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Latest comment: 8 months ago by Royiswariii in topic First Luv Language
Archive 1

Requested move 2 October 2025

Latest comment: 10 months ago10 comments6 people in discussion

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Tenshi! (Talk page) 13:09, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

First Luv (song) → First Luv – I check the page history and it seems the author intended to change the title to "First Time" not "First Luv", since the latter is not to close to "Firs Love" by Rita Iringan. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:49, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Women in Music, WikiProject Pop music, Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine Music, and Tambayan Philippines have been notified of this discussion. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:50, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Songs has been notified of this discussion. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:58, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
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First Luv Language

Latest comment: 8 months ago32 comments7 people in discussion

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This Anonymous Address twice editing the language of the song "First Luv". They edited to "Tagalog" → "Filipino". As they said: the language is filipino which tagalog is part of and I also added a source that this uses filipino language.. But, the sources such as Billboard Philippines, Bandwagon Asia and Philippine Daily Inquirer and since this is Philippine English, i think it is suitable here per Wikipedia:Manual of Style § National varieties of English. Potential to add to FAQ. Mention AstrooKai, Bloomagiliw who also edited as "Tagalog", ArinAstrid, and Borgenland for their thoughts. ROY is WAR Talk! 08:31, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Add that Rappler said: BINI drops new Filipino single ‘First Luv’ on their title. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:47, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
That anonymous editor is misinformed (as many Filipinos are); it's the other way around. Even the Wikipedia page for the "Filipino language" acknowledges that its very base is Tagalog, meaning Filipino is a part of Tagalog, if anything.

Both Filipino and Tagalog are mutually intelligible as well. In pretty much every Bini song article, I've tried to put Tagalog as the language but other people edit it into Filipino, and then the aforementioned people also add categories pertaining to Tagalog... because they are the same language. And people use both terms to refer to the same thing. Filipino is just a standardized variety in theory, and even still, in practice it's used to refer to non-standardized Tagalog as well.
I would personally use Tagalog as most sources use the word + it's more accurate, to be honest. But if you look at SB19 song articles, most of them use "Tagalog," and they have no trouble getting GA and FA status. In all honesty, I would personally use Tagalog instead of Filipino in most Bini song articles, if people didn't keep changing it to Filipino.
Just clarifying that I'm not mad in any way, this is just me explaining my stance on language terminology so you and the other editors can understand. Bloomagiliw (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
I think need to add {{FAQ}}? And also, I think it is need to consider that the article is in Philippine English. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:23, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
IMO, it would be better to put a hidden note e.g. the one I put at the beginning of Ji-young Yoo's page (regarding her birth date) or the one about Colet's name at the start of her page.
Not sure what you mean by the reminder that the article is in Philippine English, but "Tagalog" is a word found in both Philippine and international forms of English. Bloomagiliw (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
By 'base', I'm pretty sure it means that the Filipino languages uses Tagalog words as starting point of the language. Filipino language is basically Tagalog + words from other languages. All Tagalog words are considered Filipino but not all Filipino words are considered Tagalog.
I would prefer putting Filipino as the language, though, to make it uniform with the others. Babyronii (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
I just realized saying "all" is kind of a stretch since Filipino doesn't consider some words from Tagalog dialects. Babyronii (talk) 16:14, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
It was said by the sources, so we should follow that. ROY is WAR Talk! 21:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
If you base it on the article created by ABS-CBN Corporate Communications itself. They actually refer to "First Luv" as a Filipino single. Babyronii (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
ABS-CBN is a primary source. Although, ABS-CBN is reliable source but we need to check secondary source and not relying always to ABS-CBN. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
ABS-CBN has already referred to it as a "Filipino" single, which is also supported by the Rappler article you cited above, which serves as a secondary source. Those are already dead giveaways that the song's language should be listed as Filipino.
I don't understand why this thread is still going back and forth over whether it's Filipino or Tagalog when the sources seem clear on this. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
ABS-CBN also referred to it as a Tagalog single: https://www.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/showbiz/music/2025/10/3/bini-drops-tagalog-single-luv-u-ahead-of-philippine-arena-concert-1157
Most other secondary sources, including the Philippine Daily Inquirer, referred to it as a Tagalog single. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:16, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Honestly, it's not that big of a deal whether it’s listed as Tagalog or Filipino, since news outlets tend to use the two terms interchangeably depending on their editorial style. However, for consistency with other song articles, it would make more sense to list it as "Filipino".
It's not like Filipino and Tagalog differs significantly. Filipino is just the standardized and official form of Tagalog that incorporates some loanwords from other Philippine languages. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
The "Filipino is Tagalog + other Philippine languages" thing is purely theoretical. In practice, it's still mutually intelligible with Tagalog and is basically just standardized Tagalog. Bloomagiliw (talk) 08:12, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
@Royiswariii, could you please clarify your initial message? You mentioned that the IP editor changed the song's language from "Tagalog" to "Filipino", implying that the edit was incorrect and that it should remain Tagalog. However, you also cited the MOS guideline on national varieties of English, which I'm not sure how it is relevant in this context.
Additionally, you referenced the Rappler article that actually supports the IP's change to "Filipino", which seems to contradict your initial point. Could you clarify which one you believe should be listed as the language in the article, Filipino or Tagalog? AstrooKai (Talk) 09:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
AstrooKai, The IP editor stated in their first edit that they replaced "Tagalog with "Filipino" for "international listeners". In their second edit, they reverted it and explained that "the language is Filipino, which Tagalog is part of", adding a source claiming the song uses the Filipino language. However, sources such as Bandwagon Asia, Envi Media, Billboard Philippines and Philippine Daily Inquirer describe First Luv as containing "Tagalog tracks" or "Tagalog song", which supports verifiability. Most secondary sources refer to the song as Tagalog, with Rappler being the only one using different term as "Filipino song". The Philippine English based on Manual of Style § National varieties of English, but based on sources, "Tagalog" appears to be majority term for First Luv. ROY is WAR Talk! 09:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
I don't really see how the MOS guideline on national varieties of English is relevant here. The fact that the article is written in Philippine English doesn't affect the language designation in this case.
Regarding the sources, as mentioned earlier, news outlets tend to use "Filipino" and "Tagalog" interchangeably to refer to the same thing. ABS-CBN's own press release even refers to it as "Filipino" but later describes it as "Tagalog" in their news article. It's really not that significant of a distinction overall.
As such, I suggest to just list it as "Filipino" for consistency with other song articles here. It's not like Filipino is hugely different from Tagalog. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:34, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Filipino and Tagalog are pretty much the same thing, but I guess this is where I personally disagree with you re: what to do. While you advocate for changing the language to "Filipino" on all Bini song articles, I would honestly just change all of them to Tagalog. For example, it's listed as "Tagalog" on SB19 and Alamat song articles, and most of the song articles for both groups have GA status or higher.
It's also more precise. It looks a little ridiculous for the article body to keep mentioning Tagalog (e.g. mentioning that "pantropiko" means "tropical" in Tagalog) and using Tagalog-related article categories but insisting on calling the language "Filipino." IMO, we can change the language to Tagalog on all relevant articles. That is my stance, personally. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
I really have no strong stance in this issue, I just dropped some of my cents since I was mentioned here. If that's how you want to proceed, then feel free to do so. It's just a bit amusing that this discussion has gotten this long over whether the song's language should be listed as "Filipino" or "Tagalog". AstrooKai (Talk) 10:17, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Alright. @Royiswariii, just letting you know that I'll also be changing the language to "Tagalog" on other Bini song articles for the reasons stated above. Bloomagiliw (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Is it not okay to put both Filipino and Tagalog? I mean, they're considered different languages but similar at the same time anyway. Babyronii (talk) 16:28, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
They're the same language. Please check the article for the "Filipino language". Even the KWF (Commission of the Filipino Language) considers them the same language. They are mutually intelligible and the whole "Filipino is based on Tagalog, but has added other languages and has diverged enough to be considered a different language" nonsense is purely theoretical. Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:38, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
This exchange actually made me realize stuff. It's either we use "Filipino" to make it formal and follow the government or use "Tagalog" which is more used by the general audience. GA often refers to songs as Tagalog song (language) or Filipino song (nationality).
I mean, the referenced article did mention that the language was originally called Tagalog. It was then later changed to Pilipino then Filipino. It was then finalized as Filipino in the 1987 Constitution. Babyronii (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
Though Tagalog is being a bit known internationally Filipino is still the international known language and it is our national language. It would be nice if you can use either. You just might be biased with just Tagalog. If sources say tagalog then put tagalog. If it doesn't then you can put filipino. Easy as that. We should all be equal here man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-34219-14 (talk) 07:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
This is an online encyclopedia that people visit to learn information. It doesn't matter if the term Tagalog isn't as "internationally known." It is factually accurate to say that Filipino is a standardized form of Tagalog, as corroborated by countless academic studies and recognized by Wikipedia itself. There's a reason a Tagalog Wikipedia exists, but a "Filipino Wikipedia" does not. It would be beyond pointless to use Tagalog and Filipino alternately when they refer to the same thing, and Tagalog happens to be the more precise term.

On a similar note, "Bisaya" is not used in reference to the Cebuano language on Wikipedia, although the former is its endonym: while "Bisaya" is a more widely used term, it can also technically refer to other Visayan languages, and so we use a more precise term. In the case of Tagalog and Filipino, however, Tagalog is the endonym... making this discussion even more baffling.

Again, Tagalog and Filipino are the same language. Wikipedia is free, so why not make use of this resource and read the articles for both? Because if you click on Filipino language, you'll find this handy, enlightening section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language#Comparison_of_Filipino_and_Tagalog Bloomagiliw (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
It's debatable but in Korea the language is not Hangul or Gyeonggi for K-pop songs so if the language is Korean than Filipino can be used as well since Korea has dialects and regional languages similar to Bisaya language. China has Mandarin of course but Chinese can be acceptable as well. Wikipedia is free and yet you just keep putting tagalog. I could accept tagalog on the sources claiming it other than that I don't know. ~2025-35234-61 (talk) 05:53, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
Korea is one single language with dialects. The Philippines has over a hundred languages, and the term "Filipino" refers to one better known as Tagalog. Do you know what the difference is between a language and a dialect? Wikipedia also has plenty of articles about that.
The term "Mandarin" is in fact preferred on Wikipedia too, because it's more precise. Notice how this page doesn't say "Chinese-language films": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mandarin-language_films
Find better uses of your time. Your insistence on using "Filipino" is not improving the quality of the articles on the site in any manner. Bloomagiliw (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
This might be helpful hopefully it will help in this discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Tambayan_Philippines#Filipino_music_article ~2025-37706-55 (talk) 02:08, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
Sky Harbor is one (1) singular editor. His opinion doesn't dominate everyone else's. SB19's "Gento" song article uses "Tagalog" and not Filipino and obtained Featured Article status, the highest possible quality marker on Wikipedia.
The idea that all Tagalog must be called "Filipino" by default because of a silly policy holds zero water. It makes no sense. The term Tagalog should no longer exist at all and Tagalog Wikipedia should be called "Filipino Wikipedia" but it's not. (Redacted) You are not making this article or any other article better in any way by insisting on using the term "Filipino." Bloomagiliw (talk) 04:17, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
@Bloomagiliw Please note that I redacted what you said earlier. Please be mindful on what you said here on Wikipedia and may lead to UNCIVIL. Always assume good faith even to the temporary users. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:48, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
Their manner of writing and behavior are consistent with the same stubborn user that's been disruptively editing nonstop on temporary accounts for this particular purpose, so I find it really hard to assume good faith at the moment. But noted. Bloomagiliw (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
You can give them a warning if you have a twinkle (and that's the best thing to do if they're disrupting the editing of a specific article). You can read the WP:DONTBITE. I feel your emotions but it's part as an editor here on Wikipedia. ROY is WAR Talk! 05:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 talk 16:53, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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Created by Royiswariii (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

ROY is WAR Talk! 11:05, 3 October 2025 (UTC).

  • New enough, definitely long enough, well cited, no copyvio detected, overall no major issues with the article! However, the main hook is pretty uninteresting. I would be definitely comfortable with ALT2 being promoted, although the image used is not very clear, so I would advise just doing this imageless. All in all, good work. Luxtaythe2nd (Talk to me...) 16:34, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
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