Talk:An-Nazi'at

Neutrality

@Aybeg: I note you added a neutrality boilerplate a couple of years back. There have been a few changes since. I am relatively ignorant about the subject. Do you still hold the view that the tag is appropriate? JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@JorgeLaArdilla: I am not sure. - Aybeg (talk) 11:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

No probs. I have since added a western non muslim source, so I'm happy the article now has a wider perspective. JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 11:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Al-Nazi'at

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Al-Nazi'at's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Suyuti":

• From Israfil: Al-Suyuti (2021). Muhammad as Said Basyuni, Abu Hajir; Yasir, Muhammad (eds.). Misteri Alam Malaikat (Religion / Islam / General) (in Indonesian). Translated by Mishabul Munir. Pustaka al-Kautsar. pp. 17, 30–32. Retrieved 6 February 2022. Quoting Ibnul Mubarak from a book of az-Zuhd; ad Durr al-Manshur, chain narration from Ibnul Mubarak to Ibn SHihab (1/92)
• From Al Imran: Al-Suyuti (2021). Muhammad as Said Basyuni, Abu Hajir; Yasir, Muhammad (eds.). Misteri Alam Malaikat (Religion / Islam / General) (in Indonesian). Translated by Mishabul Munir. Pustaka al-Kautsar. pp. 29–33, 172. Retrieved 6 February 2022. Quoting Ibnul Mubarak from a book of az-Zuhd; ad Durr al-Manshur, chain narration from Ibnul Mubarak to Ibn SHihab (1/92)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

An-Nazi'at, not Al-Nazi'at

@AHWikipedian: "Al-Nazi'at" and "An-Nazi'at" both are correct! The difference being a transliteration preference. "Al-Nazi'at" is the more common and widely recognized English transliteration, while "An-Nazi'at" is another way of rendering the Arabic name into English.

The main difference lies in Arabic pronunciation rules (Tajweed) related to the definite article "ال" (al-).

1. "Al-Nazi'at" (النازعات) The word "النازعات" is written with "ال" (al-) as the definite article.

When "ال" (al-) is followed by a "sun letter" (حروف شمسية), the "ل" (L) sound is assimilated (hidden) into the next letter.

"ن" (N) is a sun letter, so the "ل" (L) is not pronounced clearly.

Correct pronunciation: "An-Nazi'at" (written as "al-Nazi'at" in English, but pronounced with a doubled "n" sound).

2. "An-Nazi'at" (النازعات) This is the phonetic (pronunciation) form of "al-Nazi'at" in English.

Since "ن" (N) is a sun letter, the "ل" (L) is silent, and the "n" sound is doubled (as if it were "An-Nazi'at").

EXAMPLE:

• Written in Arabic: النازعات

• Written in English: "al-Nazi'at" (but pronounced "an-Nazi'at").

NOTE:

• Sun Letters (حروف شمسية): When "ال" (al-) is followed by a sun letter (like ن, ت, ث, د, ذ, ر, ز, etc.), the "ل" (L) is not pronounced, and the first letter of the noun gets emphasis (shaddah).

• Moon Letters (حروف قمرية): If the word starts with a moon letter (like ق, ك, م, و, ه, etc.), the "ل" (L) is pronounced clearly (e.g., "al-Qamar" القمر).

CONCLUSION: "Al-Nazi'at" (written form in English), while "An-Nazi'at" (spoken form, reflecting proper Arabic pronunciation). Both refer to the same Qur'anic chapter (النازعات), but "An-Nazi'at" is more accurate for pronunciation. For more detailed information, see: Arabic definite article, and Sun and moon letters. Peace. 🕊️☀️TheEagle107 (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I know Arabic. Now if you look at Quran.com, they state An-Nazi'at. My Islam also states An-Nazi'at. Infact, if you search Al-Nazi'at, most of the results overwhelmingly use An-Nazi'at. Check it out yourselves. This is why for consistency with other popular websites, I support the usage of An-Nazi'at. AHWikipedian (talk) 11:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, the purpose of transliteration is to aid pronunciation. An-Nazi'at much more accurately reflects the pronunciation over Al-Nazi'at. AHWikipedian (talk) 11:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 25 July 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (closed by non-admin page mover) Ivey (talk - contribs) 14:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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Al-Nazi'at → An-Nazi'at – Self-explanatory. AHWikipedian (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Do we know why it was originally moved? Ivey (talk - contribs) 19:31, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  It wasn't moved. Despite the article itself referring to the surah by this name, the title is still Al-Nazi'at for some reason. The move log doesn't have any items. AHWikipedian (talk) 05:36, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

  Comment: It was moved in 2021 (Special:Diff/1024165795) and twice in 2011. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:31, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

  But Al-Nazi'at is inaccurate. AHWikipedian (talk) 08:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.