Talk:Deobandi movement

"Pakistan cultivating militancy" NPOV?

(Sorry for format, amateur here). In August of 2020, User:HLHJ contributed an edit full of info, but one line in the header, which is yet to be cited, seems like it might be violating WP:NPOV. The original line is "The Pakistani government deliberately cultivated Deobandi militancy to fight the Soviet Union and India (in Kashmir)." Can we make this a bit more neutral? It seems to be unsubstantiated criticism of the Pakistani government, or something of the sort. 2601:602:8500:3DD0:0:0:0:52AD (talk) 03:39, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It is complicated business, but more or less true. I added another citation if it helps. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

User:2601:602:8500:3DD0:0:0:0:52AD, your format is fine, though it's handy to link to the diff, like this: my edit, giving the date made it fairly easy for me to find (logging in with an account also makes it possible for me to ping you; I hope the ping above works). My original edit cited a BBC source (which I trust substantiated the statement); it has since been replaced. Actually, a lot of my sourcing has been replaced, in some cases (like the end of the second lede para) with quoted sources that do not seem to support the statements. I think some of the historical context and chronological order, which helped balance the statements, has also eroded. I have not read through the past year and a third of edit comments, so I don't know why. Kautilya3, I don't know if the old sources are useful to you. HLHJ (talk)

Yes, they were excellent documentaries. Watched all four parts. I removed it as a citation basically because the specific place where the content is supported is not easy to find. That is generally a problem with AV media, but if you follow template:cite AV media, it can be made to work.

By the way, ping to IP addresses doesn't work. I presume the the user is now gone anyway. Happy holidays! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Islamic State

Islamic State was a flowering of Deobandi thinking. Should this not be mentioned? Rustygecko (talk) 23:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 16 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 07:58, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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Deobandi → Deobandi movement – Similar reasons listed at Talk:Barelvi movement#Requested move 8 December 2022 by Iskandar323. The titles should be consistent. ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Support: Yep, I agree. Titles should be concise, but not to the point of being grammatically incoherent. 'Deobandi' is either the word for one follower of the movement or an adjectival descriptor for the movement - and neither of those are appropriate standalone terms for the article title. 'Deobandism' is an alternative, but the proposed title is more prevalent . Iskandar323 (talk) 06:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Titles should be concise. Numis Zuhair (talk) 14:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom and per the Google Ngram cited by Iskandar323, without prejudice for a further RM if another term should be found to be more common in RS. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, WP:COMMONNAME and the reasons provided above by Iskandar323 and Apaugasma.--TheEagle107 (talk) 06:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support since the titles should be consistent and in congruence shadowwarrior8(talk) 9:01 19 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Deobandism

I reinstated the term Deobandism in the lead, reverting a sock edit. (In fact, I think the term "Deobandi movement" is historical and misleading in the present-day context.) Here is what some sources say:

• Barbara D. Metcalf, “Traditionalist” Islamic Activism: Deoband, Tablighis, and Talibs, Social Science Research Network, 2001.

The origin of the Deobandi school of thought is literally a school, a madrasa or seminary, founded in the late nineteenth century at the height of colonial rule in the Delhi region of northern India.

• Kamran Bokhari, The Long Shadow of Deobandism in South Asia, New Lines Magazine, 23 November 2021.

And the Deobandi sect has been in the forefront of South Asian Islamism, with the Taliban as its most recent manifestation.... A major legacy of Delhawi is Deobandism, which arose as Wahhabism’s equivalent in South Asia in the late 19th century.

• Ahmad, Ishtiaq; Bashir, Aamir (2004), India and Pakistan: Charting a Path to Peace, Society for Tolerance and Education, Pakistan (STEP)

Deobandism had originated in British-ruled India during the mid-nineteenth century as a reformist ideology that aimed to regenerate Muslim society as it struggled to live within the confines of a colonized state. (p. 36)

• Jaffrelot, Christophe (2002), A History of Pakistan and Its Origins, translated by Beaumont, Gillian, Anthem Press, ISBN 9781843310303

The biggest Sunni school [in Pakistan] for ulemas (doctors of the law) is the Deobandi school.... Some 50 per cent of the ulemas belong to the Deobandi school.

• * Ballard, Roger; Banks, Marcus (1994), Desh Pardesh: The South Asian Presence in Britain, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, ISBN 9781850650911

By contrast [to Barelvi school], the Deobandi school, founded in 1867 following the decline of Muslim fortunes brought about by the imposition of British rule in India, is strongly opposed to these beliefs and practices. (p. 51)

• Luv Puri, The Past and Future of Deobandi Islam, CTC Sentinel, Combating Terrorism Center, November 2009.

The Deobandi school of Islam was founded in the latter half of the 19th century.... As in other South Asian schools of Islam, such as Barelvi and Ahl-e-Hadith, Deobandi places particular emphasis on the importance of religious education.

• Tahir Abbas (March 2011). Islamic Radicalism and Multicultural Politics: The British Experience. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 978-1-136-95960-8.

What began as a Sunni Islamic revivalist pressure group, which began in India, now finds itself in countries such as Afghanistan, South Africa and Britain. Followers of the Deobandi school, like the Muwahhidun, are puritanical in nature: there is a desire to remove Islam from any Western or modernist sway, and institutions that establish the Qur'än and Hadith as primary guiding forces are bitterly defended. (p. 34)

• Owen Bennett Jones, The Deobandis, part 1, BBC, 6 June 2016.

Owen Bennett Jones tells the story of India's Deobandi school of Islam, which has inspired both a peaceful global missionary movement and the Taliban.

• Norfolk, Andrew (7 September 2007), "Hardline takeover of British mosques", The Times

Riyadh ul Haq, who supports armed jihad and preaches contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus, is in line to become the spiritual leader of the Deobandi sect in Britain.

So most scholars are comfortable calling it "Deobandi school", with some willing to call it "Deobandi sect". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:14, 22 January 2026 (UTC)