Talk:Sweden Democrats

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Left wing smear straw man terminology "nationalist"

Why not objective and name them "patriotic-conservative"??

Why do we allow left-wingers to frame parties in a negative way they dont like?? 93.206.57.177 (talk) 02:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

By "left-wingers," I assume you mean people who write about politics for academic publishers and mainstream news sources. We use their writings as sources rather than writings by far right extremists because the publications they write for are considered reliable. If you object to this policy, you need to get it changed rather than arguing here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Four Deuces (talk • contribs) 03:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The mainstream news sources have a massive left-wing bias and are for example in the USA rejected by the majority of voters.

CNN, Washington Post, MSNBC, CBS, PBS, NBC, ABC have a left-wing tilt and are considered biased and left-wing propaganda by nearly all Republicans.

According to the latest Gallup poll only a third of american voters trust mainstream news.

That`s your key problem: Your alleged "mainstream news sources" and "academic publishers" are NOT credible. Just listen to Jordan Peterson talking about the left-wing echo chambers he considers to be universities. 93.206.54.48 (talk) 00:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

So we should listen to Jordan Peterson and Republicans on Facebook instead, those are the true reliable sources? TylerBurden (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

All of them would be right wing tilted here in Sweden. 78.69.116.184 (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

If you think nationalism is something negative then that seems to more be a personal issue, because nationalism is an ideology. TylerBurden (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

You do not call the left-wingers in swedish politics "far-left", "socialist" or "communist". Why do you have to frame parties you dont like in a negative way? SD would not consider themselves "nationalist", rather patriotic and conservative. 93.206.54.48 (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Why are you making it personal? I do not personally think that SD is "far-right" either, but what I think and you think doesn't matter when it comes to the article content because it is based on what reliable sources say. You need to read WP:DUE, also WP:NOTFORUM while you're at it because this kind of rhetoric isn't going to do anything to improve the article at all. TylerBurden (talk) 01:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

See their website: The Young Swedes "is a democratic socially conservative youth association with a nationalist outlook." How is it a smear to call them what they call themselves? TFD (talk) 02:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

They use the term themselves in their party statutes from 2021, in the first sentence (translated by me): “Sweden Democrats is a socially conservative party with a nationalist ethos”. Using it in the article is in no way employing “left wing smear straw man terminology”, and definitely has a place in the article. Hale-Borz (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

"Nationalist" is not a smear term. That is an accurate reflection of their party stance. 12.117.195.74 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I am also on the right, yet I would not contest that this is an accurate statement of the party's ideology; one which does not necessarily have a negative connotation, either. This discussion should be closed. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 18:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Far Right label inaccurate for today's SD

Hello

I am new to wiki editing and will get into it because I wish to improve the Sweden democrats wiki page.

I do not see how keeping in the far right label at all is justified for SD since they are not even potrayed like right wing extremists in Sweden anymore unlike 10 years ago. The party has and is changing a lot over time gradually and I dont think the wiki page for SD represents this. One can easily argue thay they are right wing (the party describes itself as social conseravtive with a nationalist foundation in its principle program) and that they are populist but Far Right is not justifiable. I would like to ask what is justifying keeping the Far Right label by this point?

I ask this because I am considering removing the far right label completely because none of their policy, rhetoric and so on today has anything that supposedly is Far Right and the party is activaly distancing itself from its past and expelling any local extreme politicans that are found.

If someone could comment on why it makes sense to keep it I am very open to hearing arguments. Melkor66 (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

I don't think the party has changed much since 10 years ago. I think what made them far-right 10 years ago, and today, is more because of individual members' actions than what's in their party-program.

Take for example Björn Söder (equates pride with pedophilia) and Christina Nilsson (supports Active Club Networks, Swedish source). They are still in the party, so they don't seem to expel all extreme politicians.

And furthermore, multiple news sites still called them far-right as recent as 2024, e.g. Euractive and Le Monde. Paditor (talk) 21:26, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Membership numbers

I updated the membership number using the most recent figure I could find from a WP:RS. There is an even more recent membership figure of 36,000, but it comes from the party's own website. Should we exclude it and keep the 2024 figure, or update it with the number provided by the party? Or would the party's own website not qualify as a WP:RS? Wlaak (talk) 16:50, 17 July 2026 (UTC)