Talk:Hornpipe

comments on the article as of November, 2008

Looks like good stuff, unfortunately references aren't doen in a useful way. Hope someone with those books, etc, comes back and updates with refereneces for each section/paragraph. Meanwhile, I'll add a bit. Steve Pastor (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

solo dance

Should mention that it's typically a solo dance... AnonMoos (talk) 03:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Accuracy and history.

Im afraid that this article is not accurate.

The history of the english hornpipe did not start on sailing vessels. See http://chrisbrady.itgo.com/dance/stepdance/hornpipe_conference.htm Additionally there is a history between hornpipes played swung and those played straight. In eCeilidh (modern english country dancing) the swung hornpipes are used for a step-hop dance. I can edit and help out when I get the time. There is also a lot more to say on Triple Time Hornpipes of the North of England - particular Northumberland and Lancashire. Additionally a lot of research was put in by Pete Stewart in Three Extraordinary Collections. Like I said Ill help out when I can...will be sometime in the next couple of months. Barryspearce (talk) 01:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I would tend to agree on the lack of accuracy of this article and the fact it does not cover the modern development of the hornpipe as a country/ceildh dance. It seems to have been cribbed from some dubious sources and makes no mention of the development of the original hornpipe display dance specifically as a *stage* dance Ecadre (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Ive finally got around to making a few desperately needed changes. Lots more is really required but at least its now not completely duff!

Barryspearce (talk) 01:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

The likelihood of the instrumental origins can be found in the Welsh pibgorn, originally a form of shawm fitted with a sheep's horn for a bell, later fitted to a country bagpipe stock. pib=pipe, gorn=horn (the g's an ellision when the composition of the words happened). 2.219.80.141 (talk) 04:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Homosexual preening dance?

Given the harsh conditions aboard vessels in those days, wasn't the Sailor's Hornpipe viewed more as a homosexual preening dance than anything else? Can anyone find scholarly sources to support this view? TinkersDam (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you misunderstand the culture of the late 18th Century. There was a lot of spare time, and music a commonplace. Dance was a feature of country life, from Playford's onwards, so transferred with the Press Gang. 2.219.80.141 (talk) 03:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Instrumentation

The article needs information on traditional instruments associated with the folk dance. An Etymology section would help. It seems fairly obvious that the name of the dance comes from the instrument known as a hornpipe, but folk etymology is risky: as far as information in the article is concerned, it might as well be eponymous with the first sailor to dance it, Lieut. Horatio Hornblower. ;-) D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 17:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

2025 Overhaul

This article had 6 citations when I started referencing it in order to edit "The Sailor's Hornpipe". Most of the references were to websites. More importantly, the article was extremely light on details, particularly about the dance.

There are now two separate sections for the hornpipe dance and the music. There are also 43 citations to books and articles. There is enough here to point readers and other editors in the right direction.

Wikipedia's dance content seems underdeveloped. I learned a lot by editing this article and tried to make the difference clear between the country and step dance hornpipes. I'm not sure it is. I think both forms of the dance could be explained in more depth. The Beauchamp-Feuillet notation might be a good place to start.

Whether the dance and music sections get separated into two articles will be the decision of future editors. There is certainly enough material to justify a split. Furthermore, having them both in the same article is a little confusing.Trumpetrep (talk) 03:47, 1 November 2025 (UTC)