Talk:Rizal

Requested move 21 June 2023

Rizal page should be renamed as Rizal (disambiguation) to prevent distinguishing the name to Rizal (province) or Jose Rizal. WikiCentral24 (talk) 03:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 13 January 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) CNC (talk) 13:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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Rizal → Rizal (disambiguation)Rizal (disambiguation) – Per here and here, it's quite clear the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is José_Rizal, with the province being far less searched and popular, so Rizal should redirect to that and this DAB should be moved to a title with a parenthetical (disambiguation). Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 09:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose yes the place is named after José but the place is a full match unlike José like the Raleigh example at WP:NWFCTM. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current arrangement is the same situation as with Washington, Washington (state), and George Washington and the person's article has more views than the state, same as with Rizal the person and Rizal the province. —seav (talk) 22:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. No primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Isn't this exactly what dab pages are for? He's WP:PRIMARY for [[José Rizal]] but not for [[Rizal]]. See also Lincoln and its talk page. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
• Per WP:DPT, let's have a look at some statistics. WikiNav for Rizal shows the two items listed in the common section split the identifiable clicks, more going to the province. All-time mass views for all linked topics show a distinct advantage for the proposed biography, the second being a park, then another biography, then province, and the rest. Monthly page views trends for the most popular topics confirm an order of magnitude difference in interest in the biography, though with a lot of seasonal variability. They also indicate the province article was recently moved to that title in 2023. It seems to have been at the base name, so that move sure seems like it was a good idea. Now, however, I don't think it's clear that we need to do this move to improve navigation for readers. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 10:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

  BTW, while looking for the '23 discussion, I've also seen multiple inquiries from users who noticed the same. Maybe we should check the clickstreams across the page views variability, I'll paste that below. --Joy (talk) 13:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

snapshot of clickstreams from Rizal for 2024

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 192
• Rizal José_Rizal link 63
• total: 255 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 165
• Rizal José_Rizal link 87
• total: 252 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 166
• Rizal José_Rizal link 59
• total: 225 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 177
• Rizal José_Rizal link 73
• total: 250 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 117
• Rizal José_Rizal link 56
• total: 173 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 136
• Rizal José_Rizal link 69
• total: 205 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 143
• Rizal José_Rizal link 122
• Rizal Paciano_Rizal link 42
• Rizal Sha'Carri_Richardson other 33
• Rizal Teletubbies other 29
• Rizal Up_(2009_film) other 10
• total: 379 to 6 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 87
• Rizal José_Rizal link 61
• Rizal Paciano_Rizal link 12
• total: 160 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-09.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 107
• Rizal José_Rizal link 74
• total: 181 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-10.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 119
• Rizal José_Rizal link 40
• total: 159 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-11.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 99
• Rizal José_Rizal link 44
• total: 143 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-12.tsv:

• Rizal Rizal_(province) link 90
• Rizal José_Rizal link 59
• total: 149 to 2 identified destinations

It does seem like users consistently choose both, but there's never a significant advantage in usage for the biography. Without a more coherent long-term significance argument in favor of the biography, it's hard to decide this based on usage. --Joy (talk) 13:11, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.