Talk:Mohamed Al-Fayed

Frühes Leben und Familie

"In den vergangenen Jahren zog Al-Fayed (Rem.: Mohamed Al-Fayed) sich aus der Öffentlichkeit weitgehend zurück und lebte mit seiner Frau in seiner Villa in Surrey."

Quelle: t-online[.]de 2023-09-02 /

02. September 2023 Uazt (talk) 10:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Rape, sexual assault and sexual harassment allegations

Now that there's a whole section on this, should it not be mentioned in the lead section? Seems to be rapidly gaining momentum. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I think it should be in the lead, but I think there a danger of WP:NOTNEWS here as well in the context of your "gaining momentum' - The BBC are reporting it pretty breathlessly but it's their investigation. I asked for this to be protected yesterday because of the IP RAPIST!!! spam coming in. Also all this is posthumous so the man isn't going to be tried or given the opportunity to defend himself.

May be add something like 'From 1997 onwards Al Fayed has been the subject of media scrutiny and investigations into allegations of sexual harassment and assault, including posthumous accusations of rape.' Golikom (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It is BBC led, but it's now very widely reported, with some quite startling headlines, e.g. The Independent, usually pretty moderate, has: "Mohamed Al Fayed ‘combined most horrific parts of Jimmy Savile, Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein’". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yup. I'm not trying to defend/whitewash for him, just trying to give what seems like a fair report of it when there's nothing in a court of law - looks like there maybe findings in civil courts later though?

Seems like this would have been in the lead before though? the section is longstanding and extensive enough to warrant mention so has this been taken out by someone already? Golikom (talk) 11:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm sure you are not trying to defend/whitewash in any way. There seems to have been an IP edit war which has resulted in some oversight, so I imagine whatever was there has been lost by collateral damage. I will add "From 1997 onwards Al Fayed has been the subject of media scrutiny and investigations into allegations of sexual harassment and assault, including posthumous accusations of rape", as suggested, and we can go from there, if needed. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The "al" in al-Fayed is not an aristocrat pretension

The article states that al-Fayed added "al-" to his name to enhance his status and was this called the "phony pharaoh". Al- is the definite article and means "the" in Arabic and it's extremely common for it to be added to or dropped from names. It rarely significantly affects the meaning. It's spelled ألـ correctly, although usually occurs as الـ, joined to the noun.

There is a similar word āl (no hyphen in translation) which is a noun and does mean "family (of)", and is mostly used by royal families these days. It's correctly spelled آل and in names will be in construct state with the following noun, not joined. It is pronounced differently than al-. I've never heard anyone pronounce al-Fayed's name as the latter āl. On Arabic Wikipedia it's spelled "al-". No one who speaks Arabic would confuse the definite article al- the the noun āl.

Unless there is actual evidence out there that al-Fayed was making inflated claims about his lineage, these sentences and the sources in the article just look made up by someone who doesn't know a word of Arabic and should be deleted. 2601:283:4700:94F0:6A2F:255A:35F8:EAB4 (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

That's complete WP:OR nonsense. See the cited sources in the article. DeCausa (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@DeCausa I looked at the sources, and I looked at the Arabic Wikipedia page. The English sources don't even state very clearly that he tried to change his name to āl. I have a PhD in Arabic and lived in Egypt for three years. This doesn't require original research, this is like pointing out that someone has confused "knead" and "need." 2601:283:4700:94F0:EBC1:3CFA:5D6B:39AD (talk) 01:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@2601:283:4700:94F0:EBC1:3CFA:5D6B:39AD all the source, the Independent, says is "Born Mohamed Fayed he added the aristocratic prefix "al" to his name only at the age of 45." You can look at his name in any Arabic source and see it's al- not āl. The journalist clearly doesn't know Arabic or he wouldn't call āl a prefix, it's a common noun. The al in question not an "aristocrat prefix" it's the definite article. 2601:283:4700:94F0:EBC1:3CFA:5D6B:39AD (talk) 01:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there any evidence he went through an official process to and it, though? Just because I call myself The Jabberwoch doesn’t change my username on Wikipedia Jabberwoch (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Delivered to a Predator: Al Fayed’s Fixer on Channel 4

Delivered to a Predator: Al Fayed’s Fixer on Channel 4

• https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/apr/03/dispatches-delivered-to-a-predator-al-fayed-fixer-channel-4-review
• https://archive.is/20250403204942/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/03/fayed-fixer-told-woman-think-someone-else-during-rape-bid/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20250403163450mp_/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/03/harrods-executive-mohamed-fayed-female-fixer/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20250407183024/https://www.yahoo.com/news/women-help-men-abuse-other-162418847.html
• "Kelly Walker-Duncalf"
• https://www.arts.ac.uk/colleges/london-college-of-fashion/stories/top-public-speaking-tips-for-fashion-careers-from-industry-experts
• https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08715282/filing-history
• "Founder of Luxury recruitment consultancy, KWD Solutions, Kelly Walker-Duncalf"

• https://web.archive.org/web/20140911085531/http://demoisellelondon.com/the-bits-that-lay-beneath/

• https://www.telegraph.co.uk/mohamed-fayed/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20240923105858/https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj4521d4q6o
• https://web.archive.org/web/20250331002605/https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqx4j30q48lo
• https://web.archive.org/web/20240926164549/https://jerseyeveningpost.com/morenews/uknews/2024/09/26/met-investigating-fresh-al-fayed-allegations-on-top-of-19-existing-complaints/

69.181.17.113 (talk) 21:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

The phoney name issue

Shouldn’t his “full” name as it initially appears in the first paragraph be his actual birth name? Was sure this was a Wikipedia practice or convention. If one is correct regarding this, then surely his name should appear as "Mohamed Abdel Moneim Fayed", minus the "Al" prefix that he vainly added later in life. One labels it vanity as clearly the nobility he wished for (read: honesty, virtue etc.) was utterly non-existent in his life and behaviour. Arguably the name is merely another reminder of a con-man or dissembler - one who hoodwinks people whilst hiding behind a bogus cloak of respectability. Charliepenandink (talk) 15:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)