Talk:First Islamic state

Sheikh Hassan Saffar, a Saudi cleric, gave a speech on the Prophetic Leadership Approach, or the Prophet's Leadership Approach, and in that speech he said that, according to Shiite and Sunni religious sources, the title of the Prophet was the Messenger of God, and the title of the Prophet of Islam during the ten years he ruled was Qa'id or Qa'id al-Mu'minin.

Sheikh Hassan Saffar, a Saudi cleric, gave a speech on the Prophetic Leadership Approach, or the Prophet's Leadership Approach, and in that speech he said that, according to Shiite and Sunni religious sources, the title of the Prophet was the Messenger of God, and the title of the Prophet of Islam during the ten years he ruled was Qa'id or Qa'id al-Mu'minin. صابر حامدی (talk) 20:02, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia:Reliable sources. A sheikh's speech or other religious sermon is not a reliable source, especially for Wikipedia's purposes. Also please stop removing the maintenance template about citations at the top of the page, which has nothing to do with this issue. R Prazeres (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Map caption

@37.39.209.4: use the talk page here to discuss problems. On Wikipedia, we do not resolve problems by repeating reverted edits over and over (please see the messages at User talk:37.39.209.4). Both the map and the caption are based on a reliable source which you can see here (on p.27). Any further changes would required additional and equally reliable secondary sources in order to follow Wikipedia's core principles of Verifiability and No original research. Please base your edits and comments on those principles. R Prazeres (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

The Map isn't Accurate or Academic

On Top of the State being shown much smaller than it actually was, the location of Taif is a huge fatal mistake as it's shown too far from Mecca than it actually was/is. 37.231.222.129 (talk) 12:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Taif is indeed too far south, but this is a minor adjustment needed. As for the rest of the information, it's literally from an academic source, as cited in the file description. R Prazeres (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

You made yourself a literal joke by claiming that this clearly inaccurate map based on "Acadamic" sources but not using any of your annoying and disruptive editing powers to fix actual and literal myths such the Attack on Fatima page and sometimes even editing back such Myths like Uthman beating up Ibn Masud even if it's isn't backed by any reilable or academic sources by your own standards in these pages. 37.231.222.129 (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Lead sentence edits

@Wolfdog: can you explain what you are doing here? I've just reverted this edit from another editor for the second time (, ) and I've just finished explaining why this is WP:OR on their talk page (). That the current title can only be descriptive one has also been explained on this talk page before (now in archive here). Why are you repeating this edit again? R Prazeres (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I was not aware of ScrubbedSoap's involvement, but it's pretty clear that "State of Medina" is a WP:ALTNAME: see here. The archived talk you linked to only attests to that. What's the problem? How does "State of Medina" sound biased or non-descriptive? Wolfdog (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

It does not, and the link you shared only shows more examples of this non-consistent use, with most of the examples visible being "city-state of Medina" or "state of Medina" in lowercase, or ""Islamic State" of Medina", and so on; which as I already explained is merely prose with no evidence of a conventional name. Please revert this part of your edit and get consensus first if you really want to pursue this. R Prazeres (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Have a great day. Wolfdog (talk) 18:11, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Traditional Sira account?!

Aren't there many Western Orientalists and Eastern Historians who also support the fact that he was born in Mecca too??! Shouldn't that alone be enough to remove this part from the article?! ~2026-27985-44 (talk) 00:21, 10 May 2026 (UTC)