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Grammar
[edit]The first sentence should read: "At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, located in the then Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)" instead of: "at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the city of Pripyat, then located in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union (USSR)". It did not physically move.
The section titled "Social Economic Effects" should be renamed to "socioeconomic effects" to reflect proper terminology.
- minor but this is the English language page "Numerous structural and construction quality issues, as well as deviations from the original plant design, had been known to KGB since at least 1973 and passed on to the Central Committee, which take no action and classified the information." should be "been known to the KGB... which took no action"
Containing fire
[edit]The timeline says all fires were contained at 5:00 - this should probably mention "fires around the power plant": The core continued to burn days after, but there is no description what measures really lead to containing the fire inside the reactor. It just says "It is now known that virtually none of the neutron absorbers reached the core." It is not clear what really stopped the fire.
- decay heat was the "fire" and it "stopped" being "red hot" like decay heat always does. With time.
Grammar edit request
[edit]There's a rather extended high-comma-count "sentence" with what looks to be a misspelling.
The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, were the unabated ingestion of local food, primarily milk consumption, resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body, after the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine, recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise, in internal committed dose, before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.
minimal-change improvement:
The expected highest body activity was in the first few years, where the unabated ingestion of local food (primarily milk) resulted in the transfer of activity from soil to body. After the dissolution of the USSR, the now reduced scale initiative to monitor the human body activity in these regions of Ukraine recorded a small and gradual half-decadal-long rise in internal committed dose before returning to the previous trend of observing ever lower body counts each year.
length of lead
[edit]This has come up before, see..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chernobyl_disaster/Archive_13#Lead_too_long
Weasel language/irrelevant “commentary”
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"Commentators[according to whom?] have argued that the Chernobyl disaster was more likely to occur in a communist country than in a capitalist one.[259] Soviet power plant administrators were reportedly not empowered to make crucial decisions during the crisis.[260]"
This excerpt comes across as anti-intellectual. Firstly, the USSR was nowhere near communist in practice, so the entire thing is a nothing-burger to begin with. If the Nazi party called itself the Equal Rights party, we would not call Nazi Germany a bastion of equal rights.
Secondly, the reference for this excerpt is an article published by The Telegraph and written by… who, exactly? Not someone with any evident expertise, hardly even a "commentator" given that this is seemingly their only ever write-up. It is based in nothing but blind faith in a capitalist organization of the economy to the point of brown-nosing and provides no empirical, nor even any anecdotal evidence to back up its claim.
Courtega (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
- Eastern Block countries were ruled by Communist Parties and self-identified Communists, therefore they are routinely referred to as Communist countries in plain English. So-called capitalist countries also don't practice pure or ideal capitalism; virtually all have mixed economies.Sredmash (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
- No. You are wrong. If words and their meanings have any meaning to you, you do not use "communism" to describe the situation in English, and certainly not with a lowercase "c" as is done in this article.
- Have you actually read the reference? Any defense of its inclusion after even the briefest of glances is straight up disingenuous. The idea that Wikipedia should even entertain such propagandizing slop is bizarre. The primary issue was, and still is, having an elite class with a greater incentive to line their own pockets/protect their own interests than to ensure the well-being of their constituents. That's what happened in Chernobyl, that's what happened in Fukushima, and that's what continues to happen now. Negligence. USSR administration did not care about workers or the actual goals of socialism/communism. This excerpt is disgusting, a borderline exploitation of tragedy to push Western exceptionalism. Courtega (talk) 14:23, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed. It is a bit disheartening to see politics being snuck into a disaster of such magnitude when it is completely unnessesary. ~2026-25527-85 (talk) 04:04, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- Yup, its human failures. Compare to Three Man Island disaster, which dumped the primary coolant by accident, causing core meltdown without explosion, as no coolant - nothing to evaporate/explode. "Crucial decisions" were made in both cases on spot, but it was the luck factor that was the crucial. ~2026-40057-69 (talk) 06:38, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
Chernobyl or chornobyl
[edit]which spelling should be used? ~2026-24990-37 (talk) 03:36, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-24990-37 I would go with Chornobyl myself, considering that it is how it's said in Ukrainian. It would also align with how several Ukrainian places have been renamed in English within the past few years to better reflect their Ukrainian identity. Young N' Brash (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
- Disagree - It wouldn't align with the fact that the disaster happened at the "Chernobyl" Nuclear Power Plant, and could be a violation of WP:NPOV Jaybainshetland (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- It’s extremely non-NPOV and offensive to only use and mention a colonial imposition, the Russian-based spelling of the place and events. The correct spelling is used by Canadian Press and CTV , the Guardian , CBC , Chernobyl Children International , the United Nations (A/RES/80/111, Art. 10) , the US Board on Geographic Names (for the place name, the abandoned zone, and the nature reserve) , Google Maps, OpenStreetMap , the national government , and the Chornobyl Center . The spelling is offered as alternative by Britannica , M-W , AHD , Collins , Wiktionary , and AP. ~2026-25535-72 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- From Talk:Chernobyl/FAQ: While the standard transliteration of the city's name is Chornobyl, the name as used in the English language is overwhelmingly Chernobyl. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the latter should be used. Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 20:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- We even have WP:CHORNOBYL explaining "Do not use the standard Ukrainian transliterations, which are Chornobyl, Prypiat, Feodosiia and Yevpatoriia respectively, as this is not in common use" because people can't stop asking at Talk:Chernobyl the same questions that are literally visible there. Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 20:10, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- Not expressing an opinion on the issue, but I do want to point out to Jaybainshetland that even in the Soviet Union, the power plant had a huge sign on the ABK-1 building that said 'Chornobyl NPP' in Ukrainian. Not Russian.Sredmash (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Why would "colonial communist Russian occupants" place THAT huge sign on the plant THEY've built? It would imply that swapping any Russian sign with Ukrainian is actually an act of "communization". ~2026-40057-69 (talk) 06:44, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- It’s not disputed that the Russian-derived spelling is widely used. But it is 1) controversial, 2) there is an alternative that is more acceptable with solid justification, and 3) the alternative is used for good reasons by many prominent sources on the subject. To exclusively promote colonial language that is unacceptable in certain contexts is not NPOV and a disservice to readers. The alternative is to be given in bold in the lead. ~2026-25575-30 (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Weren't Soviet communists the one placing a crapload of Ukrainian signs everywhere and renaming nearly every Russian-found/-built city in the UkrSSR into Ukrainian? If that's true, what you demand is basically what Soviet communists did for the whole time... ~2026-40057-69 (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- Not expressing an opinion on the issue, but I do want to point out to Jaybainshetland that even in the Soviet Union, the power plant had a huge sign on the ABK-1 building that said 'Chornobyl NPP' in Ukrainian. Not Russian.Sredmash (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- It’s extremely non-NPOV and offensive to only use and mention a colonial imposition, the Russian-based spelling of the place and events. The correct spelling is used by Canadian Press and CTV , the Guardian , CBC , Chernobyl Children International , the United Nations (A/RES/80/111, Art. 10) , the US Board on Geographic Names (for the place name, the abandoned zone, and the nature reserve) , Google Maps, OpenStreetMap , the national government , and the Chornobyl Center . The spelling is offered as alternative by Britannica , M-W , AHD , Collins , Wiktionary , and AP. ~2026-25535-72 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- Disagree - It wouldn't align with the fact that the disaster happened at the "Chernobyl" Nuclear Power Plant, and could be a violation of WP:NPOV Jaybainshetland (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Incorrect hyperlink
[edit]I can't edit the page because it is protected. Where it says the coolant flashed to steam, it hyperlinks to flash point which is incorrect. It should hyperlink to flash evaporation. ~2026-35664-37 (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
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to change the Russian spelling of Chernobyl to the Ukrainian one which is Chornobyl because of the invasion of Ukraine and since its in Ukraine should be spelt the way ukrAINians do 79re8ytwr72390u (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
Not done: per WP:CHERNOBYL, Wikipedia does not use the transliteration "Chornobyl" as it is not in common English use. Day Creature (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
- you think that wikipedia and other information and news sites would try and change it to the common English instead of continuing to push the English translation of the Russian version you know a country that has drone strikes the Chornobyl museum and to the concrete shell over the reactor 79re8ytwr72390u (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
- The tail trying to wag the dog? ~2026-40057-69 (talk) 06:54, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- you think that wikipedia and other information and news sites would try and change it to the common English instead of continuing to push the English translation of the Russian version you know a country that has drone strikes the Chornobyl museum and to the concrete shell over the reactor 79re8ytwr72390u (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
See also header
[edit]When one googles Chernobyl, the first Wikipedia article that appears is the one about the accident. Should we add a See also header for the power plant itself, for those who may be looking for it, as well as the city of Chernobyl itself? The article for Chernobyl City has a great example of what I think it should look like. Ethan (Emholt1) :) (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I went ahead and added one. It doesn’t look to out of place; if you don’t like it, yell at me here and I’ll get rid of it. Ethan (Emholt1) :) (talk) 23:42, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I removed it, it violated WP:NOTAMBIGUOUS FaviFake (talk) 15:19, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2026
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Change “Chernobyl” to “Chornobyl” as it’s a Ukrainian name, so correct translation would be from Ukrainian language, not Russian Draidmor (talk) 11:38, 7 August 2026 (UTC)
Not done, see the banner up top this page. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:59, 7 August 2026 (UTC)
Incorrect hyperlink
[edit]In the References at the bottom of the page, link no. 8 which points to: https://www.sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=4468603 which is is broken. The correct, working address is: https://www.sverigesradio.se/artikel/25-years-after-chernobyl-how-sweden-found-out Thank you. Frasket (talk) 19:32, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- Fixed, thank you! Shawtybaespade (talk) 06:38, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
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