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Latest comment: 13 years ago by Oncenawhile in topic Ifran / Africa

Problem 1

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I have a big problem when i edit in wike english

i want to write this but there is one party that not edit . I don't know why.

It' is in history i write it Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian.

Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion.

Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith [1] [2] .--Great11 (talk) 17:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. The FalashasA Short History of the Ethiopian Jews De David Kessler
  2. Relations judéo-musulmanes au Marocperceptions et réalités De Michel Abitbol


Religion

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Before Islam

As d'Hadrien (136), représent Africa


Ifran are Like Zenata, animism was the principale spirtitual philosophy inspiration of this big tribe. Ifri is a deity [[Berber][1] .

The translation or borrowing latin gives us Africa (Africa) which was a goddess Berber before the Roman conquest. Dea Africa means goddess Africa and represents a symbol to the Roman era.

And Ifri means local populations of Afers. Ifru symbolizes rites in caves to protect businessman. there is a cave not far from Constantine et Guechguech, it represent the rite. and Roman show the myth of protection in their money . [2] [3] .


When Arab army attack Maghreb. the Ben Ifran were the first tribe to defend their Queen Kahina.[4]

During Islam

Ben Ifren was opposed to Arab army ( sunnit and chite). They choise Kharidjit mouvement. Ibn Khaldun say: Zenata people say we are muslman but they still opposed to Arab army. [5] [6]. After 711, the berber were very serious to pratctice Islam religion. The prinipale leaders of Ifren were all time opposed to Arab army ( Abu Qurra, Abou Yazid, etc) [7]

please help me thanks --Great11 (talk) 17:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France<ref> <ref>Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France<ref> the Plural of Ifri is Ifran.<ref>Mots, Edmond Rostand
  2. Recueil des notices et mémoires de la Société archéologique, historique, .. du département de Constantine , Arnolet, 1878<ref> Ifru was a sun goddess and a god even as caves and protector of the home. <ref>Les cultes païens dans l'Empire romain De Jules Toutain, page 416, p635 et p636<ref> . Ifru or Ifran is a kind of Vesta Berber But the majority of historians they say Kahina was chritian <ref>Gabriel Camps, Berber encyclopaedia<ref>. Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian. Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion. Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith <ref>The FalashasA Short History of the Ethiopian Jews De David Kessler
  3. Relations judéo-musulmanes au Marocperceptions et réalités De Michel Abitbol
  4. Page 193 tome 3 d'Ibn Khaldoun Histoire des Berbères
  5. Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berberes, Traduction Slane, édition Berti
  6. La Berbérie et L'Islam et la France par Eugène Guernier, tome 1, édition de l'union française, 1950
  7. Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berbère, traduit par Slane , édition Berti


Problem 2

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this is a big problem

REFRENCE 12  ?????????

Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France[1]Archives des missions scientifiques et littéraires De France Commission des missions scientifiques et littéraires, France[2] the Plural of Ifri is Ifran.[3][4][5] Ifru was a sun goddess and a god even as caves and protector of the home. [6]. Kahina called his son Ifran. And few of them was christian. Ibn Khaldun, say Ifran are berber , he don't say any thing to concerne their religion. Some contemporary historian like Emile Félix Gautier in his french book "Siècles obscurs du Moghreb" , he say Zenata was very wild people. Some historian say the Queen Kahina was a Judith [7][8][9][10][11][12] in this page --Great11 (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I need help --Great11 (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I resolve the problem . I think , it's very good . I make lot of errors in this page sorry..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Great11 (talkcontribs) 18:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. Mots, Edmond Rostand
  2. Recueil des notices et mémoires de la Société archéologique, historique, .. du département de Constantine , Arnolet, 1878
  3. Gabriel Camps, Berber encyclopaedia
  4. The FalashasA Short History of the Ethiopian Jews De David Kessler
  5. Relations judéo-musulmanes au Marocperceptions et réalités De Michel Abitbol
  6. Page 193 tome 3 d'Ibn Khaldoun Histoire des Berbères
  7. Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berberes, Traduction Slane, édition Berti
  8. La Berbérie et L'Islam et la France par Eugène Guernier, tome 1, édition de l'union française, 1950
  9. Ibn Khaldun, Histoire des berbère, traduit par Slane , édition Bert

Ifran / Africa

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I have removed the unsourced sentence "The Roman name Africa means Land of the Afri, the indigenous inhabitants of North Africa" in the etymology section - it was implying an unsourced connection. Does anyone have a source which connects the Ifran with the Ifriqiya? The arabic إفريقية‎ and يفرن have only two letters فر in common rather than the three needed for a Semitic root. Oncenawhile (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)Reply