Talk:Manchukuo

Religions in infobox disappeared?

Hi, I wanted to check to know, but did you remove the religions in the infobox? Manchukuo worshipped different religions. I need to check to see if it's true or not.

Name

@WeaponizingArchitecture As I have said over and over again, which at this point is getting annoying, Manchoukuo IS the most commonly used, and consistently used, official name for Manchoukuo, both in English and in the official languages of the country. NOT 'Empire of Manchuria', Manchoukuo.

Was Manchuria used as a synonym for Manchukuo in English sources? Yes- in NON-government sources. Government sources rarely used Manchuria and they almost ALWAYS preferred Manchoukuo.

Conventional long name is for the FORMAL name. Manchoukuo is the most consistently used name in that capacity. Not 'Manchou Empire', not 'Empire of Manchuria', not whatever else. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 04:14, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I have no idea why you are trying to force a "Turkiye" onto a dead client state of the Japanese, but your conduct is also incredibly rude. "Empire of Manchuria" is the most accurate TRANSLATION of 满洲帝国 into English. This is the English wikipedia. You also through your constant edit warring removed important sources I gathered for the name section. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 15:15, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

This is not a 'Turkiye' situation. Manchoukuo was the official name USED by the government. What in the world are you talking about? TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if Empire of Manchuria is the most accurate translation of that name into English: it doesn't matter because that was not the most consistently used name, Manchoukuo was. The fact that you continue to ignore this and insist on a name which was only occassionally attested is annoying.

Even if we were to insist on basing the name on Manchoutikuo, the correct translation would be Manchou Empire or Empire of Manchou, since that was the translation the government itself used. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

and external sources called it the "Manchu Empire" or "Manchukuo" in English. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 12:01, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Furthermore, Syria calls itself the "Syrian Arabic Republic" but pretty much all of the other english sources call it the "Syrian Arab Republic" because that's the more accurate translation. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 12:05, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. The most commonly used name by Manchukuo's government was Manchoukuo. It was the official name. It doesn't matter what foreign English sources say, because the government already gave an answer to what it considers 'the official name' - and that is Manchoukuo. End of story. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

why are you being so rude _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 17:53, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Because I hate everyone and everything. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 22:28, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Alright well that's unfortunate to hear.

Also to be clear, the sources contradict your assertion "Manchoukuo" is the official name (such as "Manchuria" and "Manchoukuo" being used in the same page on a brochure, for which I have cited in the article. Manchoukuo was used, as indicated by the sources, as a common name attempt. However, when used in english, "Manchuria" or "Manchukuo" often overrided "Manchoukuo" in use, including by the state itself. (also this doesn't comply with WP:COMMONNAME. You're engaging in edit warring over this, even when the intent by my edit was not to override the official name as "Empire of Manchuria" but to compromise it and add important context. I would appreciate your understanding here. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 15:59, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

However, when used in english, 'Manchuria' or 'Manchukuo' often overrided 'Manchoukuo' in use.

Yes. Correct. Manchukuo is the WP:COMMONNAME. The problem with your edits and your arguments is that Manchoukuo was still by far the preferred name of the state and was used for all intents and purposes more than any other term by Hsinking. The fact that you have cherrypicked a few sources, many of which were unaffiliated with the Hsinking government, does not change the fact that Manchoukuo was still overwhelmingly preferred.

The English translation of the Japan-"Manchoukuo" Protocol of September 15, 1932 used Manchoukuo.

The English translation of Manchukuo's Government Organization Law of 1932 also used Manchoukuo, with State of Manchuria being provided as a gloss of the term.

I have never denied that Manchuria and Manchukuo are/were the more common names of the state. The Manchukuoan government itself on occassion did use Manchuria as a gloss for Manchukuo, but that does not make it the most consistently used name by the government, Manchoukuo was. In regards to the name of the Empire, 'Empire of Manchuria' was never used, from my research, by the government; instead Manchou Empire was preferred. Is it true that foreign observers and magazines coined the term 'Empire of Manchuria' or 'Manchu Empire' or whatnot? Yes! I do not disagree with that fact. But the government of Manchukuo already provided a translation: Manchou Empire.

I do not necessarily disagree with the changes made to the infobox, but alternative names/translations should go under #Names, not in the lede.

"Manchukuo, or Manchoukuo (note redirecting readers to the Name section here)", was (blah blah blah). TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Also, the whole "Only Japan called Manchukuo 'Manchoukuo'." argument that you are clearly trying to push here with this section is nonsense.

The state was commonly referred to by the Japanese as Manchoukuo in English...

No. The state commonly referred to itself as Manchoukuo in English. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Per the edit, I've used "Manchukuo, or Manchoukuo" to stress the fact that Manchukuo was indeed used by the government, just as Manchoukuo was more commonly. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

There... isnt any meaningful difference between "Manchukuo" and "Manchoukuo" though. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 03:59, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

I was actually mistaken. Manchoukuo was preferred by the government overwhelmingly and consistently in its official dealings, and Manchukuo rarely appears. The Manchoukuo Handbook of Information, published by the Department of Foreign Affairs, did not use 'Manchukuo' once in its handbook. General Survey of Conditions in Manchoukuo, 1936 - none. The Voice of the People of Manchoukuo, 1932 - none. A General Outline of Manchoukuo, 1932 - none. Manchoukuo Today, 1940 - none. Manchoukuo Today: Finance, Commerce and Trade, 1940 - none. Manchoukuo Year Book, 1942 - none. Directory of Manchoukuo, 1938-1939 - none. Illustrated Guide Book for Travelling in Manchoukuo - none. Manchuria Daily News enthronment supplement, 1 March 1934 - none. Manchoukuo was therefore overwhelmingly the term they preferred to use.

As for the difference between 'Manchukuo' and 'Manchoukuo', the latter has a geographical context, as explained by the article itself. 'Manchou' is a gloss for 'Manchuria', a geographic region, rather than purely an ethnonym (its former meaning, indeed) which Manchukuo would imply: which is to say Manchukuo implies 'Manchu-state', while Manchoukuo implies 'Manchuria-state'. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 06:40, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

This doesn't really track because in English colloquial usage it would have rendered as "Manchukuo" anyways. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 13:28, 4 August 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. The government used Manchoukuo. What are you confused about? TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2026 (UTC)