Talk:Prussia

Is anyone still Prussian?

And does anyone have/had grandparents from Prussia? Frankinnit (talk) 07:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

The real Prussians were Slavs, or Baltics. The ancient Prussians had long been assimilated by Germany. The current Prussian region was divided between Poland and Russia, so "Prussians" do not exist in today's world.--Hunchrick time (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Not the page for it perhaps, but not to leave that unsourced claim unaddressed this is false. Not only do we use 2 separate terms to refer to pre-Germanic Prussians (see "Old Prussians"), but Old Prussians were explicitly not Slavic under any system that generally speaking separates Baltic from Slavic at all. "Prussian" here refers to Germanic Prussians, who still exist albeit their dialect & culture are near-extinct being supplanted by modern standard high German. Depending on if Prussia is seen as a separate or same-entity to modern Germany, they can be defined as living in diaspora. 2A02:1210:1CA7:D700:6155:551B:E721:4CA6 (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Prussia article.

This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. PinLarry (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Flag

IP 173.187.121.242 has changed the flag to that used during the German imperial period without explanation. Seeing as the current flag has been stable for a while, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss this change. See Flag of Prussia for options. I can't see a reason to use "State flag of the Kingdom of Prussia (1892–1918)". It isn't the longest used flag (that's one used in the article "State flag of the Kingdom of Prussia (1803–1892)"). It's not a flag used when it was an independent power. It isn't the last flag used by Prussia (That's Flag of the Free State of Prussia (1933–1935)). In fact the only reason this very shortly used flag and is only so associated on the internet as THE flag of Prussia because it was used on Wikipedia for so long.

If the IP, or anybody else, has some reason I'm overlooking for using the 1892-1918 flag in this article can they discuss it here and not revert it again without explanation. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Could both flag be on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.187.121.242 (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@173.187.121.242 (talk), Can you give a reason why you think the 1892–1918 flag is needed. You keep reverting to your preferred version without discussing it. Can you stop and discuss it please. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

"Prussia" should be an article introducing "Prussian region", not "Kingdom of Prussia".

Most of this article talks about the Kingdom of Prussia and its subsequent influence. Why is this?

The original Prussians were ancient Slavs, not Germans at all.In Wiki articles such as "Kingdom of Prussia, Brandenburg-Prussia, Hohenzollern", "Germanized Prussia" has been described in great detail. Here is an entry introducing the "Prussian region" rather than introducing "Germany" Prussian State.——Hunchrick time (talk) 13:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. There is a page for the Kingdom of Prussia, Duchy of Prussia, Brandenburg-Prussia and the Free State of Prussia, covering all eras of existence of the Prussian state. As this page is superfluous, it should be repurposed as the Prussia (region) page. Ecrm87 (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

• I disagree. To treat the Kingdom of Prussia as a continuation of the previous uses of the term is I think ahistorical. The Kingdom of Prussia was centered at Berlin, and had large amount of areas much west of Germany. It even at times included areas now in Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands. It is fundamentally different than the Duchy of Prussia. It is also clearly the main usage of the term, because it was one of the great powers of Europe. If we are going to have Prussia itself be anything but a disambiguation page, than the Kingdom of Prussia should be the main focus of the artcle.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The original Prussians were not Slavs at all; they were Balts. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Related Category names

we currently have no Category as best as I can tell which has a scope of people from this unit. We do have Category:People from the Kingdom of Prussia which previously was People from Prussia, but renamed in August 2022. We also have a People from the Free State of Prussia Category. We have lots of categories for people from the provinces of Prussia, many of which are transcend the line between the Kingdom and the Free State. This includes lots of categories for people by occupation from each province. The whole thing is a mess. We need to fix it. There are 3 solutions. 1-I like this best. Stay with the People from the Kingdom of Prussia name, and rename all its subcats to use the Kingdom of Prussia name. Treat those pre-1701 and post-1918 as from distinct entities. 2-accept that there is one Prussia, at least from 1701 until 1932, Brandenburg-Prussia as the current historiographical name for the pre-1701 entity makes using Prussia before that year hard. If we go this route we would return to the People from Prussia name, and change everything under it to using the Prussia format, thus categories like Scuentists from Prussia etc. The 3rd option is basically the second but we change it to Prussian people, Prussian scientists etc. We currently have categories invoking 1, 2, and 3. Although Immigrants to Prussia may be the only one invoking 2, and it would be that name under 3 as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)