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@JokEobard Thank you for continuing to copy edit the article, which makes me want to nominate the article for FA, but finally its now a FA. Thanks a lot for help! Also, I also want to thank Aoba47, Crisco 1492 and PanagiotisZois since without them the article wouldn't be improved a lot. So, thanks a lot for them including HopalongCasualty for assisting me when the article was still shit and turned it into GA. Regards to all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 20:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks and congratulations everyone! Special shout-out to @Boneless Pizza! for your tenacious efforts in improving this article. You rectified countless issues based on every single piece of feedback at lightning-fast speed! And your hard work paid off! If that isn't a cause to celebrate, then I don't know what is!:) JokEobard (talk) 06:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks everyone. Actually, Crisco 1492 and PanagiotisZois were the one who helped us rephrase some of the complicated opinions in the book at reception section (the sexualization by Jennings, Hypermasculinity by Andrei and other minor stuff). I'm very thankful for that. I'm glad we made it out lol. Cheers to all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 06:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
It probably depends on the information because Ada has info like "Ada Wong is the pseudonym of a Chinese-American spy and mercenary who recurs as an antiheroine in Capcom's survival horror video game series Resident Evil. Her real name and background before working in espionage remain unknown" that doesn't fit at concept and design section since it's about her identity, not the concept. Additionally, it should be first/introduction in the body of the article because of that identity information. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 07:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Premeditated Chaos At the end of the day, I guess it defends to the reviewers and to the author itself. During Ada's FAC, some of them wanted appearances to go first. Meanwhile, Jill Valentine's FAC has been sent 5 times and it seems like they wanted the concept to be the first one. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 07:16, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I don't see anything at the FAC about the article's organization. Can you point out where that was decided? And again, it's not just Jill's article, it's every modern character FAC. And in point of actual fact, it's laid out in WP:VGORDER, which is part of the MOS; all FAs must be MOS-compliant. ♠PMC♠(talk)07:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Premeditated Chaos Also, check this revision here . It also talks about what layout do editors prefer at Ada and Mario (Almost all editors agreed that concept needs to go first when it comes to Ada). 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 07:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
No need to ping me please, I'm subscribed to the section. Mario isn't an FA, so not really applicable here, but in any case, one editor's personal preference doesn't override the MOS. ♠PMC♠(talk)08:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Alright. Also, can you recheck the revision that I provided you above? Not only Panini agrees with it, but other editors also, including the FAC coordinator, Fuchs. There was discussion about Ada's FAC there. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 08:10, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
You linked the wrong diff I think, but I see the discussion. If the consensus has changed, then the MOS should be changed accordingly, and other FAs should be reorganized; it shouldn't be willy-nilly. ♠PMC♠(talk)08:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I did linked the wrong diff, but you can see their discussion at that revision. But, I highly prefer concept and design first rather than appeareances. Maybe I'll reorganize Ada later I guess. But, I think you need start the discussion at WP:VG also first just to let them know. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 08:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
The MOS in this state is a guideline, not a rigid rule: if it serves the reader better to get the appearances section first and then the development information fleshing that out, then that's the better route. In most cases, you'll lead with the creation process instead as it doesn't rely on understanding the character's role as much. Story heavy characters I've found tend to work better with the appearances section leading everything off so you're not explaining their role in the plot twice.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply