Talk:Grete Scherzer

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:59, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

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• ... that despite being an international prize winner, pianist Grete Scherzer made her television debut in 1950 on the BBC series For the Children?

• Source: "Friday, October 6". Radio Times (1406): 45. 1950. Retrieved 27 February 2026 – via BBC Genome Project.

• ALT1: ... that the reasons why pianist Grete Scherzer permanently ended her career after a 1957 concert at Wigmore Hall remain a "mystery"?

• Source 1 (last concert and mystery): Deschamps, Thomas (February 2024). "Grete Scherzer, la mystérieuse" [Grete Scherzer, the mysterious]. Classica (in French) (259): 122. L'année de son mariage avec Rex Raab, elle donne un dernier concert au Wigmore Hall, le 14 octobre ... La vie artistique de Grete Scherzer prend ensuite un tournant plus confidentiel. Amour, prosélytisme idéologique, convention sociale, on ne peut en définir la raison précise. Le mystère reste entier. ... Après les Schubert, Schumann et Ravel que nous rééditons, plusieurs pages de Debussy, dont Pour le piano, deux sonates de Scarlatti, des pièces de Brahms, de Chopin et des concertos de Haydn et de Mozart restent à découvrir.
• Source 2 (1957 = year of her wedding): Sharp, Dennis (15 April 2004). "Rex Raab". The Independent: 35. Retrieved 2026-02-25 – via Newspapers.com. Raab was 40 years old when he established his own office in southern Germany, beginning a life as a busy practitioner with a small staff and many commissions and consultancies. ... Rex Raab, architect and teacher: born London, 7 April 1914; married 1957 Grete Scherzer; died Stuttgart, Germany, 19 March 2004.

• ALT2: ... that at age 17, pianist Grete Scherzer was described as looking "like a Dresden china figure" while giving "most intimate and expressive" musical interpretations?

• Source (Dresden china figure): "Viennese schoolgirl's English debut". Chelsea News: 4. 20 October 1950. Retrieved 2026-02-27 – via Newspapers.com. Looking like a Dresden china figure in her first grown-up evening gown, 17-year-old Grete Scherzer, the pigtailed Viennese pianist ... she gave a one-woman recital that included works by Bach, Schubert, Schumann, and Chopin, and an enthusiastic audience accorded her half a dozen curtain calls at the end.
• Source (intimate & expressiv): Richards, Denby (20 October 1950). "Music review by Kensington News music critic Denby Richards". The Kensington News and West London Times: 5. Retrieved 2026-02-27 – via Newspapers.com. From the opening bars of Bach's Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue, Miss Scherzer showed herself in possession of a musical maturity unusual in one so young, and this impression was amply justified in the Schubert Posthumous Sonata, the performance of which was one of the most intimate and expressive I have ever heard.

• ALT3: ... that although the pianist Grete Scherzer retired from the stage in 1957, a collection of her recordings was released in 2024?

• Source 1 (last concert): Deschamps, Thomas (February 2024). "Grete Scherzer, la mystérieuse" [Grete Scherzer, the mysterious]. Classica (in French) (259): 122. L'année de son mariage avec Rex Raab, elle donne un dernier concert au Wigmore Hall, le 14 octobre ... La vie artistique de Grete Scherzer prend ensuite un tournant plus confidentiel. Amour, prosélytisme idéologique, convention sociale, on ne peut en définir la raison précise. Le mystère reste entier. ... Après les Schubert, Schumann et Ravel que nous rééditons, plusieurs pages de Debussy, dont Pour le piano, deux sonates de Scarlatti, des pièces de Brahms, de Chopin et des concertos de Haydn et de Mozart restent à découvrir.
• Source 2 (year of her wedding): Sharp, Dennis (15 April 2004). "Rex Raab". The Independent: 35. Retrieved 2026-02-25 – via Newspapers.com. Raab was 40 years old when he established his own office in southern Germany, beginning a life as a busy practitioner with a small staff and many commissions and consultancies. ... Rex Raab, architect and teacher: born London, 7 April 1914; married 1957 Grete Scherzer; died Stuttgart, Germany, 19 March 2004.
• Source 3 (recording re-release 2024): "Grete Scherzer (1933-2007 Joue Schubert, Ravel et Schumann)". Classica (in French). 2024-01-24. Retrieved 2026-02-28. Enregistré à Londres entre 1952 et 1956, Parlophone. CD «Les Introuvables», vol. 39, Classica n°259

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  • Comment: The fair use image in the article is not an element of the candidacy.

Created by PaulasBunt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

PaulasBunt (talk) 07:19, 2 March 2026 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

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• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced, neutral and plagiarism free. I have labelled a few missing citations, as well as the word "anthroposophical" (i don't know what it means). The hook is cited and interesting, but I don't think it quite makes sense? I don't see why it was a surprise that it was her first TV appearance - surely thats not unusual in the era? Could you propose a revision? Or a different hook for a promoter to choose from? QPQ is note required as a new nomination. Lajmmoore (talk) 17:47, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

I added a link to anthroposophy; the tags still need resolving.--Launchballer 18:21, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I am also here to learn. Hmmm... I was impressed by her Schubert Prize, ok, by her Schubert recordings, which show such maturity... and... perhaps despite her youth... it was kind of... a children's programme... what? Tomorrow morning I will add ALT1 and perhaps ALT2.I need a bit of time to think about it. PaulasBunt (talk) 20:51, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Is this good to go now? ALT1 seems to be the most interesting option so far. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:03, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: Hi, I’ve updated the nomination to include the requested ALT texts and additional citations. I also realised that my earlier self-assessment of the article's class on the talk page was premature, so I’ve removed it to wait for an independent evaluation. I’m dedicated to documenting these forgotten female pianists and want to ensure the entry meets all standards. Looking forward to your thoughts on the updates! Best, PaulasBunt (talk) 16:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

PaulasBunt thanks for the changes so far - there are still two places where there needs to be a reference. Hopefully they are easy for you to address? Lajmmoore (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

LajmmooreTo be clear: I reject you as a reviewer for the DYK nomination because you are not interested in the nomination itself, but instead are tinkering with the article, which you obviously haven't read. It is neither plagiarism nor original research, and it was graded B by an independent person. If you can't handle that and have to dig deeper after a very long pause to demand even more sources… that's not my problem. Your tone—whether I can handle it, oh, big question mark—is extremely inappropriate. You can treat "anyone" like that, but certainly not adult Wikipedia contributors.PaulasBunt (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello PaulasBunt - just to address the above, I haven't suggested any plagiarism or original research, just merely asked for citations to be at the end of a couple of paragraphs. I have no issue with the rating. My intention with the phrase Hopefully they are easy for you to address? was intended to be kindly, as I saw you are new to the DYK process. It didn't occur to me they may be taken another way (which is something for me to think about in future). I think the comment on delay is a little unwarranted - the message above from the 9 March was my first indication from you that the comments had been addressed, I don't think 2 days is an unreasonable response time. If I am waiting for another volunteer here, I try to assume good faith - there are a myriad of reasons why an individual person might be delayed Lajmmoore (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore + @Launchballer + Narutolovehinata5: I have updated the introduction to Grete Scherzer's article to better reflect the international significance of the topic and have adjusted all the citation tags that the DYK reviewer requested after a ten-day delay. Was the initial review, therefore, just a kind of non-binding "let's see"? Since my provided ALT hooks were also inexplicably disregarded in this "discussion," I am now focusing on the article's nomination as a GA. Regarding DYK, I request a final decision or a review by a new reviewer to conclude this process. PaulasBunt (talk) 08:41, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

• Happy to approve, missing citations are now clarified, as are additional initial concerns. As comments above: ALT1 seems a good choice of hook for the promoter Lajmmoore (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Lajmmoore Okay, it was my mistake not to report the adding of the initial missing cites on this talk page the same evening of your review... that was stupid of me... and thanks to you, I now understand that every sentence/paragraph ends with a cite. So I learned a very good lesson from you. And will hold on to it. Good job, Lajmmoore, PaulasBunt (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

PaulasBunt, I am going to promote this hook now; however, I do feel that your conduct in this discussion has been distinctly substandard, and would appreciate it if you apologised to the reviewer, who was acting in perfectly good faith. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:57, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 Thank you for the feedback. I have followed your advice and posted a formal apology on Lajmmoore's talk page. I am still adjusting to the communication norms here, but I appreciate the reminder. PaulasBunt (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2026 (UTC)