Talk:National Children's Chorus

I object to the proposed deletion.

The National Children’s Chorus is over one hundred years old. They have been written about in many national newspapers, have made tv appearances and have accomplished many things in those 100 years. The Paulist Choristers, the forerunner of NCC, performed on the soundtrack for “Edward Scissorhands” is but one example. All of this is detailed in the article! Whoever proposed this deletion totally ignored this! NCC has also performed a concert at the DMZ in Korea, which is a significant cultural achievement, and a positive contribution to International Relations. It is baffling to me why anyone would delete this article. All one has to do is to read the history. It’s not “promotional” it’s Fact! Why are facts about what the Paulist Choristers/NCC have achieved considered “promotional?” At any rate, there should be a discussion, someone should not be allowed delete the article without discussion. I raise an objection. ~2026-16261-31 (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

I disagree that the article doesn’t meet the “general notability” requirement or that is promotional.

Look at the References. There are any number of reliable secondary sources that whoever objected to the article has conveniently ignored.

How is describing the history of an organization such as the Paulist Choristers/National Children’s Chorus in any way “promotional?” They are survivors. The history section shows that they have always been an organization of significance. From raising money for refugees during World War I to performing Benjamin Britten’s “War Requiem” in LA to highlight Ukraine in early 2023, they have made meaningful contributions to the national cultural landscape. The article states facts. Is no one allowed to give any history then? Since when did “history” become “promotion?”

There is no call for auditions in the article. ~2026-16261-31 (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

To address the concerns regarding WP:GNG (General Notability Guidelines), I am providing several high-quality, independent, secondary sources that provide significant coverage of the National Children's Chorus. These include a feature in The Korea Times on their DMZ performance, a Playbill article on their Carnegie Hall solo debut, and critical reviews from the LA Times.

Major International & National Press The Korea Times (2019): A detailed feature article titled "Songs of Harmony resonate from DMZ." This is a critical source because it documents the group’s performance at the Korean Demilitarized Zone (Camp Greaves), framing it as a significant cultural and diplomatic event. Playbill (2025): An article covering the group’s solo concert debut at Carnegie Hall’s Stern Auditorium. This is vital because it proves the NCC is notable as a standalone headlining act, not just as a supporting choir. Dallas Observer (2023): A deep-dive feature story titled "The National Children's Chorus Takes Young Musicians From Dallas to Abbey Road." It provides a comprehensive look at the organization's growth and impact. Critical Reviews & Industry Recognition The LA Times (2019): Famed critic Mark Swed reviewed the 2019 performance of Mahler’s Symphony No. 8 at the Walt Disney Concert Hall. He specifically highlighted the children as "splendid Angel Choirs." This performance eventually won the 2022 Grammy for Best Choral Performance. OperaWire (2024): An extensive interview with Artistic Director Luke McEndarfer on the organization’s 20th anniversary and its evolution into a national institution. BroadwayWorld (2025): Reporting on the major new partnership with Compton Unified School District to bring vocal arts training to the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindseysharpe (talk • contribs) 15:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree that that these secondary sources establish the National Children's Chorus as a significant cultural institution. The content is not promotional and provides a clear, objective timeline of the ensemble's history. Nicholas.pelletier (talk) 20:40, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Question regarding deletion of descriptive information.

I have a question as to why certain descriptive information was removed from the National Children’s Chorus article. Information about the number of choristers, the fact that the NCC is a bicoastal choir (it is, this is a fact, not promotional in any way.) I checked the Wikipedia pages of other similar choirs, and they have published information regarding the number of choristers in their group and the choir’s location. NCC is indeed bicoastal, with chapters in Los Angeles, New York, Washington, D.C., Boston, San Francisco, Dallas, Austin, and Chicago. How is this information promotional? I have also alerted officials/administrators of the National Children’s Chorus and let them know their article is being criticized. ~2026-16261-31 (talk) 22:18, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-16261-31 based on your claim at the end, I'll guess you have some connection to the topic, in which case you should know that conflict of interest must be declared on Wikipedia, to which point the text in question which was removed was obvious promotional material.

The only part I believe could be added back is It has over 1,400 choristers and its members are between the ages of five and eighteen, and divided into Junior Division (Prelude, Minuet, Sonata, and Concerto Levels) and Senior Division (Debut and Premier Ensembles, and Scholars) across its eight chapter cities – Los Angeles, New York, Washington, D.C., San Francisco, Austin, Dallas, Boston (Newton) and Chicago (Evanston).

Having checked every source on the page so far, I would say two may possibly be qualified as significant coverage, leaving some doubts as to whether the topic would pass WP:GNG if brought to a deletion debate. I'm actually also curious about one source, which links to Hypeddit.com, which is a marketing company specific to music promotion.

The list of performances lacks the sourcing to indicate noteworthiness and likely could also be removed - we should only be listing performances if they have encyclopedic relevance, but that can be subjective. ASUKITE 22:48, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

A “positive contribution to international relations” is totally and ridiculously irrelevant. It’s baffling that you think otherwise; Wikipedia cares about RS, none of which you cite. ~2026-17809-88 (talk) 14:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Originally, when the article was being marked for speedy deletion, there was language to the effect that the person who marked the article for deletion should contact The National Children’s Chorus and let them know of their action. I had doubts as to whether or not this would actually occur, for obvious reasons. Why then, do you believe that my comment at the end implies that I have a conflict of interest, if there was previously guidance to contact the National Children's Chorus?

Also, if you would restore the language which you have stated yourself was what could be restored, that would satisfy me.

I have not tried to edit the information myself as I am Not an employee nor am I in any way affiliated with the National Children’s Chorus. I do not have complete or current information on number of singers or other information, this may change every so often. ~2026-16261-31 (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

 Done thanks for that. Wikipedia is generally independent and does not respond to the whims of the topics written about, nor is any kind of contact expected in either direction (as a matter of fact, it's generally frowned-upon, with some exceptions) - that's the main reason I thought there might be a COI involved. There's also nothing wrong with writing about awards, if they're sourced, but we have to respect WP:DUE coverage and include it in a way that doesn't seem overtly promotional. ASUKITE 00:05, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Which RS establish that NCC meets GNG and NCORP? “Meaningful contributions to the national cultural landscape” is as vague as it is subjective. Refers to the relevant wiki rules; otherwise, I will renominate for deletion and involve other editors for a fact-based discussion, rather than sarcasm and temper tantrums. ~2026-17809-88 (talk) 14:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)