Talk:District heating

More specifics

More specifics would be good here about district heating (and cooling) in terms of efficiency improvements, energy savings, use of biomass and general revitilization of outdated DH systems - promising area for technology upgrades and desirability due to improved environmental performance. Just an observation - there is a ton of material out there on this.

Article Section: Hungary

There is some controversy concerning the price effectiveness of central heating in Hungary. Before the recent (between 2005-2015 years) large scale additional insulation of concrete block houses and an even more recent (2010-2014) government decree to administratively reduce prices charged by the central heating companies took effect, central heating used to be the least cost effective of all possible ways to provide heating for a living compartment (at least from the point of view of the individual consumer). This controversy led to citizens seeking for ways to cancell contracts with the central heating companies and to resort to alternative forms of heating, eg.: smaller heat generators owned and operated by a block house (50-100 apartments), or other individually owned and operated heating solutions.

Fifth Generation

User:NicholB I've added a reference to the Mijnwater 5th gen grid in Heerlen, the Netherlands. At the moment this seems to be a prime example, as it serves a large number of offices, supermarkets, houses, and exchanging heat and cold between them. It would make sense to give a better description of the important new features of 5th generation, as compared to the 4th generation. I've also found a review article about 5th generation projects in Europe, in which a better description is given, and many references. —Preceding undated comment added 14:45, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Claush66 and Spitfired: I see that you are not on the same page, regarding the emissions impact of the Fifth Generation and are engaged in an WP:Edit war, well past WP:3RR. May I suggest that you engage in a polite discussion here? Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 22:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree, @HopsonRoad. I first posted the below plead on Spitfired's user page. But it probably belong here:

Hi Spitfired whoever you are.

I appreciate that you feel very much for a certain district heating system, the emerging so-called "fifth generation", and may even be involved in marketing it. But when you repeatedly list carefully positively worded advantages that are trivially not specific to your technology in the "fifth generation" specific paragraph, you leave the reader a false impression. Please stop doing that, and stick to the actual specific properties and pros/cons.

Reflect on the info in your sources. If icax.co.uk had written that their fifth generation systems does not cause obesity, it is not relevant to include in Wikipedia even though it is probably correct. (I know this example is obvious, but parallel to the issues we are disagreeing about)

Note, I am not saying that "fifth generation" system cannot take advantage of 25C heat sources and does not have zero emissions at the consumer site. These properties are just not specific properties of "fifth generation", but valid for any water bourne system. You may mislead people in other places, but please don't attempt fool people on Wikipedia. Lets keep it encyclopedic.

Best wishes,

Claus

Claus Hindsgaul (talk) 07:24, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I just realised that cold district heating (aka "5th generation") had already been described on the page. I propose to merge the new information Spitfired added by Spitfired into the existing paragraph.

Claus Hindsgaul (talk) 09:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Soviet District Heating

I just had a conversation on Twitter with a reporter covering the War in Ukraine. I was puzzled that Kyiv currently has hot water, but no heating or electricity. He explained to me that District Heating is a thing in Kyiv, as in much of the former Soviet Union. The article barely mentions the USSR, Russia, or Ukraine. Obviously, the article needs to be expanded in that direction. I'm not qualified to do this, so I'm just adding this note for the benefit of somebody who is. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)