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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 13:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Missing countries.

On the section that mentions the Honour Killing rate by country, there are some countries where Honour Killing is prevalent, either natively or in Immigrant communities like Russia or Ukraine in Europe. I found out that Russia also has one of the highest Honour Killing rates and it happens in Immigrant communities and natively, it happens as a cultural practice in Dagestan. LDas12345 (talk) 18:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

In order to add any of this to the article, our policy on verifiability (WP:V) requires the citation of reliable sources (WP:RS) that directly support the statements, and without, as Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material puts it, combining "material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source ... [or] different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." WP:DUE may also apply. NebY (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Country list

In Russia (or North Caucasus) is no such thing as honor killing. Thank Allah. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 10:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Philippines

Is Honour Killing really a tradition in that country? I found femicides but these are not explicitly mentioned to be honour codes.

Maybe it happens in the Muslim community of that country as FGM happens there too? 2A02:C7C:B459:F500:54A5:3828:A122:D66A (talk) 14:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)—  Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation.

The section "In national legal codes" details the laws in Philippines, citing several articles of law in that country which enable such homicides, or otherwise support practices related to restoring the honor (including the marry-your-rapist law law). And Article 255 explicitly mentions "dishonor". See also this (on Article 247). Clearly a country with a law which enables the killing of a daughter by her parents for premarital sex falls in the category of countries which subscribe to honor codes, as understood by international standards. 82.78.48.250 (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

British Sikh community

NebY, i remember a few months ago I added "sikhs" after Muslims and Hindus were mentioned (the section of homosexuality being a motivation), and you have undone it. Other than my poor reasoning not being found within the study, why shouldn't I include Sikhs in it? It is true that Honour Killing is a widespread practice in many Sikh families. Not just Muslims or Hindu ones. 2A02:C7C:B459:F500:D0E1:C249:C260:C155 (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)—  Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation.

In order to add that to the article, our policy on verifiability (WP:V) requires the citation of reliable sources (WP:RS) that directly support the statements, and without, as Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material puts it, combining "material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source ... [or] different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." WP:DUE would also apply. NebY (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit removal

@Gonnym: please could you explain you mean by that edit summary? I do not think removing a massive source of UK information is necessary, considering how the sources are genuinely reported. Also, new wiki users or viewers may use the mobile website and options like edit history are hidden. This will stay reverted until you explain even more. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)—  Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation.

The huge commented out text I removed is commented out, which means no one can see it. Commented out text might be useful in very specific scenarios where a short sentence needs to explain a peiece of information to other editors, but even in those situations, usually a non-commented out template might be used (like {{Better source needed}} instead of <!--this needs a better source-->. This situation however, is not those specific scenarios. This is just a huge piece of text that was removed from the article for one reason or another. If it's useful, add it. If it isn't, it should be removed. Any user who wishes to view the history of the article, can do so the standard way. If new users don't know how, they can learn. Those same users, as I've explained, will have a harder time editing this article since they now have an additional hidden piece of text to deal with. They might even edit it and find out that what they edit isn't shown, making their experience even worse.

Can you explain why this article is different than every other article on en.wiki and needs this? Gonnym (talk) 11:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gonnym well, it is useful as those BBC articles discuss where they happen, as well as the cases in the UK. How is it hidden in the article? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)—  Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation.

The text has <!-- and --> around it for some reason. See MOS:COMMENT.

If you look at the article, the text is not there. It only shows up when editing the article source.

From the page history an IP commented it out in May 2021 without any explanation. Belbury (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Italy: "Crime against honor" vs "Honor killing"

In Italy,the law used to make a distinction between delitto contro l'onore (Crime against honor) and delitto d'onore (Honor crime).
"Crime against honor" designates insults, defamation and other offences to someone's reputation.
The duel used to be a way to obtain satisfaction and restore the family's reputation. Today, crimes against honor are still punished according to the articles n. 594-599 of the Italian penal code (Book 2, 12th Title).
Honor killing refers to the femicide of a woman who is sexually active outside marriage, but her "lover" could also be killed.

Honor killing became illegal in Italy more or less at the same time as the duel. However, until 1981 the law admitted the woman’s unfaithfulness as an extenuating circumstance (Codice Penale Zanardelli 1888, art. 377; Codice penale Rocco 1930, art. 587).

The Italian law is obviously based on a Latin tradition; however, it seems to me that the notion of "crime against honor" is primal to understand the mindset of honor killing; if a similar notion existed in the anglosaxon tradition, it could be useful to structure this article.

Perhaps "code of honor" could be a good candidate?

s.vecchiato (talk) 10:04, 30 December 2025 (UTC)