Talk:David Lynch/Archive 3

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Undated interview

Does anyone know when the interview called “David Lynch talks Mulholland Drive” on YouTube (don’t know how to add the link) was taken?--DonGuess (talk) 12:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I looked into it, and it appears to be a contemporaneous (i.e. 2001) interview: https://books.google.com/books?id=RsRTDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=mulholland+drive+japanese+dvd&source=bl&ots=Y4rQxlOM4j&sig=ACfU3U3T-4r7XmC5u5PvpORfWlgBxv4iqw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMiMD75MDpAhWjMX0KHTePA_wQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=mulholland%20drive%20japanese%20dvd&f=false YouCanDoBetter (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Weather Reports (web-series)

I started a draft on this subject, please help or give your opinion on how to write it — Draft:Weather Reports (web-series) DonGuess (talk) 15:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Should it be renamed to “DAVID LYNCH THEATER”? Because this is the name of the YouTube channel and maybe it makes sense to write about it as a whole project DonGuess (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Weather Reports (web-series)

Hello, please help me with the article (posting it here again because the last one was archived).--DonGuess (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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Legacy section

Id suggest in wake of his death to add a legacy section to explain how he's seen as one of the great filmmaker's, as to grease the wheels for a blurb posting at ITN. This should be easy to pull from the range of obits if not prior sources. — Masem (t) 18:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

There's probably enough for an article. Thriley (talk) 19:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I just created Draft:Cultural impact of David Lynch. Will try to build it out over the coming days. Thriley (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

For posting to ITN, I'd keep to a section in this article so that it supports posting but which you can expand later. Masem (t) 19:19, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Infobox

In the "Spouses" section, his marriage to Emily Stofle is listed as ending with her death in 2023. She is still alive. 2A01:4B00:8043:D300:65C6:A77C:DB18:CB7 (talk) 11:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

"this", not "that"

wildfires that started in Southern California earlier that month

supposedly

wildfires that started in Southern California earlier this month @M.Bitton 182.253.250.203 (talk) 06:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Lynch family background

Not quite sure how to handle this in the article or in Early life of David Lynch, where it might fit better (and where I am cross-posting), but Lynch's family has far deeper roots in Montana than has generally been reported. His grandfather, Austin E. Lynch, (1885-1961), homesteaded in Montana in 1910 near Highwood, Montana, and later served two terms in the Montana House and two in the Montana Senate as a legislator from Fort Benton. He ultimately retired to Boise, Idaho. Lynch's father, Donald Lynch, was not merely employed in Montana when Lynch was born, he himself was born in Montana and graduated from the University of Montana before getting a doctorate in forestry from Duke University and going on to the Forest Service. He retired to California, but spent summers in Montana. I'm also not sure how to make clippings from newspapers.com visible, as most of the source material is in small town papers digitized there. Thoughts, all? Montanabw^(talk) 03:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2025

NASA released a statement honouring David Lynch on their social medias. I would like it to be added to the section on his death.

https://x.com/NASA/status/1880014378444952035 https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5xeSmTa0C/?hl=en TMLSSS (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Question: what's the statement, where exactly in the article does it belong and why? M.Bitton (talk) 00:44, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

The current "Tributes" section on the David Lynch article says

"Tributes

Steven Spielberg, who cast Lynch as John Ford in The Fabelmans, wrote upon his death, "Here was one of my heroes—David Lynch playing one of my heroes ... The world is going to miss such an original and unique voice. His films have already stood the test of time and they always will". Martin Scorsese wrote a statement that read in part, "He put images on the screen unlike anything that I or anybody else had ever seen—he made everything strange, uncanny, revelatory and new". Lynch collaborators such as Kyle MacLachlan, Naomi Watts, and Nicolas Cage also wrote statements honoring Lynch. Others who paid tribute to Lynch include Mel Brooks, Francis Ford Coppola, Ron Howard, Ben Stiller, James Gunn, Judd Apatow, Pedro Pascal, Questlove, and Patton Oswalt. Critic Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian eulogized Lynch as "the great American surrealist."".

I would like to change this to say

"Tributes

Steven Spielberg, who cast Lynch as John Ford in The Fabelmans, wrote upon his death, "Here was one of my heroes—David Lynch playing one of my heroes ... The world is going to miss such an original and unique voice. His films have already stood the test of time and they always will". Martin Scorsese wrote a statement that read in part, "He put images on the screen unlike anything that I or anybody else had ever seen—he made everything strange, uncanny, revelatory and new". Lynch collaborators such as Kyle MacLachlan, Naomi Watts, and Nicolas Cage also wrote statements honoring Lynch. Others who paid tribute to Lynch include Mel Brooks, Francis Ford Coppola, Ron Howard, Ben Stiller, James Gunn, Judd Apatow, Pedro Pascal, Questlove, and Patton Oswalt. NASA also released a statement on their social media, paying tribute to Lynch. Critic Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian eulogized Lynch as "the great American surrealist."

With a citation of NASA to their instagram and twitter pages where they made the post.

https://x.com/NASA/status/1880014378444952035 https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5xeSmTa0C/?hl=en TMLSSS (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. KOLANO12 3 01:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

The current "Tributes" section on the David Lynch article says

"Tributes

Steven Spielberg, who cast Lynch as John Ford in The Fabelmans, wrote upon his death, "Here was one of my heroes—David Lynch playing one of my heroes ... The world is going to miss such an original and unique voice. His films have already stood the test of time and they always will". Martin Scorsese wrote a statement that read in part, "He put images on the screen unlike anything that I or anybody else had ever seen—he made everything strange, uncanny, revelatory and new". Lynch collaborators such as Kyle MacLachlan, Naomi Watts, and Nicolas Cage also wrote statements honoring Lynch. Others who paid tribute to Lynch include Mel Brooks, Francis Ford Coppola, Ron Howard, Ben Stiller, James Gunn, Judd Apatow, Pedro Pascal, Questlove, and Patton Oswalt. Critic Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian eulogized Lynch as "the great American surrealist."".

I would like to change this to say

"Tributes

Steven Spielberg, who cast Lynch as John Ford in The Fabelmans, wrote upon his death, "Here was one of my heroes—David Lynch playing one of my heroes ... The world is going to miss such an original and unique voice. His films have already stood the test of time and they always will". Martin Scorsese wrote a statement that read in part, "He put images on the screen unlike anything that I or anybody else had ever seen—he made everything strange, uncanny, revelatory and new". Lynch collaborators such as Kyle MacLachlan, Naomi Watts, and Nicolas Cage also wrote statements honoring Lynch. Others who paid tribute to Lynch include Mel Brooks, Francis Ford Coppola, Ron Howard, Ben Stiller, James Gunn, Judd Apatow, Pedro Pascal, Questlove, and Patton Oswalt. NASA also released a statement on their social media, paying tribute to Lynch. Critic Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian eulogized Lynch as "the great American surrealist."

With a citation of NASA to their instagram and twitter pages where they made the post.

https://x.com/NASA/status/1880014378444952035 https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5xeSmTa0C/?hl=en TMLSSS (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

YouTuber categories

Lynch had a YouTube channel he regularly posted on, so should YouTuber categories be added here? 150.143.27.183 (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

No. Categories should be defining characteristics of the subject. People (and particularly the souces) don't refer to "YouTuber David Lynch", they call him "filmmaker David Lynch" because that was his defining characteristic. Opolito (talk) 23:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely agree that makes sense. Just wanted to make sure. --150.143.27.183 (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Infobox alma mater

Looking for opinions listing Lynch's alma maters in the infobox. Per MOS:INFOEDU, it is usually not relevant to include [the] parameter for non-graduates and per the sources in the article, Lynch did not graduate from any of the institutions listed:

• Corcoran School of the Arts and Design (brief stint before transferring)
• School of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston ("I was not inspired AT ALL in that place.")
• Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts (dropped out after three semesters)

I see perhaps retaining the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, if any. Thoughts? Rift (talk) 20:14, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Having not received any input, I have removed the first two institutions from the infobox per MOS:INFOEDU. Due to Lynch's comments on how formative his years in Philadelphia were, I have retained the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts in the infobox. Rift (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Questions of Genre

From the lead: "He earned critical acclaim as well as nominations for the Academy Award for Best Director for the biographical drama The Elephant Man (1980), the mystery thriller Blue Velvet (1986) and the psychological drama Mulholland Drive (2001). For his romantic crime drama Wild at Heart (1990), he received the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. He also directed the space opera Dune (1984), the neo-noir Lost Highway (1997), the road movie The Straight Story (1999) and the experimental thriller Inland Empire (2006)."

I'm not sure about the genres given. The Elephant Man is a biographical drama, but what is Blue Velvet? A "mystery thriller"? I wouldn't call Mulholland Drive a "psychological drama". Wikipedia calls it a "surrealist neonoir art film", which seems nearer the mark; Roger Ebert called it "a surrealist dreamscape in the form of a Hollywood film noir." Anyway, I don't think it's a psychological drama, and Lynch deserves a more accurate label. But it's part of Lynch's art that his films are not easily categorized. As he put it in conversation with Richard Corliss, "See, I love 47 different genres in one film. I hate one-thing films. And I love B movies. But why not have three or four Bs running together? Like a little hive!” Charlie Faust (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Trouble With the Lead

Below are some paragraphs from the lead, with my suggested improvements.

Lynch studied painting before he began making short films in the late 1960s. His first feature-length film was the independent surrealist film Eraserhead (1977), which saw success as a midnight movie. Lynch was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Director for the biographical drama The Elephant Man (1980), the thriller Blue Velvet (1986) and the neo-noir Mulholland Drive (2001). His romantic crime drama Wild at Heart (1990) won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. He also directed the space opera adaptation Dune (1984), the neo-noir Lost Highway (1997), the biographical drama The Straight Story (1999), and the thriller Inland Empire (2006).

Well, that's true, but 'neo-noir', 'biographical drama' and 'thriller' are used twice.

Lynch and Mark Frost created the ABC series Twin Peaks (1990–91), for which he received five Primetime Emmy Award nominations, including Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series and Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series. Lynch co-wrote and directed its film prequel, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992), and a third season in 2017. His acting roles included FBI agent Gordon Cole in Twin Peaks, Howard in the drama film Lucky (2017), and John Ford in Steven Spielberg's The Fabelmans (2022). He also guest-starred in TV series such as The Cleveland Show (2010–13) and Louie (2012).

Do we need to know the names of his acting roles? He wasn't primarily known as an actor. And that he played John Ford in The Fablemans is something of a spoiler; his role in the film was "a closely guarded secret" and I, for one, was shocked to see his name in the credits.

Alongside his film and TV work, Lynch also worked as a musician, releasing solo albums and variety of collaborations; a visual artist, including painting, furniture design, and photography; and a nonfiction author, publishing the books Images (1994), Catching the Big Fish (2006) and Room to Dream (2018).

Not sure we need to know the names of his books, as he was not primarily known as an author. Charlie Faust (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

I replaced the second 'biographical drama' with 'road movie'; 'thriller' and 'neo-noir' are used twice in that paragraph. Charlie Faust (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

"Lynch studied painting and made short films before making his first feature-length film, the independent body horror film Eraserhead (1977), which found success as a midnight movie. He then earned critical acclaim as well as nominations for the Academy Award for Best Director for the biographical drama The Elephant Man (1980), the mystery thriller Blue Velvet (1986), and the psychological drama Mulholland Drive (2001). For his romantic crime drama Wild at Heart (1990), he received the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. He also directed the space opera Dune (1984), the neo-noir Lost Highway (1997), the road movie The Straight Story (1999), and the experimental thriller Inland Empire (2006)."

The two uses of "film" in "his first-feature length film, the independent body horror film Eraserhead (1977)" gives me pause. Why not say "his feature-length debut"? Also not sure about genres given. The Elephant Man is a biographical drama, but what is Blue Velvet? A "mystery thriller"? I wouldn't call Mulholland Drive a "psychological drama". Wikipedia calls it a "surrealist neonoir art film", which seems nearer the mark. Charlie Faust (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Still think "The adjective Lynchian came into use to describe works or situations reminiscent of his art, with the Oxford English Dictionary noting his penchant for "juxtaposing surreal or sinister elements with mundane, everyday environments, and for using compelling visual images to emphasize a dreamlike quality of mystery or menace" should go at the end, as it's a nice way of rounding out the lead, as another user put it. Charlie Faust (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm thinking of replacing "first feature-length film" with first feature, to avoid the repeated use of "film" in that sentence.

I'm still not sure about Mulholland Drive as "psychological drama"; nenoir seems nearer the mark.

But I want to know what you think. Charlie Faust (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

We learn that "Lynch also worked as a musician, releasing solo albums and a variety of collaborations; a visual artist, including painting, furniture design, and photography; and an author."

Well, what is a filmmaker if not a "visual artist"? And isn't "including painting, furniture design, and photography" awkward? Why not say "painter, furniture designer and photographer"? And what of his comic strip, The Angriest Dog in the World? And under music videos, why not include Chris Isaak? Charlie Faust (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

"His acting career included roles in Twin Peaks and in the films Lucky (2017) and The Fabelmans (2022). He also guest-starred in the TV series The Cleveland Show (2010–13) and Louie (2012).

Wouldn't it be better to put Twin Peaks, The Cleveland Show (2010–13) and Louie together, as they are all TV series? And anyway, Lucky (2017) and The Fabelmans (2022) were later, so why not put them later?

His acting career included roles on Twin Peaks, The Cleveland Show (2010–13) and Louie (2012) and in the films Lucky (2017) and The Fabelmans (2022). Isn't that better? Charlie Faust (talk) 23:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Day of death not mentioned in the sources

In several edits it is stated that David Lynch died January 16, 2025, currently "Lynch's family announced that he had died earlier that day at the age of 78" but I don't find anything like that in the sources. The facebook posting of the family does not mention the day ("It is with deep regret that we, his family, announce the passing of the man and the artist, David Lynch. "). --88.70.205.209 (talk) 23:00, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

This source, dated January 16, 2025, states that Lynch "died today at age 78". That should suffice. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 23:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I would additionally note that another article from the same outlet appears to point back to the original announcement which says no date is known. TMZ stands alone in reporting in saying not only that he died on Wednesday the 15th, but reporting where he died. No more reliable source has picked up on this, but I have included it in the article with explicit attribution per WP:TMZ. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Amended the page to reflect this. While I would certainly prefer a more reliable source, TMZ did use the Facebook post to follow up with a family member for additional information, while Deadline was just relying on their article and the Facebook announcement like other outlets. Rusted AutoParts 01:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, the reason I was inclined to pay attention to TMZ's claims, all other issues with them aside, was that they did appear to attribute where they got this information. Other sources which have cited the 16th as the death date do so offhandedly and in ways that make me wonder if they're really just referring to when the announcement was released. Most sources still do not give a date of death at all, including the other major trades and national US papers. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, NYT, Washington Post and LA Times are quite explicit in their wording that "his family announced the death Thursday but did not share further details" or something similar. Connormah (talk) 01:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Should his date of death be changed to January 2025 since it’s not exactly known when he died?

2601:18C:8102:86C0:7876:E13A:70FD:84CA (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

It is though. The conversation above highlights this. Rusted AutoParts 03:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

It should be noted what we know to be true, that the faimly announced his death on X date. As we can't verify more than this, this should be what is stated in the article as anything more is speculation. Jurisdicta (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

What speculation? We have a source specifically saying he died Wednesday. There’s no speculation. Deadline had even amended their source to reflect this. Rusted AutoParts 20:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Now it turns out he died on the 16th after all. DrKilleMoff (talk) 21:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Exclaim!, NDSMCobserver, and TMZ all say that he died on the 15th. 2600:1000:B193:E4A4:B0B0:5910:1FB9:7D8A (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Either outdated or wrong. Death certificate explicitly says the 16th. Rusted AutoParts 23:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

It's strange how TMZ is still saying that he died on January 15th though. 2601:18C:8102:86C0:78A4:76EB:E8D7:2B44 (talk) 23:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Reads more they’re reiterating their initial reporting. The family member it seems was disputed later on by Lynch’s daughter on social media, and of course the death certificate renders any reports about the 15th incorrect. Similar thing happened with Carl Weathers where for the longest time he was reported as having died on February 1, but death certificate clarified it was the 2nd. Rusted AutoParts 00:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)