Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fabrice Bardeche
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The result was merge to IONIS Education Group. — The Earwig (talk) 02:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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Basic VP of what looks like a holding company. Not particularly notable. Article is a CV/vanity page. Fails WP:BIO McSly (talk) 17:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC) --McSly (talk) 17:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- keep. This article has just been approved by KTC. It has been approved at 16:01 and you propose the article for deletion 2 hours after. Is it against me or agains KTC? Fabrice Bardeche is Vice-President of the first private group for higher education in France, Vice-President of 18 privates universities. The Wikipedia's academic notability guideline is very clear: "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society", which is completely the case here. 80.13.85.217 (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete I'll be frank. It's against you. Yes, 80.13.85.217, everyone hates you so that's why the article was nominated.
- Having dealt with the hypervigilant accusations, let us turn to the actual subject at hand. If you think that someone can be "Vice-President of 18 private universities" or even (as you say below) "head of 18 private universities" then you don't know what a university is.
- EEng (talk) 01:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- He is a basic VP of a holding company managing private schools. WP:ACADEMIC doesn't apply here and even if it did, since he is not the president, it would fail that policy too. He is not notable the same way we don't list every (or any) VP from American Express for example. He is a non notable exec from a mid size company.--McSly (talk) 17:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- He is head of 18 privates universities. So he clearly meets academic notability : "The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society"80.13.85.217 (talk) 18:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Comment "Vice-President" doesn't sound like the highest-level position, nor does it sound like being an elected position. In addition, private universities play only a marginal role in France (with some exceptions). As an aside, this seems to be one of a series of articles on French academics that all seem to have been translated directly from French (written in the present tense, for example), in many instances keeping the formatting of the French WP (we do things differently here). --Guillaume2303 (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- He is managing 18 privates universities parts of the First private group in France for higher education and directly the technological part . That is suitable with appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic. 80.13.85.217 (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Not the highest position, only VP. Does not meet WP:BIO or WP:PROF. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 20:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep – The topic passes WP:BASIC and WP:GNG: , , . Northamerica1000(talk) 00:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- The first link there doesn't even mention Bardeche. The other 2 contain no biographical information about him. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:22, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Simply not notable enough. He is one of 2 VPs of IONIS Education Group which seems to have been doing some promotion here recently. The president/chancellor Marc Sellam has an article, probably fair enough. The other VP Marc Drillech is also up as AfD. These are management positions, not academic appointments. Mcewan (talk) 06:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Whatever one's view on the subject notability, the assertion that the article is a result of the subject doing self promotion simply have no basis in reality. The articles were created by 80.13.85.217 through WP:AFC. A quick look on User talk:80.13.85.217 will show you that 80.13.85.217 is static IP editor who is simply a very keen editor on French educational / aerospace topics. The over 60 articles submitted covers a wide variety of establishments and people, and it was reviewed by a similarly large number of AFC volunteers. We should be encouraging and helping someone like 80.13.85.217 who contribute lots of new articles and contents to the Wikipedia, in topics where Wikipedia doesn't do so well in due to its systemic bias. Please assume some good faith and not bite the newcomers by automatically assuming IPs are here to do advertisment and self promotion. The same should be extended to the volunteers at AFC who helps in what is a very backlogged area of Wikipedia. -- KTC (talk) 08:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Fair comment, and I did look at the contributions of 80.13.85.217 and agree there's a lot of good work there. And a quick look at my recent history would tell you that I am far from a newcomer-biter. My self-promotion comment was ill-judged, however. But, in this particular case my considered opinion happens to be that notability has not been demonstrated. But as you say it's borderline and if the decision is keep, well that's fine too Mcewan (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- (For the record as the original AFC reviewer) - Keep. I'll agree that it might be borderline and not necessarily so easy to judge given all the potential sources seems to be in French, but it seems there are just enough independent sources combined to satisfy WP:GNG / WP:BASIC. -- KTC (talk) 09:07, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep It certainly needs some work, but that would be cause to try to fix before trying to remove. Also, KTC makes some good points --Nouniquenames (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 21:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
- Merge with IONIS Education Group. He is not independently notable. This is the only one of the cited references which is is both independent and contains useful biographical information about the article subject, and it's rather short. He does not meet WP:ACADEMIC since his achievements as an actual research academic are minimal, and he doesn't hold a highest-level post. He should be judged as VP of a company which may itself be notable but he is not notable simply for being their VP, and has not received significant press coverage. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
- Merge agree with Colapeninsula --Nouniquenames (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:BIO1E. This sort of business executive position is not the sort of thin WP:PROF was designed for, so I don't buy the "head of a major university" argument. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Merge or even redirect seems like the best outcome here, based on the lack of published sources. Carrite (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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