Talk:Border reivers

disputed section - Borderers as soldiers

There is a {{disputed section}} template at the head of this section. However, there has been no discussion on this talk page concerning it, nor can I see anything in the section which can be criticised as biased or partial. If there is no change in the next few days, I propose to remove the template as frivolous. HLGallon (talk) 12:04, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Ongoing edits - Any Questions or Ideas?

Hi all, I’m the one adding a lot of information to this page—hopefully, you’ll agree it’s factual and well-referenced! Apologies for the length, but there’s a lot of history to cover.

Once I finally get to 1603, I’ll start summarising and cutting out irrelevant or tangential details. I’ve already done a little of this, but it’s a case of two steps forward, one step back (I’m looking at the Schavaldour section in particular—no matter how fascinating I find the antecedents of the Border Reivers and desperately overlooked).

I also plan to add much of this information to the Anglo-Scottish Borderlands page, which, in my opinion, is currently full of junk and opinion. Plus, I’d like to include a map to show the gradual southward spread of Scotland and northward movement of the Normans—because it wasn’t just Battle of Carham, bonk, here’s the border!

Once I finish the history section, I’ll trim it down further and focus more on the specific history of the Border Reivers themselves. The challenge is that their story is deeply intertwined with Tudor-Stewart politics, war, local magnate rivalries, and—of course—the Reformation.

Writing this has helped me dig even deeper into the history, and I’m learning more as I go. That should make it easier to separate the wheat from the chaff once I reach 1603. Any questions or suggestions, feel free to drop them below.

And finally, huge thanks to everyone who’s been fixing the referencing - I really appreciate it!

All the best, Lategreatanddead (talk) 06:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I feel like this article is 99% of the way there - the vast majority of references have page numbers. There are things I like to add - Geordie Bourn/Burn's list of crimes he confessed to, and I am sure there are things I feel think of or read that I will add in the coming months or even years. But I am happy as is. Lategreatanddead (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

To add to what I have said above - if you have any questions on the Border reivers article that I mostly rewrote and added references to, then let me know below - I'll try my best to answer. Or any map ideas?

And thanks again for those who are tidying the article in my wake!

All the best, Lategreatanddead (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Peer review

Border reivers

I've listed this article for peer review because...

Hi - I almost completely rewrote this article - not all was bad about it - from 'original research' to well-referenced, generally from academic papers if available (there is surprisingly little that directly talks of Border Reivers) and many now extensive collection of Border Reiver books I can see in the corner of my eye.

Please be kind!

Thanks, Lategreatanddead (talk) 08:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Proper noun?

If this is a proper noun, the title of the article should have "reivers" capitalized. If not, the phrase should be sentence case in the body of the article. Which is it? Mbdfar (talk) 02:09, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

I am okay with it being 'Border reivers', because it is exonym not (exactly) an ethnic group, but for habitually criminal individuals and families on the border. I have intended to go through and consistently call them 'Border reivers' Lategreatanddead (talk) 15:28, 17 November 2025 (UTC)