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I certainly appreciate, from the tone of much of the discussion, that Teilhard de Chardin's philosophy is a deeply controversial matter, even today. Perhaps that is why so little information on it is to be found in the encyclopedia article. But that is a very serious problem. I looked up this article, as I imagine most people do, in order to learn something about that philosophy--that is, after all, the most significant reason why the man is of interest today, right? But the article is almost totally unhelpful in this regard, as it consists primarily of a resume of where he attended school, what jobs he worked at, and when he wrote various books and essays. These writings seem to have caused some degree of upset in the Catholic church, but why this is, is never discussed.
Can you imagine the same sort of article about, say, Augustine? Or Aristotle?
Is there any way the obviously energetic and well-informed community represented in this talk page can produce even a couple of paragraphs on the content of Teilhard de Chardin's ideas? That, I can assure you, is what the non-initiated visiting this page want to know about.
I think that the reference to Teilhard de Chardin by Al Gore is appropriate for the category. The reason for this being 1) English Popular articles on Teilhard frequently cite this connection, including the Wired article 2) The amount of intellectual discussion provoked by Al Gore's book in the context of popular history, ie. "Bible Christian" Republicans picking up on this connection. 3)The influence of Teilhard on some of the existing "pop ecology", which I would argue Al Gore's book is a part of. 4) Generally if something seems "too trivial" it rather needs to be edited or expounded on rather than axed or erased. As a rule wikipedia is not perfect, and some things on this page seem sort of based on different projects, like the massive paragraph on Ong, or the integrist block but i believe rather than deleting them that they can be integrated into the article, for instance if there is ever a category on "influence" then the Ong paragraph will go there, including the integrist block. This being said the Al Gore reference belongs in "pop culture" because of the continuing popular vibrations from this inclusion of Teilhard into the book: Earth in the Balance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.135.27.67 (talk • contribs) 16:47, September 10, 2005 (UTC) (CLAVIO September 10, 2005)
Inaccurate statement regarding his published works in the Bibliography.
This statement is partially accurate: The dates in parentheses are the dates of first publication in French and English. Most of these works were written years earlier, but Teilhard's ecclesiastical order forbade him to publish them because of their controversial nature. The essay collections are organized by subject rather than date, thus each one typically spans many years. Two books published by Collins do not appear in the bibliography, they are The Appearance of Man and Vision of the Past. These two books are comprised of essays published during Teilhard's lifetime in the French scientific journal Etudes. The blanket statement that "Teilhard's [Religious]ecclesiastical order frobade him to publish them because of their controversial nature..." is only partially accurate. Some of his scientific works were in fact published in his lifetime.
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