Talk:King-Ramsay-Conner case

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On 5 January 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Murder trial of Earl King, Ernest Ramsay, and Frank Conner to King-Ramsay-Conner case. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 5 January 2025

Latest comment: 1 year ago12 comments6 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is some consensus that the alternative proposed title is the closest what being commonly referred in the sources. – robertsky (talk) 07:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Murder trial of Earl King, Ernest Ramsay, and Frank Conner → George Alberts murder case – The current title does not accurately reflect the contents of the page, which is focussed on the case as a whole rather than the trial specifically. Other Wikipedia pages titled after a trial (e.g. O.J. Simpson case, Trial of Derek Chauvin, Commonwealth v. Abu-Jamal) are so titled because they mainly focus on the legal proceedings, which only get a single paragraph in this article. TRCRF22 (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

How about Murder conviction of Earl King, Ernest Ramsay, and Frank Conner?: How do sources refer to this? The article presents the view that the murder of Alberts was a pretext for charging King, Ramsay and Conner with a crime in order to interfere with their union leadership and that this was the primary source of the notability of the case. It seems that the case is better known in association with the names of the men who were convicted than in association with the non-notable murder victim. Two of the 14 source citations mention King, Ramsay and Conner in their titles, one of them mentions their names in the name of the authoring organization, and none of them mention Alberts. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I agree with @BarrelProof Most of the sources that I looked at previously refer to it as the King-Ramsey-Conner case, and George Alberts is hardly brought up outside of the fact that he was the victim. Murder conviction of Earl King, Ernest Ramsay, and Frank Conner would be a better title if we want to rename it. @TRCRF22 NewishIdeas (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
@NewishIdeas If what you say is correct, then surely the best title would be King-Ramsay-Conner case, which is both the common name and a more WP:CONCISE option than both BarrelProof's suggestion and the status quo. TRCRF22 (talk) 23:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
King-Ramsay-Conner case is also a good title, I just believe that the alternative title is more descriptive and serves the article better. NewishIdeas (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Support King-Ramsay-Conner case: The case is more notable than the murder. The case involved a governor and the chief justice of the supreme court (Earl Warren – one of the most famous ones). The murder was not even very clearly connected to the case. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Support King-Ramsay-Conner case. After thinking about it for a bit, this should be the title due to the reasons stated above by @BarrelProof and @TRCRF22 NewishIdeas (talk) 02:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

It also seems to often be called the Shipboard murder case. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Support title being Murder of George Alberts. The legal stuff is as a result of the crime. The other "murder case" titles are ok too, strongly oppose "murder conviction of ..." as a title because we do not title things this way. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Support Murder of George Alberts. By far the best title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Should probably clarify my position to aid the closer. If my original suggestion is rejected I would also support King-Ramsay-Conner case for reasons I have already stated. TRCRF22 (talk) 13:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.