Talk:Enhanced Games

Athletes table

@ELTISAFE1 Please don't use PR Newswire , those are press releases, not independent. In the long run, I'm not sure we should bother to include all athletes, we're meant to summarize after all, but we'll see what happens. Perhaps we should consider spinning them of to a sub-article at some point, like a list of tv-episodes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Improve encyclopedic tone, sourcing, and neutrality

Hello,

I’ve acknowledged my WP:COI and would like to propose a few updates to the page to improve its encyclopedic tone, sourcing, and neutrality.

1. Update: According to D'Souza, he created the Games because he believes that athletes are entitled to do what they wish with their own bodies, and that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is corrupt for exploiting them.

• Proposed change: Founder Aron D'Souza has stated the event was conceived as an alternative to the Olympic model, focusing on athlete autonomy and a different approach to sports science.
• Rationale: This update aligns the lead with WP:NPOV by replacing informal language with encyclopedic terminology (e.g., 'athlete autonomy' and 'alternative model'). By synthesizing the founder's motivations into a high-level conceptual summary rather than specific grievances, the revision maintains a clinical tone and avoids giving undue weight to personal philosophy (WP:LEAD). Additionally, this update provides a missing supporting citation.
• Placement: Lead section, fourth paragraph

2. Add: In December 2025, Enhanced Games CEO and co-founder Maximilian Martin distinguished the venture's objectives from those of the Olympic Games. Martin stated that the event is 'something very, very different' and intended to pursue goals 'in our own rights' rather than competing directly with the Olympic movement, characterizing the two models as serving distinct purposes.

• Placement: Background, after third paragraph
• Rationale: It provides essential context on the organization’s official stance regarding international sporting bodies, cited to a reliable independent source (BBC). The proposed phrasing avoids editorial interpretation of the source's intent.

3. Update: D'Souza sees the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as corrupt and greedy, and wants to eradicate the WADA, which he calls an "anti-science police force for the IOC." He also argues that the Olympic system doesn't pay athletes enough, and that the Olympics include too many sports that don't really matter.

• Proposed change: In 2024, D’Souza criticized the International Olympic Committee (IOC), accusing the organization of institutional corruption and inadequate athlete compensation. He also called for the abolition of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), characterizing it as an "anti-science police force for the IOC."
• Rationale: This update improves the encyclopedic tone (WP:TONE) and removes a claim that lacks verification in the cited sources per WP:V (“Olympics include too many sports that don't really matter.”)
• Placement: People, second paragraph (after block quote)

4. Add: Writing in Performance Enhancement & Health in 2024, Dr. Andrew Richardson noted that while the international sporting community responded strongly to the Enhanced Games, academic and scientific literature has been more "tempered." Richardson observed that the format could represent a shift in sports physiology research and argued it might reduce social stigma for individuals disclosing performance-enhancing substance use to peers and family. He further noted that some scholars have cautiously welcomed the concept, provided specific ethical and safety caveats are addressed.

• Placement: Science and academia (last paragraph)
• Rationale: This adds a scholarly, peer-reviewed perspective on the sociological and physiological implications of the event. It balances the existing "Reception" section with neutral academic analysis, as per WP:DUE.

MollyInsight (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Hey @MollyInsight,

1. Partly done: I made a few tweaks to make it sound more neutral and stay close to the information provided by the cited sources.
2. Yes I removed the quotes but everything else stayed the same.
3. Partly done: I left the part that mentions Mr. Sauza's claim that Olympics include too many sports that don't really matter because the original source mentions that.
4. Yes I made a minor adjustment.

Wrontheroof (talk) 19:18, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Improve tone and NPOV

Hello,

As noted in my talk page, I have a WP:COI; I’d like to request your help in adding well-sourced details and improving the article's encyclopedic tone and NPOV.

1. Update:

D'Souza said, Athletes are adults ... and they have a right to do with their body what they wish – my body, my choice; your body, your choice, ... And no government, no paternalistic sports federation, should be making those decisions for athletes – particularly around products that are FDA regulated and approved. If we cut out all the waste, the layers of bureaucracy, the needless building of infrastructure, this event can be delivered for virtually nothing, and we can use all the surplus profits to pay the athletes, to invest in R&D, build better and better technology and build a bigger and bigger event.

• Proposed update: In 2023, D'Souza told the AAP that he advocated for athlete autonomy, arguing that competitors should have the right to use performance-enhancing substances without interference from "paternalistic" sports federations. In a 2024 interview with The Independent, D’Souza maintained that by reducing expenditures on traditional sporting bureaucracy and infrastructure, the organization could prioritize athlete compensation and technological research.
• Rationale: The proposed revision converts block quotes into neutral encyclopedic prose and replaces primary source material with secondary source attribution (AAP, The Independent) to mitigate WP:QUOTEFARM and ensure compliance with WP:NPOV and WP:TONE.
• Placement: People, after first paragraph

2. Update: Anti-doping expert Michael Ashenden expressed support for the games in 2024, "provided their athletes do nothing illegal".

• Proposed Update: Anti-doping expert and exercise physiologist Michael Ashenden, has advocated for the Enhanced Games (TEG) to co-exist with the Olympic Movement, provided the participating athletes do not engage in illegal activities. Ashenden argues that TEG’s format offers a viable alternative to what he characterizes as the failures of WADA’s anti-doping efforts in the Olympics.
• Rationale: This proposed update adds context to the subject’s rationale behind his opinion.
• Placement: Science and academia (last paragraph)

3. Add: British Olympic swimmer Mark Foster has suggested that the Enhanced Games could serve as a "legitimate challenge" to the traditional Olympic model. Foster posits that the presence of a rival organization might eventually have a "positive impact" on the sporting industry by forcing a reevaluation of athlete compensation.

• Rationale: The proposed entry adds a significant third-party commentary from a notable figure in the field, satisfying the significance criteria by illustrating the broader industry impact and the specific debate regarding athlete compensation per WP:NPOV and WP:DUE.
• Placement: Sportspeople (last paragraph)

4. Add key people to infobox: key_people

• Maximilian Martin, CEO
• Emily Tabak, Chief Legal Officer
• Jordan Schlachter, Chief Partnership Officer
• Craig Tello, Senior Vice President of Content
• Rationale: These individuals constitute the core leadership responsible for the organization’s expansion and regulatory strategy. Including these roles aligns with the "Key People" standard for corporate infoboxes. Verified via the official corporate newsroom per WP:PRIMARY.

Thank you! MollyInsight (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Regarding 4, I think we should only have the CEO. The CEO is the public face of a company and I can't think of any company where obscure positions like Senior Vice President of Content is notable enough to be mentioned anywhere in the text, let alone an infobox. Killuminator (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Yup. 'Key people' get discussed in secondary sources. I can't see any mention of Trello in the source cited. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:24, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

With regard to 3, you have clearly cherry-picked what Foster actually said (e.g. omitting his comments on ethics and moral standards). We don't do that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

For 1, The proposed revision converts block quotes into neutral encyclopedic prose and replaces primary source material with secondary source attribution (AAP, The Independent) to mitigate WP:QUOTEFARM and ensure compliance with WP:NPOV and WP:TONE isn't really accurate, as interviews aren't secondary sources, and changing the formatting from quote to prose doesn't turn it secondary if there isn't further analysis of his comments provided by the sources in question. That is, also, not what either WP:NPOV or WP:TONE is about (the latter being a writing advice essay rather than some policy or guideline that has to be complied with), so I'm curious about your reading of these two.

Not saying the proposed update isn't possibly an improvement with regards to avoiding unnecessary quotations, I would just like further clarifications. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 05:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

References

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Reply 20-JUN-2026

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Regards,  Spintendo  20:11, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

Personally, when asked on my talk page to discuss content for a specific article, I ask that the article talk page be used instead - I can see no merit in fragmenting discussion, and such discussions generally merit participation by all interested parties. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

Seconding this. Discussing on individual editors' talk pages is not really helpful in these situations. I can see the edit request being marked as declined for now, but the discussion shouldn't be closed, and the editor submitting it should be free to mark the edit request as pending once again after they reply to the concerns. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 20:28, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

References

Can we describe the Enhanced Games as Annual?

Given that the organisers have said the Enhanced games will be an annual event can we describe the Enhanced games as an "annual sporting event" in the opening yet? I am in two minds about it as so far we have only had one edition but the organisers have said it will happen ever year. C. 22468 Talk to me 20:49, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

The body says "intended to be annual" and since it hasn't happenend yet, I think that's proper weight, fails WP:LEAD at this time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2026 (UTC)