Talk:Mayo FC

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Page move to Mayo F.C.

Latest comment: 3 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi folks,

I thought I'd start a discussion on this as I noticed there was a recent attempt at a page move. I had this page move on my own to-do list but @Supersaints2014 got there ahead of me.

I personally thought this was a straightforward page move and therefore did not need to be discussed. The club's full name is Mayo Football Club and as per the consistency guideline in WP:CRITERIA, the article should be titled Mayo F.C. using the common abbreviation for "football club."

I agree that the club itself excludes the periods in its own crest and therefore I think adding Mayo FC as a redirect to the page should be included in the move, but my interpretation is that it should not be the article title. @Guliolopez do you feel strongly enough about this that we need to open this up for consensus or can we revert back to Mayo F.C.?

Cheers, ElfmanWriter (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi @ElfmanWriter. Thanks very much for opening this thread and for the ping. In terms of:

WP:RMUM. Yes, I restored the original title following the recent undiscussed move. I did this in line with the applicable guideline. Because, when @CeltBrowne originally created the article, I think they titled it correctly/reasonably based on the sources and guidelines.
WP:CRITERIA. The first (main?) part of the guideline suggests that "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject". As a significant majority (11x of 15?) of the sources use "Mayo FC", it seems to me that the title was/is consistent with this norm. (While 2x sources use "Mayo F.C." and 1x uses "Mayo Football Club", compared to the volume which use "Mayo FC", neither seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME.)
WP:CONSISTENCY. While consistency is a laudable goal, I'm not sure it should "trump" other considerations. Also, even if consistency were a primary goal, I note that even if we compare to the titles of other/similar club articles, "FC" (no punctuation) is fairly common. In, for example, Category:Association football clubs established in 2023 (one of the few club categories that the Mayo FC article lies within), there are far more titles which use "FC" (~50x of 118 members?) than use "F.C." (~25x of 118). Suggesting that the current title meets both COMMONNAME and CONSISTENT(?)

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 09:24, 7 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

No problem @Guliolopez, thanks for engaging.

Just to clarify, there are five criteria for article titles in the WP:CRITERIA guideline but I don't see it mentioned that any one of the criteria is more important than the others. If you are referring to a specific part of the guideline that suggests which criteria is the main one to apply, can you provide it please?

While both titles appear to meet four of the five criteria, it was the consistency criteria that caught my eye. The guideline directs us to use a title "consistent with the pattern used in the titles of similar articles" which for Irish clubs would be F.C. instead of using FC to abbreviate the words 'Football Club'. WP:CONSISTENT also instructs us that titles should be consistent among articles covering similar topics.

Nevertheless, consensus should be used to determine the best suited title so if you still believe the article should not contain periods, I think we should open the discussion to the wider community for input.

Cheers, ElfmanWriter (talk) 21:54, 2 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi. My point is simple: WP:COMMONNAME is what typically determines an article's title - and there has to be good reason for the concision, precision or consistency considerations to "override" this.

Not only is there every indication (based on 11 of 15 sources) that "Mayo FC" is the subject's common name, the precision, concision and consistency norms don't support adding in the "full stops". (Especially when there is clear precedent, including in the other club articles of the cats in which the article appears that "FC" is [also] a consistent/common abbreviation for "football club".)

There's no problem to fix here. Moving the article (to a title which isn't the COMMONNAME) doesn't improve the article or Wikipedia as a whole. Guliolopez (talk) 01:25, 3 August 2026 (UTC)Reply