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A fact from Raymonde Jore appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 October2025(check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Overall: Both articles new enough, long enough and neutral. Two QPQs done. The only support for "the first two to enlist" is the recollection of the women themselves, so suggest not running ALT0. Perhaps, for clarity for international readers, trim ALT1 to ALT1a: ... that 150 New Caledonian women enlisted to join a WWII Free French regiment, but only two, Raymonde Jore and Raymonde Rolly, were accepted? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@TarnishedPath: Here is the translated quote: "One hundred and fifty women wanted to join the Women's Corps, which had recently been created in London. To leave, they had to obtain authorization from General de Gaulle. It was granted. Alas! A few days later, a telegram arrived announcing that, due to the fierce battles raging in the skies over England and the dangers of the journey from Nouméa to London, it was impossible to consider transporting the female volunteers. Governor Sautot insisted with the leader of the Free French Forces. The spontaneity with which the women of Caledonia had responded deserved at least some encouragement. Finally, the general agreed that two of them, the first two to sign up, could be sent to London to symbolize the patriotic gesture of the girls of the Pacific and to represent the French islands of Oceania abroad." (Les femmes, elles, étaient cent cinante à désirer rejoindre le Corps Féminin tout récemment créé à Londres. Pour partir, il fallait obtenir l'autorisation du Général de Gaulle. Elle fut accordée. Hélas!... Quelques jours plus tard arrivait un télégramme annonçant qu'en raison de la grande bataille qui se livrait dans le ciel d'Angleterre et des dangers du voyage Nouméa-Londres, il était impossible d'envisager Com l'acheminement des volontaires féminines.Le gouverneur Sautot insista auprès du Chef des Français Libres. La spontanéité avec laquelle les femmes de Calédonie avaient répondu Présent méritait au moins un encouragement. Finalement, le général accepta que deux d'entre elles, les deux premières engagées, fussent dirigées sur Londres pour symboliser le geste patriotique des filles du Pacifique et pour représenter à l'étranger les îles françaises de l'Océanie). Spiderpig662 (talk) 13:18, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@TarnishedPath: Here is the next sentence of the quote, which is an extract of Jore's book Le Corps de Féminin: 'Finally, the general agreed that two of them, the first two to sign up, could be sent to London to symbolize the patriotic gesture of the girls of the Pacific and to represent the French islands of Oceania abroad. I was one of the two chosen. (Finalement, le général accepta que deux d'entre elles, les deux premières engagées, fussent dirigées sur Londres pour symboliser le geste patriotique des filles du Pacifique et pour représenter à l'étranger les îles françaises de l'Océanie. J'étais l'une des deux élues.). The linked source above also includes a newspaper clipping in English stating that Rolly accompanied Jore. Spiderpig662 (talk) 13:59, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@TarnishedPath: as mentioned above the quote about being chosen was written by Raymonde Jore in her book. In the same source, there is an image of a newspaper clipping that states "Two French girls who had never previously left their homes in Noumea, New Caledonia, are now in Sydney en route to London, to join General de Gaulle's movement. They are Mlles Rolly and Jore". Spiderpig662 (talk) 15:57, 25 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@TarnishedPath:@Launchballer: I've found a different source to support the hook in English "Through the help of the Governor of New Caledonia, who cabled on their behalf General de Gaulle, they received the General's permission to join his forces in London. They are the first girls to do so. "But we have left fifty girls behind us who are only waiting for permission to follow us," says Mlle. Rolly". However there is a discrepancy, as this one states there were 50 other girls, not 150, but I am not sure if this is a misquote by the newspaper as Jore herself later states it was 150. How if necessary this alt hook could be used: ALT2: ... that over 50 New Caledonian women enlisted to join a WWII Free French regiment, but only two, Raymonde Jore and Raymonde Rolly, were accepted? Spiderpig662 (talk) 23:51, 3 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Part of the translated source above states "One hundred and fifty women wanted to join the Women's Corps, which had recently been created in London. To leave, they had to obtain authorization from General de Gaulle. It was granted". Obviously that changed. So I don't feel comfortable stating that only two were accepted, because initially more were accepted. I will approve the following modification of ATL2:
Both articles new enough, long enough and neutral. Two QPQs done. The only support for "the first two to enlist" is the recollection of the women themselves, so suggest not running ALT0. Perhaps, for clarity for international readers, trim ALT1 to ALT1a: ... that 150 New Caledonian women enlisted to join a WWII Free French regiment, but only two, Raymonde Jore and Raymonde Rolly, were accepted? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
@Spiderpig662: "I was one of the two chosen", I presume that is a quote from one of the Raymonde? Also, what about the other Raymonde? TarnishedPathtalk 14:33, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
Part of the translated source above states "