Talk:Chuck Norris/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

USMC

chuck noris was NEVER in the USMC. This information is incorrect as are a few other"marines" on your list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.67.104 (talk) 11:46, 26 August 2004 (UTC)

Chuck Norris wasn't in the Marines; however, he was in the Air Force for 4 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelilsicboy (talk • contribs) 05:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The Alphabet of Manliness mention?

Chuck Norris has recently had an entire chapter written about him in Maddox's book "The Alphabet of Manliness" under the N chapter. I think this should be added to the pop culture section of the page. Ilabb 23:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Bruce Lee humiliating Chuck Norris

I wonder if this story is true? Here's what I've found at imdb: www.imdb.com/name/nm0000045/board/nest/24415793 --RockyMM 03:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The story is true. If anyone wants a source, go pay a visit to Dan Inosanto, Chuck Norris wrote an apologetic letter to Bruce Lee and the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto.

Please see the section below, dated 19 December 2005, for further discussion. Shawnc 04:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The following story is Completely True:

At a demonstration in Long Beach, Norris met the soon to be famous Bruce Lee, who would ingrain Norris in martial arts history forever with his portrayal as Bruce Lee's nemesis in the Way of the Dragon. www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php But while the two were publicly friendly, contrary to what many (including Norris himself) state, they were not close friends. Lee had repeatedly humiliated Norris during a mock sparring session in the hotel hallway at the Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. And Norris had offended Lee when he publicly claimed to be a better fighter than Lee. When word got back to Lee, he called Norris and openly challenged him, threatening to drive to his school to fight (Norris was teaching his black belt class at that time). According to eye witnesses, Lee made Norris hold the phone receiver up and shout in front of his black belts, "Bruce Lee is a better fighter than me!" Later, Norris wrote an Apologetic Letter to Lee; the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto currently still owns the Letter of Apology that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee, which is in a Long Beach Dojo. Yet despite these conflicts, the two managed to set aside any differences in pursuit of their mutual film aspirations and develop a friendly public persona toward one another. www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420

If you proof that the story is true, then read ALL These SITES: Sources:

• www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php
• www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420
• www.answers.com/topic/chuck-norris
• www.earwaks.com/forum/fpost42979.html
• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/archive/index.php/t-9659.html
• forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7750&cpage=4&limit=views

4 of those websites mirror this entry -- so, no, you can't photocopy a story and verify the details with the duplication. The fifth link, a forum post, is intended as a joke: "Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried." The last link doesn't say anything about the outlandish story you defend. I suspect you are only carrying out this revert war to disrupt Wikipedia. Get lost then. Lotsofissues 22:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The following sources for the Lee/Norris info are NOT a mirror of this article:

• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/archive/index.php/t-9659.html
• forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7750&cpage=4&limit=views
• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/showthread.php?t=9659
• www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-32795.html

Replied in a section below. Shawnc 19:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it should also be added that Chuck Norris was a student of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do (Way of the Intercepting Fist) with Bruce Lee as the instructor.

plagiarism?

Could someone please explain to me why the info on www.cinema-resources.com/Chuck_Norris--2.html looks exactly like the bibliography on wikipedia? Is it a mirror? --Janto 14:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Vulturell 06:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Vulturell! --Janto 11:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

vandalism

I can tell that I am going to have to revert a lot of people putting stuff from the www.4q.cc/chuck/ Chuck Norris Random Fact generator into this article. If you're one of the people doing this, please don't.  :-) Alhutch 20:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Yep, been going on for a while now.... hopefully it dies down, until then, its watchlist time. -Lanoitarus 20:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Doubtful Sidar 05:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

very doubtful.--Alhutch 05:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Dont take away my hope, its all I have left =) -Lanoitarus ^(talk) .:. 05:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

hope springs eternal!--Alhutch 06:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Why don't we put a link to the Chuck Norris Random Fact generator under external links? It seems that Chuck Norris has most recently become much more famous because of the hilarity of those facts and it seems wrong to ignore the impact that this internet meme has. At the very least, it's existence should be mentioned in a biography of Chuck Norris. Kevin143 00:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Kevin143

I completely agree - in fact, a few days ago I expanded a stubby reference to the page to say:

Chuck Norris is the subject of a satirical random fact generator on the internet, which features comments contributed by readers. The "facts" provided therein tend towards absurdly exaggerated claims of Norris' toughness, attitude, and virility.

This was deleted, and I didn't argue it at the time, but since then a fellow attorney (quite out of the blue) sent me the link, which I take as a sign that it's getting around. bd2412 T 04:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Chuck Norris acknowledges the facts and thinks they're funny himself. He acknowledges it on his personal website as well as on the Tony Danza show a couple of days ago. Here is a video: www.youtube.com/?v=QP1PuB1R-Xw

If we just put up a few of those jokes as examples, i bet the vandalism would die out. The Isiah 03:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

George Bush's Favorite Actor?

Is there any source for claiming Bush said chuck norris was his favorite actor? It sounds like a joke to me... TastyCakes 00:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that mentioned other places....but I can't provide a source.--Alhutch 01:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I can't provide a source either, however I have heard it multiple times in the past, so even if it is unfounded, i wouldnt call it vandalism. -Lanoitarus 04:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe this is also mentioned in the George W. Bush article.--Alhutch 06:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

So if we cite George W. Bush here and cite this there, we have our citations all taken care of! =D -Lanoitarus ^t .:. 06:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

you're so resourceful!! :-)Alhutch 06:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

is that a joke about circular refferences or are you guys for real?

Circular references are a very important academic tools. I don't think anyone would joke about such things. TastyCakes 20:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually it makes perfect sense. Bush claimed that Norris and Sylvester Stallone are his favorite actors. Both men are Republicans, so it's easy to see why the President named them as his favorites.

NOEDITSECTION added

Hall Monitor, I noticed that you added the NOEDITSECTION. I understand this supposedly helps deal with vandals, but I know it also makes it a bit harder for legitimate users to edit the article, especially those of us using Firefox, which cannot search in text boxes. Do you think the level of vandalism is really so bad as to require this extreme measure? --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 21:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

It is too soon to tell. Let's give it a chance for a week and see if it makes any difference. If you wish to be able to search within text boxes using Firefox, please refer to Wikipedia:Tools/Browser_Integration#Search_within_Textarea_Extension. Best regards, Hall Monitor 21:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

You know much as I'm sure there'll be huge advances in what we know about Chuck Norris in the next few months, can't we just lock the article for a significant length of time until he melts back into obscurity again? This constant reverting is getting stupid. They should have a setting on Wikipedia to lock individual articles against anonymous contributors but not registered people... Or do they have one already I just don't know about? It'd be cool if there could be a setting to stop anonymous posters and registered posters with less than a certain number of edits on certain heavily vandalised pages. TastyCakes 00:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Chuck Norris is never going to melt into obscurity! And what recent events do you contend have made him such a popular target amongst vandals? As for your second question, please see Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy --Cyde Weys _talk^contribs 01:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well there has been a "chuck norris facts" email that is making the rounds, that's where they all come from that I've seen. I received the email last week. It originates www.4q.cc/chuck/ here. Of course Conan O'Brian is doing his part too and that probably won't stop for a while... TastyCakes 02:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Positive contributions

Out of the last 250 edits to this article, how many of them were not vandalism or reverting vandalism? Hall Monitor 23:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

the only non vandalism related edit that i can see in the last 100 is a bot adding links to other language wikipedias.--Alhutch 23:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to say if something were mentioned in the article about the cult-like following these "facts" have and put a link to them people might stop messing with it here. Maybe it won't be so cool when everyone can see it's copied from a site made by people funnier than them. But it might just encourage them. TastyCakes 23:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I have heard enough citation of the Fact Generator online and in everyday life that I was surprised to find no mention of it here; I actually read the article to see what Wikipedia would have to say about it. I definitely think the information should be included. Less noteworthy internet memes have had their mention here. --BDD 22:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuck_Norris&diff=31628282&oldid=29842465 Here is a diff comparing the present article (as of 17:18 today) and 250 edits prior. Hall Monitor 17:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I guess the World of Warcraft crowd has assiled the page eh. Chuck Norris along with Vin Diesel and others has become quite a cult following to reasons unknown to myself. Derktar 18:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC).

I agree that the article should make some mention of the fact generator. bd2412 T 00:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed unverified content about Bruce Lee

No, he was very close friends. He's mentioned for like 5 chapters in the book.

I have removed this content which I found difficult to verify:

But while the two were publicly friendly, contrary to what many (including Norris himself) state, they were not close friends. Lee had repeatedly humiliated Norris during a mock sparring session in the hotel hallway at the Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. And Norris had offended Lee when he publicly claimed to be a better fighter than Lee. When word got back to Lee, he called Norris and openly challenged him, threatening to drive to his school to fight (Norris was teaching his black belt class at that time). According to eye witnesses, Lee made Norris hold the phone receiver up and shout in front of his black belts, "Bruce Lee is a better fighter than me!" Later, Norris wrote an apologetic letter to Lee; the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Yet despite these conflicts, the two managed to set aside any differences in pursuit of their mutual film aspirations and develop a friendly public persona toward one another.

Interesting as it is, it is a bit surreal, and with no cited sources it shouldn't be in the article.

SpuriousQ 23:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

It SHOULD be in the article because the Bruce Lee incident is VERY Important to Chuck Norris. This is the source. www.imdb.com/name/nm0000045/board/nest/24415793. If anyone wants a source, go pay a visit to Dan Inosanto, Chuck Norris wrote an apologetic letter to Bruce Lee and the original letter is currently in the care of Bruce Lee's student, Dan Inosanto.

• That imdb link brings up an empty page for me. Also, a post on an internet message board (which this appears to be trying to link to) is not a reliable source. Also, the wikipedia article you cite has no mention of the letter you mention. -- MisterHand 15:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• • The story is true. If you wants a source, go pay a visit to Dan Inosanto, he is currently teaching Jeet Kune Do classes and can be contacted. Chuck Norris wrote an apologetic letter to Bruce Lee and the original letter is currently in the care of Bruce Lee's student, Dan Inosanto.
    • That's not acceptable as a source. See WP:RS, specificially "We may not use primary sources whose information has not been made available by a credible publication.". -- MisterHand 16:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • The APOLOGETIC LETTER was wrote by Chuck Norris himself to Bruce Lee and the original letter is currently in the care of Bruce Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Go pay a visit to JKD Master Dan Inosanto ALREADY. Dan Inosanto can be Contacted EASILY as he is currently teaching Jeet Kune Do classes.. Tell me when was the last time you sat down with Ted Wong and Dan Inosanto and Discussed the Topic.
        • You're missing the point. Primary sources in a Wikipedia article need to be verified via a credible publication. See WP:RS. If Inosanto or Wong mention the letter in an interview somewhere, for instance, that would be acceptable as a source. Does that make more sense? -- MisterHand 16:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

As per official policy, WP:V: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who has made the edit. Editors should therefore provide references. Any edit lacking a source may be removed." We as editors must remove any unsourced information that is controversial. Shawnc 17:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Since a credible publication has not been provided which states that Dan Inosanto has such a letter, I suggest that the disputed statements be removed after several days if no reference is provided by then. Shawnc 04:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The following story is Completely True:

At a demonstration in Long Beach, Norris met the soon to be famous Bruce Lee, who would ingrain Norris in martial arts history forever with his portrayal as Bruce Lee's nemesis in the Way of the Dragon. www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php But while the two were publicly friendly, contrary to what many (including Norris himself) state, they were not close friends. Lee had repeatedly humiliated Norris during a mock sparring session in the hotel hallway at the Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. And Norris had offended Lee when he publicly claimed to be a better fighter than Lee. When word got back to Lee, he called Norris and openly challenged him, threatening to drive to his school to fight (Norris was teaching his black belt class at that time). According to eye witnesses, Lee made Norris hold the phone receiver up and shout in front of his black belts, "Bruce Lee is a better fighter than me!" Later, Norris wrote an Apologetic Letter to Lee; the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto currently still owns the Letter of Apology that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee, which is in a Long Beach Dojo. Yet despite these conflicts, the two managed to set aside any differences in pursuit of their mutual film aspirations and develop a friendly public persona toward one another. www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420

If you PROOF/EVIDENCE that the story is true, then read ALL These SITES: Sources:

• www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php
• www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420
• www.answers.com/topic/chuck-norris
• www.earwaks.com/forum/fpost42979.html
• www.gotohoroscope.com/celebrities/metal-dragon-C.html

The following sources for the Lee/Norris info are NOT a mirror of this article:

• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/archive/index.php/t-9659.html
• forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7750&cpage=4&limit=views
• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/showthread.php?t=9659
• www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-32795.html

These were already posted by you (in sections above and below) and have been replied. Shawnc 21:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Norris Fact Generator

There needs to be a section added about Chuck Norris, the Internet meme. We've all heard of the Chuck Norris facts.

I'm in favor of keeping the link (which was just recently removed), it's something of an internet meme, and speaks volumes about public perception regarding Chuck's celebrity status Elijya 19:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that the Chuck-Norris-internet-fact-phenomenon should be noted somehow in this article. I created a separate article for Random Chuck Norris Fact and added a link to it from this article. I hope that this will be seen as an acceptable compromise to deleting the link. Mark.howison 05:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

note that someone speedy deleted that article.--Alhutch 15:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, this internet meme has www.ytmnd.com/list/?search=chuck+norris 4+ pages of YTMNDs dedicated to it. That, and the fact that I actually sought out this article after hearing about the fad.-LtNOWIS 21:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Then discuss it legitimately in the article, don't just add a random humorous link to the external links section without an explanation. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 21:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I feel the random "fact" generator is rather trivial and insignificant in the grand scheme of what is supposed to be a biography about Chuck Norris. A somewhat tangental discussion was recently held on the Louis Braille talk page regarding whether or not we should document in his biographical article that Google linked to his name on his birthday this week. Nonetheless, I am open to ideas — how does one propose this be noted? Hall Monitor 21:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The "Chuck Norris Fact Generator" isn't unique. I saw one just like it for Vin Diesel. No need to mention it on the page. -- MisterHand 04:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree. It's not even a real fact generator; it's just a list of silly sentences about Chuck Norris that are served up one at a time in random order. And most of them aren't even funny. Definitely not encyclopedic. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 04:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Obviously it's not a real fact generator. Anyone who thinks any of those facts are real can't be anything other than a total moron. And your opinions on whether or not it's funny are POV and irrelevant. There are, in fact, three of these generators: Chuck Norris, Mr. T, and Vin Diesel, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a widespread internet meme and should be noted in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.147.148.118 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that it is a widespread meme and "should be noted" is also a matter of opinion, one which not everyone agrees with. What we are now discussing is how to accomplishing giving this trivial piece of information note, if at all. Hall Monitor 20:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Not knowing that this heated discussion was occuring, and being relatively new to editing articles, I went ahead and took the intiative to add a small section about the memes in the trivia section. I think that just the mention that there is a meme about Mr. Norris is not a matter of opinion and is factual. It may be useless, but that's why it's in the trivia section. noah 06:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Norris addresses the random facts on his website. www.chucknorris.com/html/events.aspx Kevin143 01:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• Already noted in the article -- MisterHand (talk · contribs),

Chuck Norris thinks they are humorous: www.youtube.com/?v=QP1PuB1R-Xw

It's a cultural phenomenon. I say it is definetly fit for inclusion.

I Think its important to list the Chuck Norris Facts. While not actual facts, they do provide pretty good satire and they should be represented as an internet meme. --Shaun1018 04:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

No more crap about Chuck Norris, its just not funny anymore. I really think people need to start realizing that! Insaneassassin247 18:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

External links: which "fact generator" should be linked?

Hello there. I own and operate www.4q.cc, which is the original Chuck Norris Fact Generator (www.4q.cc/chuck). Since the article is locked, I kindly request an administrator or whoever that the link to www.chucknorrisfacts.com be removed as they have simply stolen my content and are promoting it without my permission. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.16.27.148 (talk • contribs) .

From the "facts" article: Chuck Norris Facts were originally seen on IRC, and on websites like the Something Awful forums, in Spring 2005. While your site might be the original random fact generator, I don't think that the facts themselves are "owned" by anyone; it appears that they were a collaborative effort by anonymous and disparate individuals. OhnoitsJamie^Talk 19:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree with OhnoitsJamie^Talk. 4q.cc is just a bunch of quotes collected from other places. From this interview with Ian Spector of 4q, about his "generator" websites: "Although Ian Spector maintains the site, approximately 90% of the "facts" are contributed by visitors – most of whom are either college students or stuck in a cubicle ... The website was spawned from a discussion thread on the massively popular internet forum, SomethingAwful.com" www.upstagemagazine.com/articles/getarticle-new.php?ID=1549 Tomservo3000 03:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I also agree with Ohnoitsjamie, however what site should be linked? Apparently the whois records of the sites show that 4q.cc was the original, so should it then be linked over the newer chucknorrisfacts.com? Still if it's essentially quotes copied from the somethingawful forums, then it probably just comes down to a matter of what site's easier and more helpful to the reader- probably what's listed right now, chucknorrisfacts.com. Ian's left me a message on my talk page and I told him we should keep the discussion here. Mrtea (talk) 07:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Mrtea. It appears that the WHOIS "created date" of chucknorrisfacts.com may not be accurate. It is possible the chucknorrisfacts.com address was transferred from another domain registrar and the date was "reset". If you check the WHOIS of a "copycat" site (chucknorrisfacts.net), it shows a created date several weeks "earlier" than chucknorrisfacts.com. It doesn't seem logical that someone would register the .net over the .com address. There's discussion of this subject here forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=15554 Hamilton burr 08:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I came to this site after googling to try to find out why all these wacky chuck norris references are popping up everywhere lately. I would be grateful if someone could explain what it is about and how how this all started.

Having personally witnessed the thread that spawned the Chuck Norris Facts (NOT on SomethingAwful, but LUElinks, I can confirm that 4q.cc is the original site. 65.68.145.113 02:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

ATTN: Lotsofissues CITE YOUR SOURCE Before Reverting

Lotsofissues , Prove These Points first before Writing ANYTHING. Try harder to counter the sources listed below. Cite your sources.

Sources about Bruce Lee humiliating Chuck Norris The following story is Completely True: At a demonstration in Long Beach, Norris met the soon to be famous Bruce Lee, who would ingrain Norris in martial arts history forever with his portrayal as Bruce Lee's nemesis in the Way of the Dragon.

Sources for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_International_Karate_Championships

www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php But while the two were publicly friendly, contrary to what many (including Norris himself) state, they were not close friends. Lee had repeatedly humiliated Norris during a mock sparring session in the hotel hallway at the Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. And Norris had offended Lee when he publicly claimed to be a better fighter than Lee. When word got back to Lee, he called Norris and openly challenged him, threatening to drive to his school to fight (Norris was teaching his black belt class at that time). According to eye witnesses, Lee made Norris hold the phone receiver up and shout in front of his black belts, "Bruce Lee is a better fighter than me!" Later, Norris wrote an Apologetic Letter to Lee; the original letter is currently in the care of Lee's student, Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto currently still owns the Letter of Apology that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee, which is in a Long Beach Dojo. Yet despite these conflicts, the two managed to set aside any differences in pursuit of their mutual film aspirations and develop a friendly public persona toward one another. www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420

If you PROOF that the story is true, then read ALL These SITES: Sources:

• www.netkushi.com/articles/chuck-norris.php

  That is a mirror of this article.

• www.classictvhits.com/cast.php?id=4420

  That is a mirror of this article.

• www.answers.com/topic/chuck-norris

  That is a mirror of this article.

• www.earwaks.com/forum/fpost42979.html

  That is an internet chat room. Wikipedia:Verifiability#Dubious_sources: "Personal websites and blogs are not acceptable as sources"

• www.gotohoroscope.com/celebrities/metal-dragon-C.html

  That page is down.

The following sources for the Lee/Norris info are NOT a mirror of this article:

• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/archive/index.php/t-9659.html

  That is a chat room.

• forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7750&cpage=4&limit=views

  Chat room.

• www.buzzscope.com/pcs/forums/showthread.php?t=9659

  Same as previous page.

• www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-32795.html

  Chat room.

• www.epinions.com/mvie-review-AD4-13332B4E-38F9C82A-prod3

  Movie review.

All of these are dubious sources, which you already posted above. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages. Shawnc 19:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection requested

This page is being vandalized 10 times a day. Lotsofissues 21:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. All the kiddies who think it's hilarious to cut and paste from the "Chuck Norris Random Fact Generator" are becoming a bit tiresome. -- MisterHand 18:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
• To quote Something Awful

"Haha! Chuck Norris! You see, it's funny because CHUCK NORRIS! Hey, I hear Chuck Norris drove a car into a wall and it exploded but he jumped out at the last second and drop kicked a thug on his way out because he's CHUCK FUCKING NORRIS HAHAHAHA!! Someone hurry up and make a website about Chuck Norris facts because this is never going to get old! NEVER!!!" www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3492&p=3

-- MacAddct1984 21:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• Once again, due to vandalism, this article has been semi-protected for a temporary period of time. If you are a newly registered user with an account less than four days old, please discuss changes here on this talk page or request unprotection at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_unprotection. Best regards, Hall Monitor 23:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien

Conan O'Brien has been doing a very funny Walker, Texas Ranger segment on his show. This deserves a mention. (removed video links that have been removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.184.204.131 (talk • contribs) .

• Already mentioned in the article. -- MisterHand 20:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I suspect WPost article got minor detail wrong because of us

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/02/AR2006010200282.html Read

"Steve McQueen (a former Norris martial-arts student)?"

The son of McQueen attended Norris's classes but that was left uncorrected in this article until Jan 8.

Lotsofissues 06:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

serves em right for not checking facts!--Alhutch 06:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

protection

the vandalism was getting crazy so i semi-protected.--Alhutch 18:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

don't intend to leave it on too long.--Alhutch 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

protection is off.--Alhutch 20:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I have found the site that has been responsible for the recent vandalism:boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=108216959&brd=5296&start=108245640

wow, unbelievable. I did notice a great surge in anon vandalism today, and I was wondering if it was a coordinated effort from an outside website. Still, this is rather surprising.--Alhutch 00:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I re-semi-protected. This "Chuck Norris Facts" stuff is getting a bit out of hand. -R. fiend 19:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Very good decision. It's been a big blip on the radar today. PJM 19:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dab header

I don't agree with the disambiguation header, as they're meant only for things with the same or confusingly very similar titles. Having it for Chuck Norris Facts is like having a dab header at Manhattan for Manhattan Murder Mystery. If more prominent link to the "facts" article is needed we should look at an elegant way of moving it up towards the beginning of the article. Dab headers liek this are a real stretch and a bad precedent. -R. fiend 03:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with the above. I'm changing it per WP:BB and putting the link in the "see also" section instead. Any problems with this, bring them up here or let me know or change it back :) -Lanoitarus _^(talk) .:. 08:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

This isn't anywhere near prominent enough.

• Most people look for the jokes
• Most people have no idea where the article about the jokes is, so check Chuck Norris

So if not in the otheruses, it should be in the intro paragraph. Taw 10:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Intro paragraph might be okay, if it can be worked into the prose elegantly, rather than haphazardly chucked in there (no pun intended). It is, however, not ideal. I'm not sure why you assume most people are looking for the facts. Most vandals clearly are, but that's a different thing entirely. We should keep in mind that we have a repected (I guess) actor who's been in movies and TV shows for decades (mostly bad, but still), and who has been honored with various awards. The "Facts" is a recent fad that will likely soon fade. I think we run the danger of stressing them too much, as an encyclopedia. -R. fiend 18:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

  I could not agree more. The "facts" might deserve mention in passing here, but in the grand scheme of things, they are largely irrelevant to Chuck Norris as a person (and his biographical article). The granular details of the meme should be worked out in Chuck Norris Facts, not here. Best regards, Hall Monitor 18:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Re-re-semi-protection

I've once again semi-protected this, as the "Chuck Norris Facts" keep coming. Sorry Splash, but your claim that it's been protected long enough to deter simple vandalism just doesn't seem to be the case. I'm suspecting this will have to remain semi-protected until the Chuck Norris Facts fad dies down. -R. fiend 22:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

There were only two incidences of vandalism in the three hours after Splash unprotected. That's nothing compared to the way it was before. I think we should unprotect, since protection is supposed to be used sparingly. This is hardly anything we can't deal with by reverting and blocking right now.--Alhutch 22:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Two in three hours is still quite a bit, and I didn't see any indication that it was about to improve. Established users can still edit the article, in fact, if you only need an account for 4 days, probably quite a few vandals can too. -R. fiend 22:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the protection policy, if you would. It's only supposed to be used for persisent vandalism. Two in three hours is really not that persistent. Especially after this page was targeted by IGN people earlier. sorry, i don't think there's a real need for protection.--Alhutch 23:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll remove the sprotection, if only as an experiment to see how many times the page is vandalized. If the vandalism is heavy, I will resprotect it. -R. fiend 23:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

good good.--Alhutch 00:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to jinx it, but things look good on the vandalism front so far.--Alhutch 00:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I count 4 since unprotection, which isn't tons, but it's far more than most articles get. How many in 24 hours constitutes "persistent"? -R. fiend 14:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Two hours later, it's over ten more. Time to re-sprotect? -R. fiend 16:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I didn't keep score when IGN ws hammering away, but that sounds like a pretty persistent rate of vandalism. A tag is probably justified, at least for a while to let things simmer. ZZ 17:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd also agree with the protection, but I don't think things are going to simmer down any time soon. Mrtea (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's been what in my mind amounts to unacceptable levels of vandalism here. Any objections to more semi-protection? -R. fiend 18:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The article has been reprotected (semi). Please remove protection after a reasonable period of time. Best regards, Hall Monitor 18:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

no objections here. vandals don't deserve the privilege of editing wikipedia.--Alhutch 18:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Intro paragraph

He's not just an actor, and a martial artist, he's also a USAF veteran and that should be clearly noted at the top of the page. That is in some ways more important than his acting or martial arts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.48.221.23 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 2 February 2006.

Karate Kommandos

I think we should have stuff about his cartoon Tv show/comic

-I second that,anyone have more info?

-Only that it's back in syndication on Adult Swim, thanks to the internet meme's popularity.

-I second that too.

Maybe someone should just include the link to it? --Cardcaptorclaire 17:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. There's a link to that page under Pop Culture already.

Sorry folks

I had to move this up to FP since several vandals found a way around SP. *sigh* --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 08:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Is it necessary? Can't we just block all the accounts that vandalize the page? -R. fiend 17:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I've got to agree on the question of "is it necessary"? Can't the line for accounts being able to edit a semi-protected page be set towards older accounts, and treat vandals with no mercy? --Wingsandsword 18:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, the three choices for protection allow for edits by: 1) admins only, 2) registered accounts at least 4 days old, or 3) anyone. I don't think there's a way to change it from 4 days to, say 2 weeks or anything (not without major changes that admins can't do). Option 2 gets rid of the anons (the worst offenders) but it doesn't take long for an account to age 4 days. I think semi-protection and blocking vandals (maybe even indefinitely in the cases where the account was made for the sole purpose of vandalism) is the way to go. -R. fiend 19:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

for after this article is unlocked

1. Add interwiki to pt:Chuck Norris. Tomer^talk 04:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Norris the Author

He co-wrote his second autobiography last year, and co-wrote a fiction novel this year. Someone with the capabilities to supercede the restrictions should put this information in his bio. www.amazon.com/gp/search/104-6058056-8007967?search-alias=aps&keywords=Chuck%20Norris| Chuck Norris at Amazon.com. JesseRafe 05:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Section "1.2 Rise to fame"

In my opinion, the following sentence should be moved to an other section, since it has nothing to do with Norris' rise to fame: "In 1970, his younger brother Weiland was killed in Vietnam. Norris later dedicated his Missing in Action films to his brother's memory." PJ 09:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Better picture?

Is there a way to get a better picture of Chuck in here? I can barely recognize him. There has to be a publicity photo or something that can be used... - JustinWick 22:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I never thought that was such a great picture. I'll look into it.--Alhutch 00:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Religosity?

I think the article should mention something about Norris' religosity and community work... not something you'd nimmediately associate with a martial arts star.

1. Sign your comments.

2. You're right.

3. Chuck Norris facts are getting really old really fast. --RockyMM 12:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Demotion to semi-protection

I move that this page be demoted to semi-protection as pretty much all of the vandalism was by anonymous users, and we shouldn't cut off registered users from editing unless we really need to. --Cyde Weys 23:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. As of now the page is non-protected, which I don't think is such a good idea either. The "Facts" vandals have not left. I think semi-protection is the best course. -R. fiend 21:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Belt Rank

The beginning of the section about his early career seems to imply that he has a black belt in Brazilian Ju Jitsu. According to the official BJJ web site, www.bjj.org, chuck is a brown belt under Carlos Machado ( www.bjj.org/a/people/machado-carlos.html ). This should be included, or reworded so a black belt is not implied. 67.163.246.99 23:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Not only that, but there -is- no black belt in Tang Soo Do, only midnight blue, as one progresses from the 'Gup's (A white belt is 10th Gup - Red Belt with two stripes is 1st Gup) to the 'Dan's (A newly tested-in Midnight Blue belt is 1st Dan. The founding Grandmaster, Hwang Kee, is 9th). It sounds trivial, but one of the reasons Master Kee chose the color blue was because of the symbolism behind it (not only the autumn of one's life, but also the calm, inner peace of one who has truly mastered martial arts). He felt that Black not only represented death, but also perfection, and so shunned said color. Since merely mentioning that I am a 4th gup does not satisfy, here's a link to the Tang Soo Do Education Area: www.tsdmgk.com/educationpage.htm#BeltRankingSystem . DoctahLove 06:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed disambiguation to Chuck Norris Facts

According to WP:DAB:

• "When there is no risk of confusion, do not disambiguate, or add a link to a disambiguation page."
• "Lists of articles of which the disambiguated term forms only a part of the article title don't belong here."

Since, realistically, one will arrive at Chuck Norris looking for information about him, and the "Chuck Norris facts" are mentioned later on the page, I've removed the disambiguation notice. æle ✆ 02:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Is the trivia section worthless?

I think it is. But more importantly, for such a high traffic entry, it's an attractive waste dump. The trivia--not too interesting stuff--will just build up until the article is a mess. I am going to remove the section and merge a couple of facts. Objections??

Lotsofissues 19:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Trivia sections almost always are. If those facts are important they should be worked into the body of the article. -R. fiend 06:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection

I've once again semi-protected the article. No end of vandalism in sight. -R. fiend 19:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

This article has been reprotected with semi-protection yet again. Best regards, Hall Monitor 19:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need "Facts" examples in the main article?

I don't think that the main article needs any (let alone two) examples of "Chuck Norris Facts." There is already a mention of the meme and a link to the entry. I see the inclusion of "facts" in the main article as a concession to the vandals. Thoughts? OhNoitsJamie^Talk 18:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that a big reason the article is so popular is because of the recent facts fad, so it's rather relevant to the topic. Perhaps two is excessive, one would probably suffice to demonstrate the idea. Serlin 18:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The only reason some editors want this included is because it is Popular Right Now. We are writing an encyclopedia, not a list of things that are currently funny on the internet. Monkeyman^(talk) 18:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The Macarena was a fad. Let's delete that page, too! -Nathew 15:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Not needed; examples can be found in Chuck Norris Facts. I also roundhouse-kicked removed a crufty bit about the SA forums. android79 20:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I would support having a fact or two on there if it stopped the vandals, but it doesn't, so it's not appropriate for the article. -- MisterHand 20:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that there should be one example in the article, enough to interest people that have not heard of the meme to continue reading.--RockyMM 12:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that there should Bold textdefinitelyBold text be several examples of Chuck Norris "Facts" in this article. Obviously not all of the hundreds that exist, but maybe a short list of 5-10. That would serve as a good example of what there Chuck Norris "Facts" are like, and would entice people to check out the other links if they want to know more. If people only see one example, then they might not understand the jokes that well. By the way, happy birthday to Chuck Norris, who turns 66 today! --Mike 03:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Why do a few people seem to think that it's important for readers to follow the facts link? This isn't the 10 o'clock news. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 19:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Nephew of Frank Norris?

I asked this question on the Frank Norris discussion page, but it's probably better addressed here--can someone verify the claim made that Chuck is the nephew of the novelist? I can find nothing outside of Wikipedia to support this. A Runyon 18:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Edited to remove the "facts" someone tacked onto my earlier comment-- A Runyon 08:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Ancestry

According to The Biography Channel, Chuck Norris' mother was Irish, not Navajo as claimed in this article: www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/biography_story/1706:2082/1/Chuck_Norris.htm

Yeah, both his parents were half Irish and half Cherokee, according to his autobiography, Against All Odds: My Story. I edited the page accordingly.

Why did you guys taking the jokes off. If you left them on in the talk page less people would vandalise the real page The Isiah 18:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty easy to revert vandalism. If the vandalism rate spikes, we just semi-protect the page. The jokes do not belong on the main page for the same reason that we don't put Bush or Clinton jokes on their respective articles. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 16:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandal stopped in his tracks

I noticed someone messing with this site, I fixed that right up.

OK! :-) --Andeh 09:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable?

Are people trying to keep the article short or can this go? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick#Roundhouse_kick says the roundhouse kick is chuck's favorite attack. DyslexicEditor 02:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this "fact" pops up frequently in the context of the Chuck Norris Facts meme (i.e., that he roundhouse kicked the devil, or God, or a cow). bd2412 T 02:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but should it go in this article? DyslexicEditor 06:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Definitly NOT!!! I have removed it! --RockyMM 21:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not objecting so much as would like to know why. Also the kick article has a see also to chuck norris that's still there. In my opinion mentioning norris's favorite martial arts moves if any where would belong here more than kick. DyslexicEditor 03:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I used to train with Pat Burleson, a contemporary of Allan Steen. Back in Norris' tournament days, he was noted for throwing rapid punch combinations (known as the "blitz punch") in a time when most competitors relied on single-shot power attacks. While he did like the head-high roundhouse in movies because it's flashy, it's not what he used in tournaments - head kicks are too easily blocked. (Anecdotal evidence, I know, which is why I wouldn't add it to the article). --Jamoche 04:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

There is no reference to Uncyclopedia in the Pop Culture section Fatalserpent 21:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Missing section

Between "Beginnings" and "Walker, Texas Ranger" there seems to be a big gap of missing info. The Walker section refers to "Cannon Films" so presumably the missing section details that company and Norris' relationship to it. Anyone have that info? Did it get deleted by a vandal? rhmoore 16:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes it apparently got lost in vandalism a while ago, it's restored now. - Bobet 22:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Use of Name

It is very unprofessional to use the name "Chuck" (which is a nickname nonetheless) as a primary reference to his name. Should be replaced with "Norris", like other articles. Colonel Marksman 14:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• You are correct. Be bold. -- MisterHand 15:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

He the man

Chuck Norris: Southern Baptist

It says on the Southern Baptist page that Chuck Norris is a Southern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_baptist#Prominent_Southern_Baptists I won't add it, but if someone else would like to do so, they are free to. 70.153.82.3 00:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

World of warcraft

Chuck Norris is a god on World of Warcraft. (Or is it just the Draka server?) Should that be mentioned?

No. If you want to mention that, it should go into the World of Warcraft wikipedia article. --JRavn 15:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Band

There is also a punk/thrash band called chuck norris based in Vancouver Canada.. They have a s/t 7" put out by distorted riffs in vancouver—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chuck norris (talk • contribs) 22:22, February 2, 2006.

References?

I love Mr. Norris as much as the next guy, but this article is in need of some references. Did he really teach martial arts to Bob Barker? Bburton

Yes, he did. He tells about it in his autobiography.

Missing films

Quite a few films are missing, and need adding when this page is unprotected.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.69.63.239 (talk • contribs) 01:51, December 9, 2005.

That's an understatement. There's a good 10 or 15 films missing. Including my favorite one, Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection. How could you miss that one, seriously.

Here's a list of all his work (as an ACTOR):

The Cutter (2005) .... John Shepherd

Walker, Texas Ranger: Trial by Fire (2005) (TV)

Bells of Innocence (2003)

The President's Man: A Line in the Sand (2002) (TV

"Walker, Texas Ranger" .... Cordell "Cord" Walker

   - The Final Showdown: Part 1 (2001) TV Episode .... Cordell "Cord" Walker
   - The Final Showdown: Part 2 (2001) TV Episode .... Cordell "Cord" Walker
   - A Matter of Principle (2000) TV Episode .... Cordell "Cord" Walker
   - Way of the Warrior (1999) TV Episode .... Cordell "Cord" Walker
   - In Harm's Way: Part 2 (1999) TV Episode .... Cordell "Cord" Walker
     (4 more)

The President's Man (2000) (TV)

"Martial Law"

   - Honor Among Strangers (2000) TV Episode

"Sons of Thunder"

   - Thunder by Your Side (1999) TV Episode .... Ranger Cordell Walker
   - Lost & Found (1999) TV Episode .... Ranger Cordell Walker
   - Fighting Back (1999) TV Episode .... Ranger Cordell Walker
   - Moment of Truth (1999) TV Episode .... Ranger Cordell Walker

Logan's War: Bound by Honor (1998) (TV) .... Jake Fallon

Forest Warrior (1996)

Top Dog (1995)

Hellbound (1994)

Walker Texas Ranger 3: Deadly Reunion (1994)

Wind in the Wire (1993) (TV)

Sidekicks (1992) .... Chuck Norris

"De tú a tú"

   - Episode dated 26 March 1992 (1992) TV Episode 

The Hitman (1991/I)

Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection (1990)

Hero and the Terror (1988)

Braddock: Missing in Action III (1988)

Firewalker (1986)

The Delta Force (1986)

Invasion U.S.A. (1985)

Code of Silence (1985)

Missing in Action 2: The Beginning (1985)

Missing in Action (1984)

Lone Wolf McQuade (1983)

Forced Vengeance (1982)

Silent Rage (1982)

An Eye for an Eye (1981)

The Octagon (1980

A Force of One (1979)

Good Guys Wear Black (1978)

Breaker! Breaker! (1977)

Slaughter in San Francisco (1974)

The Student Teachers (1973)

Way of the Dragon (1972) .... Colt

The Wrecking Crew (1969)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.230.34.200 (talk • contribs) 22:53, February 22, 2006.

Parody?

The random fact generator isn't a really a parody. I'd call it more of a homage. Chuck Norris is freakin' awesome.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.37.91.112 (talk • contribs) 02:22, January 16, 2006.

pt.wikipedia.org

Has a bad translated 'Chuck Norris Facts' in the Chuck Norris article, it even claims that the site is the source of the jokes.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.97.184.252 (talk • contribs) 21:03, February 4, 2006.

Beard?

This is a serious inquiry, I'm not trying to make a joke about his beard or anything else similar to the "facts" going around right now.

I seem to remember watching a television program a few years back that said he was injured during one of his films and ended up with scarring on his chin and/or lip and that's why he wears a beard. I notice nothing about this in the article, did that happen, or is my memory just terrible?

- WAR32978 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.106.207.156 (talk • contribs) 16:26, February 15, 2006.

Infomercial/commercial

On the photo of him in the infomercial, the words below him say it is a commercial. That needs correcting.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.113.8.13 (talk • contribs) 15:42, April 13, 2006.

Otheruses

The thing most people are looking for when coming here is certainly Chuck Norris Facts. If it is prominently linked, the readers will get what they want, and there will be less vandalism of this page. Please do not remove the link, at least for the next few weeks. Taw 15:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree whole-heartedly. I personally know several people who have gotten several IP addresses at my school banned through repeated vandalism of this page, and editing Chuck into other articles as well. Ok, so I was one of them. But we have been collectively appeased by the acknowledgement of the the facts in the Popular Culture section, or whatever that is. My vote is keep it the way it is right now; if anything, give more recognition to it, but certainly not less. As noted above, this will probably do a lot to prevent vandalism.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.96.34.11 (talk • contribs) 03:15, January 26, 2006.

Dating of "internet phenomenon"

From the article: "In 2006, he became the subject of an internet phenomenon known as Chuck Norris Facts." This needs to be qualified better. As far as I know, the internet phenomenon is definitely older than 2006, although how old I'm not certain of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.164.158 (talk) 11:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.194.61 (talk) 05:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming "Legend of Chuck Norris" film or animated series?

I've heard rumors of an upcoming film and/or animated television series derived from the famous "Chuck Norris Facts." There's currently a splash page on legendofchucknorris.com hinting at that fact, plus a teaser on YouTube. This may be worth adding to the article under "Popular Culture." Todd Ross 20:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

His twelve rules

Chuck Norris has compiled a personal code that i think should be added but i don't know where or how. here they are:

1. I will develop myself to the maximum of my potential in all ways.
2. I will forget the mistakes of the past and press on to greater achievements.
3. I will always be in a positive frame of mind and convey this feeling to every person that I meet.
4. I will continually work at developing love, happiness and loyalty in my family and acknowledge that no other success can compensate for failure in the home.
5. I will look for the good in all people and make them feel worthwhile.
6. If I have nothing good to say about a person, I will say nothing.
7. I will give so much time to the improvement of myself that I will have no time to criticize others.
8. I will always be as enthusiastic about the success of others as I am about my own.
9. I will maintain an attitude of open-mindedness toward another person's viewpoint while still holding fast to that which I know to be true and honest.
10. I will maintain respect for those in authority and demonstrate this respect at all times.
11. I will always remain loyal to God, my country, family and my friends.
12. I will remain highly goal-oriented throughout my life because that positive attitude helps my family, my country, and myself.

I got these from his official website. what should we do about them? Technobabble1 18:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should post them under the "Remarks" section. They seem very intersting.Ron3090 16:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Images

The picture was too weak, as a childhood Chuck Norris fan I had to change it - this "Invasion USA" was a great mindless comedy from 80s. :) --Tigry 05:41, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I guess, there's enough space to include two images, so I re-added the original photo and moved the movie poster to the filmography section. --fschoenm 22:09, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

What Happened too all the images theres only that one picture of him that looks nothing like Chuck Did for most life in the public eye. at least one picture of him with a beard is nessacary. Technobabble1 02:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Norris has won 6 world fighting middle-weight karate championships. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.222.184.88 (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to add a freely-licensed image of Norris with a beard. —Chowbok 15:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Citing Resources

Does anyone know of legitimate resources (books, autobiographies, etc) for these facts? The page should have refrences.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.174.6.200 (talk • contribs) 04:21, December 9, 2005. ALSO ADD 1979 MOVIE "THE GAME OF DEATH"—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.143.204.206 (talk • contribs) 23:08, May 8, 2006.

he was also in dodge ball for a short section.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.197.30.209 (talk • contribs) 18:01, August 9, 2006.

Landmark

The landmark section is only vaguely related to Mr. Norris. He's not leading the poll and he's only and option because pranksters from the US are adding him to the list of possibilities. Is there any proof there's any 'controversy' about this poll as the section suggests? Smaerd 18:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it was directly mentioned on the Colbert Report, where viewers were told to go to the site, click specific links to open up the vote page, and specifically vote for Stephen Colbert. I'm assuming the votes for Chuck are due to the internet meme or a scripting element making the votes on his behalf. Either way, he's far, far behind and it's quite irrelevant. It should only be on a Colbert Report site. Consequently, I think it should be removed from here.

I agree, the section should be removed, as the Colbert already won the poll. One paragraph telling that Norris was in the lead in such a poll (plus a link to the Northern M0 Danube bridge page) should be enough. Nene 10:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Have removed the section and added a reference in the "Popular Culture" section. Venky 07:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Typo's

I'm nitpicking as well, in mentioning his second wife, marriage is spelled "marrigage"... needs to be fixed. ILoveConcerts (talk) 00:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's nitpicking, but it would be nice if someone would correct his brother's name in the first line under "Beginnings" and add a dot in the last sentence before "Walker, Texas Ranger".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RypER (talk • contribs) 19:26, August 5, 2006.

There's a misspelling for "receiving" under Chuck Norris' picture. "Chuck Norris reciving the Veteran of the Year award by the U.S. Air Force"

The article refers to Chuck Norris as "Chuck" in some places, instead of the more encyclopedic "Norris." I would change it, but the page appears to be locked. Can the powers that be intervene? 75.68.211.103 01:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Skimmed the article and changed the ones I noticed. If you see any I missed feel free to point them out. -R. fiend 01:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

just wanted to let you know chuck norris is half scots-irish most scots-irish people in the southern united states usually just call themselves irish which is the same blood pure celtic ( scottish,irish,welsh,cornish) but culturally very different since reformation very different

Ruud Draak?

According to IMDB, Chuck Norris' father was named Ray. Why would a half-Irish, half-Cherokee American have an obviously Dutch name? Any info on this?

I have no Welsh in me, but Cameron is a Welsh name.Cameron Nedland 17:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just because his name is Ray doesn't nessecarily mean anything. People don't always name their children after their nationality.Ron3090 16:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

What is obviously Dutch? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond. Don't forget that the Dutch settled in Britain and Ireland (as well as USA)a few centuries ago so the name is certainly integrated by now. It is also a saint's name, so a Catholic might choose to use it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.13.39.98 (talk) 12:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

well for starters many cherokee in Oklahoma called themselves black dutch for a very long time to hide their ancestry so they probablly took a dutch name as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.74.221.138 (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Iconic status

I noticed that recently PhantomTiger removed the Chuck Norris jokes stating they were jokes...although it is true, I think that they have a very important place in recent pop culture, and should be put in, as they were, a seperate section.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheMeerkat311 (talk • contribs) 05:20, September 5, 2006.

They are jokes, and as such have little place in this article. If I'm not mistaken, it already has reference to Norris as a pop-culture icon, we don't need examples of the jokes themselves. OutlandishTeacup 11:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Then that makes you extremely boring Mr Boringteacup.

I think there should be a stronger reference to the role that 'Dodgeball' played in feeding the Chuck Norris internet phenomena, particularly the film's final post-credit scene, where a fat-suited Ben Stiller mutters the words "F#%@ing Chuck Norris....".

Archive

I've archived all talk that has no comments in August or September. Let's try and stay on top of unsigned comments. Remind people to sign and make sure to use the unsigned template, with a date stamp. This makes archiving much easier I found dozens upon dozens of comments in there that were not signed. It took extensive digging to find out who posted what and when to see if it could be archived.--Crossmr 20:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

recEIving

Please correct typo by the picture: recEIving not recIving.

High School

Please link the portion where it says he graduated high school to include that he graduated from North High School (Torrance) and link to that article.

"receiving" is misspelled in the top right pic

Chuck Norris reciving the Veteran of the Year award by the U.S. Air Force

I've fixed it, but you could have fixed it yourself. Simply click "Edit this page" at the top. — The Great Llama^moo? 16:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

On The Shaky Quality of This Article's Research

CHUCK NORRIAS IS JUST STRAIGHT BAD!!! Since when does Tae Kwon Do have a "4,500 year-long documented history of Tae Kwon Do"? You definitely need a citation - and "no" - comic books do not count... Stevenmitchell 21:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It's fine. No martial art has a history that old, not even tae kwon do's father arts of taekyon and hwarangdo - not even Shaolin! --Bentonia School 05:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Chuck Norris Facts

I would like to know more about this Chuck Norris Facts thing. Perhaps in this article, perhaps in a separate one. Could someone please give more examples (currently there's only one in the article)? and how they are usually applied? thanks from a non-native speaker 62.178.193.144 22:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Norris as Reserve Police Officer

I once saw a TV story which noted that Chuck Norris was a reserve police officer for an agency in Texas, and was wondering if anyone knew about this? Pyrogen 20:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

"4,500 year-long documented history of Tae Kwon Do"

The word "Taekwondo" has only existed since 1955, so this would have to refer to the history of Korean martial arts in general. Whether "4500" is accurate is a different matter. Shawnc 01:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose it would have to refer to martial arts in general, not just Korean - even though the eariest form of gungfu was still about 2500 years away from being invented... --Bentonia School 05:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

This is another Chuck Norris joke. 68.10.133.142 (talk) 03:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

"BJJ blackbelt"

This needs to be verified. We do know he trained with Rickson Gracie and Helio Gracie in the 80's and it's been suggested that he received a black belt from Jean-Jaques Machado but there is no mention of this on Machado's website. Shawnc 04:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This is indeed the case, and both the Machado brothers feature in Walker Texas Ranger in a scene where Walker is training BJJ with them both. There's an article in one of my "Grappling" magazines, I will dig out issue number so it can be used as a citation. Moh man742 06:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Where's the article? --Bentonia School 05:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

He actually received his Brown Belt, as listed in the "BJJ Instructors and Student" web site I have made the change, unless someone can cite where Machado or Norris explicitly states one way or the other. MPA 18:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA (talk • contribs)

Profile picture

Why is there a picture of Gary Coleman in the Chuck Norris article? Somebody please change it.83.233.58.62 02:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see that, I checked the images, found some vandalism in the image description in Wiki Commons and fixed that, but no Gary Coleman problem. Which image was bad? --ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge

internet meme's

While Chuck Norris facts may actually be an internet meme (as they have seen growth, transmission, evolution -- from Vin Diesel), The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny is not an internet meme. It is a fad or a viral video, or something, but I have seen no evidence of influence the popular video has had on further videos. There is no lasting impact on the culture of the internet from this video. Furthermore, the terms 'meme' and 'internet meme' are not use on the page for The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny. I request that the description of The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny as an 'internet meme' be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.252.40.52 (talk) 18:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

Christian

To which Christian denomination does Chuck Norris belong (if any in particular)? That could be an important point for a biographical article like this - especially when categorising under "Christian people". --Grimhelm 21:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Fumio Demura Reference

Is there a reason that Fumio Demura is described as "infamous"? Nothing on his page suggests that he might have a negative reputation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.37.206.6 (talk) 06:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Age needs to be updated.

Please add the link to Ido article

io:Chuck Norris - thank you,io:User:Joao Xavier 23:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Alcoholism?

I noticed that the "Biography" section says he was born to an alcoholic father, and that this line differs quite a bit from previous versions. I could be completely wrong, but this seems to be very subtle vandalism to me. Can anyone come up with a source for this? DudleyScardsdale 18:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Checked reference; it's accurate. See also google: "chuck norris" alcoholic father -wikipedia — Demong _talk 02:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Law School Education?

There was a revert war going on over at Brooklyn Law School a while ago about whether or not Norris attended at some point. It was claimed that there's a reference to it in his autobiography "Against All Odds". Does anyone know if this is true?--Cdogsimmons 21:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Way of the Dragon

The article says that Way of the Dragon is "also known as Return of the Dragon". Although this is technically true, it is only true in a limited sense, and primarily due to flaws in renaming Lee's films in the US (for western distribution). I propose changing this line to something along the lines of "re-titled Return of the Dragon by US distributors for western release". Thoughts? --Bentonia School 04:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been a couple weeks and no beefs on rewording this section for actuality, so I've changed it. --Bentonia School 17:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Say what?

Much of the following doesn't make any grammatical sense.

He then attended Pembroke College, Oxford for a brief period before joining the United States Air Force as an Air Policeman in 1958 and was sent to Osan Air Base, South Korea. It was in South Korea that Norris acquired the nickname Chuck and began his training in Tang Soo Do (tangsudo), an interest that would lead to black belts in that art, as well as Taekwondo, and Shito ryu Karate, and the founding of the Chun Kuk Do ("Universal Way") form and the education associations United Fighting Arts Federation and "KickStart", formerly "Kick Drugs Out of America", a middle school – and high school – based program intended to give at-risk children a focus point in life through the martial arts.

It seems that the eras of each achievement are intermingled when they shouldn't be. I believe many of them - from his first training in Korea to the Kickstart program - are decades apart. Needs fixin'. --Bentonia School 17:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Tribute using Video game (trivia)

A youtube tribute to Chuck norris "Chuck norris in Oblivion" should be added to the trivia section. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP9CHQZ3mHw , made by a fan using 'Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion' these videos have attracted over a million viewers.

Team What?

Someone should remove the "Team Choigan" section, unless someone can find some evidence that Chuck Norris and "Team Choigan" really did "save the universe twice." 71.212.169.154 05:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

'Jokes' section deleted

The Chuck Norris "Facts" phenomenon is covered above already. Intelligently. Please read the article before making silly section additions. Oh, and "Norris" was misspelled. Four times.CowboyBear 13:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

However...

"However, in the same interview Mike said that he still wouldn't want to mess with his dad."

it says that his kid thinks of his dad as a loving father and say however he still wouldnt want to mess with his dad. this is weird. if a son loves his dad then he would want to harm his dad. i dont know what this article is trying to say... Mambi55 06:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Gabby Di Ciolli

IMDB indicates that she only appeared in a film co-written by Mike Norris, and in which Chuck Norris also starred. The movie was called Bells of Innocence, and is itself of borderline notability. Clearly, she is not yet notable as an actress. The only context in which I feel she *might* be worth mentioning is to say that Norris has worked with family members in film. Other than that, she might be be left out of this article - she is only one of six grandchildren, and nothing is being said about the other five who, presumably are also apparently not notable. 82.71.48.158 03:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Commercial

"Chuck Norris" is selling some sort of home gym on late night commercials. It looks like him but I've seen "Tom Cruise" selling stuff too. Is he in such a commercial?AThousandYoung 07:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he and his wife, hock the "Total Gym" via infomercials. This should probably be mentioned in the article though a source would need to be found that offers more details on his involvement with the Total Gym. --Cab88 10:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean his wife Christie Brinkley? And why would they hock (pawn) the product they are selling? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

He was also on a mountain dew commercial; and why cant this page be edited? Steinfeld8 (talk) 04:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

His first wifes name was Diane Holechek NOT Kim Durnthaler 60.240.40.232 16:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

NOT the FirstWestern 8th Dan

Chuck Norris was NOT the first western 8th Dan in TKD. There were at least two other North Americans before him. Charles 'Chuck' Sereff was awarded his 8th Dan in 1990 and his 9th Dan in 1997 by General Choi Hong Hi of the ITF (founder of ITF, founder of Chang Hon TKD and inventor of the name TaeKwon-Do). http://ohdokwan.ca/charlessereff.html

Edward Sell was awarded his 8th Dan by the WTF in 1987 and his 9th Dan in 1997. http://christiantaekwondouniversity.net/founders.htm

It might be more accurate to say Mr Norris was the first to receive an 8th Dan in whichever particular association awarded him, however, when the two largest world governing bodies of TKD award 8th Dans to Americans at least seven years before Chuck Norris received his 8th Dan (and from which organisation?)it is hard to accept the idea that Chuck Norris was the first westerner to get and 8th Dan TKD. (Trevek 08:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC))

Chuck Norris' Death

Why does the article list his death as the 16th of November, 2007. I have not seen anything to back this up.

Dljackson (talk) 03:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been reverted and vandal's been blocked. Thanks for the note. -R. fiend (talk) 04:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Problem in Intro

"who is most well known for playing Cordell "Cord" Walker on Walker, Texas Ranger and for his iconically tough image." That seems pretty opinion based to me. He was pretty much a household name for his action film acting long before the show, and while it certainly didn't hurt his fame, that particular line appears to be more point of view then fact and needs to go on that grounds (and if it is being presented as a fact, it needs to either be supported with a source, or removed on those grounds).

I agree. Walker was a reasonably successful show because he was on it, not vice versa.--Kgroover (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Cordell was never called Cord

As an avid Ranger viewer I have never and WILL NEVER hear him called Cord. He is Cordell to everyone including his wife Alex Cahill and CD. Not even Donovan Riggs (played by Gary Busey) called him Cord and that man is #@(%ing crazy. Rmccorma (talk) 02:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC) rmccorma

Chuck Norris wants his latest book pulled off shelves because it is "a big lie"

http://www.komotv.com/news/entertainment/12773847.html Dio Only Uses a Knife (talk) 12:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Moscow Casino

Chuck Norris was involved in building a casino in Moscow. He hired US carpenters to go to Moscow to work on the project and then stiffed them. When one man tried to get paid by investigating the contacts Norris had in Russia, he was told by the police that the feds were involved and the local police couldn't do anything about it.Goddess04 (talk) 05:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Chuck Norris Action Jeans

I beg somebody with better editing skills to add something about Chuck Norris Action Jeans (see http://www.denimology.co.uk/2006/09/chuck_norris_action_jeans.php or http://www.geekologie.com/2007/07/chuck_norris_action_jeans.php) to the pop-culture section. There was even a tribute song to those jeans by the 90s Austin (TX) band "Gal's Panic" ( http://www.amazon.com/We-Need-Helicopters-Gals-Panic/dp/B000005D6W ). I somehow don't have an edit tab showing on the Chuck Norris page, or I'd do it myself. My apologies.

Good find sir, I'll get on tonight if no one else does.. EvanCarroll (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Chuck Norris supports Huckabee

I saw Chuck Norris behind Mike Huckabee in Fox when behind Huckabee setting down in New Hamshire Primary on Fox today. Not lying here. Renegadeviking 01/04/08 17:19 CST —Preceding comment was added at 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)