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Etymology

Etymology : "Chuvash pora, its r-Turkic counterpart, which may ultimately be the source of the Germanic beer-word)." Pora : Boza

Additives

The articles currently reads like a beer commercial. There really ought to be a section on potential additives, such as urea, potassium sulfate, sodium benzoate, anti-foaming agents, flavour enhancers, sodium citrate, tartaric acid, corn syrup, genetically modified malt and hops, amyloglucosidase enzyme, and propylene glycol alginate. In particular, sulphites (such as E223) can be potentially lethal (I am sensitive to these myself) and yet neither Britain nor Ireland force suppliers to list their contents. Without this section then the really good beers -- e.g. the German ones that are brewed according to strict purity laws -- cannot be distinguished. TonyP (talk) 14:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Variety of English

Why is this article in British English now, when it was so very obviously started in American English? I know how the feeling over here is about American beer, but we can't just change the variety of English in articles on a whim.

I will change the article back to the original version of English July 2018, subject to debate here on the talk page. 2A02:C7D:CA32:CC00:846E:B6B7:85C6:E8C4 (talk) 07:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Nutritional information

The Nutritional information section needs help. The first two paragraphs are repetitious, and the chart is seriously deficient in volumes and labeling.

108.173.136.51 (talk) 05:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC) baden k.

"hefeweizen wheat beer" should be a link

Beer#Packaging says

"when serving a hefeweizen wheat beer"

We should make this term a link, since many users won't be familiar with it and others will simply want more information.

The appropriate link should be Wheat_beer#Weissbier

"Weizenbier or Hefeweizen ... is a beer, traditionally from Bavaria, in which a significant proportion of malted barley is replaced with malted wheat", etc.

Thanks - 189.122.52.73 (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2018

beers do not live any more and they do not hibernate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clam57 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2018

Text to be added at the end of the article section titled "History" after the sentence beginning " In 2010, China's beer consumption hit 450 million..."

A recent and widely publicized study suggests that sudden decreases in barley production due to extreme drought and heat could in the future cause substantial volatility in the availability and price of beer. 128.200.14.73 (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Beer served in British Schools?

The source given links to some article which refers to Belgian schools, but the sentence, under the section "Strength", makes it sound like beer is being served in British schools. Please edit. 194.80.199.159 (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done Have amended. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Outdated information on first line - beer popularity

The current reference on beer being the third most popular drink in the world (after water and tea) is from Max Nelson's history book (2005). This might have been true at the time. But, according to Statistica, beer's average consumption per capita in 2020 is 25.7L, while coffee is 42.6L.

Sources: https://0-www-statista-com.pugwash.lib.warwick.ac.uk/outlook/10010000/100/beer/worldwide https://www.statista.com/outlook/30010000/100/coffee/worldwide#market-arpu

80.209.140.50 (talk) 20:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

"B33r" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect B33r. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 April 30#B33r until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2020

I would like to add a reference to the statement "The modern pale lager is light in colour with a noticeable carbonation (fizzy bubbles) and a typical alcohol by volume content of around 5%." The reference is the BJCP style guidelines here: https://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf Joma888 (talk) 03:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done I am not sure this is the best source for this but it doesn't raise any immediate red flags and it does appear to be mentioned in some newspapers here and there so I'll WP:AGF with it... RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 03:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Beer culture in Cameroon

This picture does not, in fact, show any beer. The reader is left to assume the cup contains millet beer, but if it were not for the context, it might just as well be empty. But I don't think there is any better picture of beer culture in Cameroon available. JIP | Talk 15:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Needs "country of origin" label

This article could use an addition to its poor card: "Contry of origin: 🇩🇪Germany"

Reason 1: modern beer has hop thanks to a certain Bavarian law.

Reason 2 (a valid reason, according to a certain Wikipedia I have encountered last week): the word "beer" itself comes from German.

Reason 3: for non-hoppy beers, there are words like "stout" or "ale"; "beer" normally refers to the drink with hops.

Feel free to prove me wrong, please. 2A00:1FA0:4A5F:52D3:0:46:A90F:6401 (talk) 21:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

"Bheer" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Bheer has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 22 § Bheer until a consensus is reached. TartarTorte 20:55, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

"Raven Stout" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Raven Stout has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 22 § Raven Stout until a consensus is reached. TartarTorte 20:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Composition?

The "ingredients" section is not very good. The article confuses the recipe with the ingredients. Most beers use hops. OK. But is hops really an "ingredient"? How is that possible, given that it is a plant part and beer is a thin liquid? Are the hops ground into a fine (colloidal) dispersion or otherwise suspended? I doubt it. In fact, I doubt that hops exist in any identifiable form in beer. Same with barley, same with yeast, although with yeast its individual organisms are small enough to possibly be dispersed (and not settle). I came here looking for the general composition of a typical generic beer. Sadly, it wasn't to be found. I know that beers contain water, ethanol, carbon dioxide (dissolved), bitters (whatever those are, apparently they include both preservatives and flavorings). How about sugar? What sugars and in what amounts? I suppose some of the 'bitters' are polyphenolics (tannins?) but surely there's better information on the main constituents. And surely it should be mentioned that the composition BEFORE it is fermented CHANGES so that the "ingredients" before may have only a indirect relationship with its composition as sold. So, please fix the article. I'm sure no editor believes that extracts from barley, hops, wheat, etc. are indistinguishable from the agricultural "ingredient". I'm betting few believe "yeast" remains unchanged - it grows, catalyzes, consumes, excretes (esp. CO2), and leaves the liquid medium vastly different that when it was introduced. Shouldn't fermentation be explained in some detail? Sugars from starches, ok, CO2, ok; but what else?40.142.183.146 (talk) 23:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Beer-word?

From the section "Etymology":

In Old English and Old Norse, the beer-word did not denote a malted alcoholic drink like ale, but a sweet, potent drink made from honey and the juice of one or more fruits other than grapes, much less ubiquitous than ale, perhaps served in the kind of tiny drinking cups sometimes found in early mediaeval grave goods: a drink more like mead or cider. In German, however, the meaning of the beer-word expanded to cover the meaning of the ale-word already before our earliest surviving written evidence. As German hopped ale became fashionable in England in the late Middle Ages, the English word beer took on the German meaning, and thus in English too, beer came during the early modern period to denote hopped, malt-based alcoholic drinks.

What does "the beer-word" mean? Does it mean the literal word "beer" or whatever word meant "beer" in Old English and Old Norse?

This paragraph should be made clearer. JIP | Talk 18:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Is the source Scandinavian? That actually looks to me like the way they would phrase it in Norse or Swedish, but it sounds odd in English. More than half of the most common English words in everyday use are Scandinavian in origin, but the influence of French played a larger role in our modern syntax. (Very little is left of its Germanic roots.) If so, then it would be talking about the word beer and the word ale, which is how it should be phrased.

It should probably also be mentioned (if it's not already) that another theory is that it might have come from the Latin word biber, meaning "a drink" (for example, the English word imbibe, meaning "to drink"), although beer was considered an exotic Egyptian drink on the Europe side of the Mediterranean, English has a tendency to adopt words from other languages and twist and change them to fit its own needs. There's no clar consensus, except that the in etymology the transition of a word from one meaning to another is often far more figurative than literal. Zaereth (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2024

Page link does not work. 64.189.18.28 (talk) 04:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

What page link? Please be more specific. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⸺(Random)staplers 17:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Ancient anaesthesia

• copy/paste (source Alcohols_(medicine)#Ancient_world):

Beer is one of the earliest known ingredients for wound healing. A medical prescription from Mesopotamia describes a method for healing wounds:

Pound together fur-turpentine, pine-turpentine, tamarisk, daisy, flour of inninnu strain; mix in milk and beer in a small copper pan; spread on skin; bind on him, and he shall recover.

• Add Template:Ancient anaesthesia

--94.255.152.53 (talk) 04:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC) 94.255.152.53 (talk) 04:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Wound healing is not anaesthesia? Would we expect to add any template to the articles for each of those ingredients? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2024

change "numerous types of plants, spices, and other substances such as narcotic herbs, to numerous types of plants, spices, and other substances such as narcotic herbs, also known as gruit, that when heated incorrectly could cause hallucinations, and the specific mixtures were varied from brewer to brewer." Anthropol0gyinterest (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Encoded  Talk 💬 20:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are outlined below:

• The article has several uncited statements, including entire paragraphs.
• I don't think the lead summarises all major aspects of the article.
• The formatting could be improved. Some sections are quite long and could be broken up with additional headings (my recommendations is four paragraphs maximum before a new heading) while the "Top-fermented beers" section has short one-or-two line paragraphs that should be merged together.

Is anyone willing to address these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 03:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Beer

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

The article has several uncited statements, including entire paragraphs. I don't think the lead summarises all major aspects of the article. The formatting could also be improved. Some sections are quite long and could be broken up with additional headings (my recommendation is four paragraphs maximum under each heading) while the "Top-fermented beers" section has short one-or-two line paragraphs that should be merged together. Z1720 (talk) 14:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Well this was quite the mess. I've done a fair bit of tidying-up, reduced overlap with Brewing, added refs, edited, closed up, and extended the lead. I think it's serviceable now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, now with Chiswick's improvements. 750h+ 13:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• I added some cn tags, and removed an Amazon reference that was not needed. Should be very close to a keep now. Z1720 (talk) 16:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ah yes, fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

incorrect fact in first paragraph

The first paragraph states "Beer is one of the oldest alcoholic drinks in the world, the most widely consumed, and the third most popular drink after water and tea."

Coffee is also more popular than beer, it is also arguable that soda and/or juice is also more popular. This can be found with simple Google inquiries. The sentence would be better off reading as "one of the most popular drinks in the world" instead. Retromegabit (talk) 09:25, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

OK, I'll fix it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Even if that's a fact that "can be found with simple Google inquiries", I think it needs to be supported somewhere in the article main body, with some RS sources? I can't find anything there at the moment. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Number of deaths related to alchohol

"In the United States, a total of 3.3 million deaths per year (5.9% of all deaths) are believed to be due to alcohol." 3.3 million deaths is the yearly death amount in the USA. In the cited article, 88.000 thousand is the actual number of alcohol related deaths. JohnJohn757 (talk) 19:01, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, thank you so much Remsense 🌈 论 19:08, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Bottled beer

We take this for granted, but prior to the around the 1870s, it was not common. You went to a beer garden or park and drank beer on the premise in a glass drawn from a cask. It took some time for the idea of bottled beer to catch on. It was initially a novelty. Breweries had to build bottling plants. This is what I understand anyway. I can't find anything on Wikipedia. -- GreenC 01:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

It should be added to History of beer. Beer is quite rightly focused on the liquid contents... Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

There, I've added a section on bottling to History of beer for you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:41, 29 August 2025 (UTC)