Talk:Lead climbing

GA Review

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Nominator: Aszx5000 (talk · contribs) 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: IntentionallyDense (talk · contribs) 03:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I will review this soon. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	see comments below. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	2c. it contains no original research.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	See comment below.IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
	7. Overall assessment.	I'm going to place this on hold while the nominator fixes the one thing I commented on and so that I can get a second opinion. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• where the 'lead climber' clips their rope to the climbing protection as they ascend a pitch of the climbing route, while their 'second' (or 'belayer') I would define both lead climber and second in the lead. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• I'm feeling a bit in over my head with the amount of technical language used in this article so I'm going to ask for a second opinion regarding the technical language used throughout the article. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Since the reviewer asked for a second opinion: I agree that the article is a bit too technical, especially the lead. See Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable. Especially in the lead, we should avoid or explain technical terms as best as possible to make the text accessible. Some terms could be replaced by more common words or short descriptions (which can still be linked to the technical article), or can be avoided by simplification (e.g., maybe you don't need the term "pitch" in the first sentence of the lead at all). The first sentence is especially difficult, since it already seems to assume that the reader knows that two climbers connected by a rope are involved; I guess it should be simplified to its essence. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you this sums up what my worries were. I appreciate the input! IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks @IntentionallyDense and @Jens Lallensack and I understand the concern. Let me think about how to fix this for you and I will ping you both back when I have redone. thanks again for your input and patience! Aszx5000 (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

• Just a reminder to Aszx5000 that this article has been on hold for over a week now. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Failing due to inactivity. IntentionallyDense (talk) 22:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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@IntentionallyDense:: Hi there, and sorry about not being around to complete this GA review, which you so helpfully engaged in. I am back on WP and have time to complete this if you were interested in re-engaging. I have made material changes to the article and particularly the lede and first section to simplify and clarify the descriptions, which hopefully will help to address the concerns that you correctly raised. However, completely understand if you cannot re-engage, and I can re-submit to the general GA queue if that is the case. Thanks, Aszx5000 (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Aszx5000 (talk · contribs) 12:22, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 23:01, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Looks interesting! I will review this within a week or two. ❧ LunaEatsTuna (talk), proudly editing since 2018 (and just editing since 2017) – posted at 23:01, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Copyvio check

No concerns here.

Lead

More like.. Lead climbing harharhar. :)

• After their first mention, you no longer need to use the ' quotation marks for words like second and lead climber.
  •  Done
• The images are very good and helpful, but there is a lot of them and on smaller devices it does end up unfortunately squishing the text. I think you should remove the four images (the two image pairs) in the § Equipment section, as they seem less vital compared to the others IMO.
  •  Done I have trimmed half the images (taken 2 of the 4 out) and trimmed the caption and put them side-by-side. I would like to show the two versions of lead climbing (traditional and sport) as the lead climbing equipment is very different for each one? Hope that works?

Description

• You can remove “(see image .1)” and “(see image .2)” as the diagram is quite large and hard to miss.
  •  Done
• "If a 'lead climber' falls" – I think is better as "If the lead climber falls" in this context.
  •  Done
• Remove the italics from at least.
  •  Done
• "Note that when the 'second' is climbing" – how about "In contrast, when the second is climbing" instead?
  •  Done
• "partially 'pulled' up" – no need for it to have quotation marks.
  •  Done
• In the first sentence of the fourth paragragh, un-wikilink belaying as it has been wikilinked before in this same section.
  •  Done
• I am a bit confused on what "The act and desire to 'lead' a climbing route is related to the definition of what is a first ascent (FA), or first free ascent (FFA) in climbing" means.
  •  Done. Have changed to Leading a climbing route is required to satisfy the definition of what is a first ascent (FA), or a first free ascent (FFA), in climbing.
• "early-1980s" – should be "early 1980s”.
  •  Done

Risk

• I think the bullet points for this section can be removed.
  •  Done
• "that it won't rip out" – change to "that it will not rip out".
  •  Done
• No need for italics on at least here either.
  •  Done
• Remove "Ironically" as emotive (e.g. non-encyclopaedic) language.
  •  Done
• Remove the italics from behind as well.
  •  Done

Equipment

• "Their 'second'—who will be belaying—will" – this does not use spaces whereas the other sentences with dashes do; I believe that either is acceptable on WP, but use one for consistency.
  •  Done; added the space
• "often referred to as a 'climbing rack' and is usually worn" – should be either "often referred to as a 'climbing rack' and usually worn" or "which is often referred to as a 'climbing rack' and is usually worn".
  •  Done; latter version
• Rephrase "and/or" per WP:AND/OR.
  •  Done

Multi-pitch leading

• "Longer climbing routes (e.g. such as in big wall climbing), are" – remove the comma. Relatedly:
  •  Done
• I would phrase it as "Longer climbing routes (such as in big wall climbing)".
  •  Done
• "The 'second' also needs to be comfortable" – how about "The second must also be comfortable"?
  •  Done
• Remove the italics from simultaneously.
  •  Done
• I would do "The lead climber acts like on a normal lead climb whereas the second does not remain belaying".
  •  Done

Spotcheck

All good on the refs I checked.

I apologise immensely for the wait. I have (finally) left my comments above and have now placed this article on hold to allow for you to make any improvements. Please ping me once you are finished so that I can know when to take another look; but also, feel free to ask any questions or refute any of my proposed changes. ❧ LunaEatsTuna (talk), proudly editing since 2018 (and just editing since 2017) – posted at 00:55, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi @LunaEatsTuna. Thank you so much for those great comments almost all of which I have incorporated into the article (just the four images I have trimmed by half instead of removing). Absolutely no need to apologise for the wait and your review is much appreciated ! Hopefully my comments and changes work for you and look forward to your feedback. Aszx5000 (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Nice work! I am really happy with the changes, as well as what you did with the images. I am happy now to pass this wonderful article for GA status. Congrats! ❧ LunaEatsTuna (talk), proudly editing since 2018 (and just editing since 2017) – posted at 23:24, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:39, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Adam Ondra lead climbing in the combined event at the 2024 Summer Olympics

• ... that lead climbing (pictured) will be a standalone medal event at the 2028 Summer Olympics?

• Source: https://www.olympics.com/en/news/sport-climbing-la28-what-new-olympic-format-means-for-sport

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/U (Underscores album)

Improved to Good Article status by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 12:31, 12 May 2026 (UTC).

• New enough GA. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out. No issues with the text itself. Aszx5000, a paragraph lacks inline citations, which must be fixed for DYK: Where the lead climber is following... This is the only thing needing fixing. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:12, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Sammi Brie, I think I have fixed that now so hopefully that works? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:21, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

We are good to go. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 21:16, 22 May 2026 (UTC)