Talk:Ibn Hazm

Shi'a Islam

Ibn Hazm doesn't want to worship Allah, and when he discovered that Persian people tried to break into the Muhammadan faith through Shi'a teachings he condemned them.

(I want this point to be highlighted in this article).

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Shi'a

Ibn Hazm doesn't want to worship Allah, and when he discovered that the Persian people are trying to connect with the Qur'an through Shi'a teachings related to Ali, he condemned them.

(I want this point to be highlighted in the article).

43.242.178.45 (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Ibn Hazm devoted his life to worshipping Allah. He called out the Shia for the fact that they do not worship Allah (alone and without partners) because they deify Ali, worship at graves, pray to saints and ayatollahs and cause fitnsh against the people of Tawhid. ibn Hazm didn't criticize Persian people as he claimed Persian ancestry himself, and he held a high view of Ali and his sons and cursed Yazid for what happened at Karbala. He criticized falsehood and shirk, so you can stop trolling with the whole Shia troll 'he didn't want to worship Allah" nonsense. ~2026-50814-45 (talk) 16:07, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

Influenced?????

No mention of ibn arabi, ibn sabin, ibn al arif.... 80.31.68.48 (talk) 23:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

why?

Why was it added that his origin is Persian by an anonymous account even though this claim has been refuted? 5.45.141.202 (talk) 12:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

It was added because he himself claimed it. Even if it's disputed by modern historians, it's still relevant because it's what he claimed. Two thoughts can also be true at the same time. He didn't claim to be full blooded Persian. He claimed a distant many times great grandfather was a Persian scribe who worked for the Umayyad court. That doesn't mean that his father could have been a Christian convert of local stock while still having a distant Persian ancestors, especially since a lot of the Umayyad courtiers intermarried with the Christian nobility to cement political alliances.

It could be a false genealogy, which was common enough in Spain, but it's a overstatement to say that his Persian ancestry was entirely refuted. ~2026-50814-45 (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

thank you for fixing this ibn hazm wasnt a athari

but couldnt we agree his creed aligns with almohad doctrine Muslim.luffy (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

ibn Hazm began his life in the Umayyad court where various GrecoRoman and Mutazilah philosophical approaches to Islam were the norm. After realizing he knew very little about proper Islam when he entered a mosque to pray after the death of his beloved, he devoted the rest of his life to searching for the truth.

His creed was highly syncretic.

He was highly critical of anyone who denied the attributes of Allah, which means he was an Athari in that respect as he did not deny the attributes of Allah (such as the Mutazilah) or interpret them as metaphors - using kalam, or interpretive philosophy - (such as the Ashari) since he viewed that as tantamount to denying a portion of the Quran. However, he was ferociously critical of the Athari motto of bi la Kay (without asking how), arguing aql (reason/logic) and kalam are not the same thing and arguing against the standard Athari blind faith (bi la Kay). He argued that bi la Kay was a form of anthropomorphism and that standard Athari Aqida was a form of shirk.

To resolve this, he declared the attributes were linguistic descriptions of essential qualities of what makes Allah Allah and that they were not divisible, proportional or able to be geographically or spatially present (or above creation). To this end, while he used a general Athari approach, he was highly critical of mainstream Atharism.

Ibn Taymiyyah criticized him as using Athari methodology to affirm Mutazilah beliefs, although arguing that his rejection of speculative philosophy (kalam) and textual methodology places his as a misguided believer rather than a true heretic.

The Almohad doctrine, while using ibn Hazm's legal textbooks as a base for their judicial system, was more or less a standard Mutazilah aqida blended with Ghazalean spiritualism existing in a Zahiri/Hazmite legal structure and was not particularly based on any of ibn Hazm's works on aqida. ibn Hazm predated the Almohads for a few hundred years, and the Almohad doctrine also had a lot of personal teachings from ibn Tumart that were completely unrelated to Zahirism of ibn Hazm's teachings. ~2026-50814-45 (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2026 (UTC)