might be good, though, would be to link to an explanation of contra role terms, the same way we do some figures. Sdkb ^talk 15:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Not the Scottish version

I didn't edit it to treat the Scottish version as the main version, I edited it to have the 1785 dance notation as the version given in the article because if we must have one version of a 200+ year old dance treated as "definitive", it shouldn't be a modern version, especially since all set dancing, including contra, is a niche hobby these days. Did you read the content of my changes at all or just revert the entire article? (And the link in ref. 3 is broken.) 68.134.181.91 (talk) 11:18, 10 July 2025 (UTC)