Talk:Jeddah Tower

Progress seems stalled

According to this youtube video - needs a proper reference discussing the recent status. --mfb (talk) 09:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

GA Status

This article doesn't seem to meet the criteria for GA status, even if it may have in 2011. Not sure what the process is to have it delisted. - Mainly 17:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

current height?

Infobox says construction has stopped in January 2018. Does anyone know the building's current height? It is quite hard to estimate, since there shows no nearby buildings. 109.240.219.111 (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

I have no proper source to provide, but I've seen a current height of 273 meters floating around the Internet. It was ostensibly based on comparing the number of storeys built so far to heigt markers on the tower's blueprints. The original source may be buried deep in the construction thread of SkyscraperCity or another skyscraper forum. In other words, I can't provide anything but hearsay, but the figure might satisfy your curiosity, at least. Codraroll (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Construction Stall

It's 2021 in all parts of the world. We need an update on the construction stall. Uaiazr Jxhiosh (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

We are unlikely to get official announcements of delays, and some users strongly prefer completely outdated official announcements over more recent updates. Have a look at Dubai Creek Tower and its talk page for another example. The article lead still claims it's under construction after two and a half years without progress. --mfb (talk) 09:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Jeddah Tower is dead?

After three years of no progress, no plans to resume the construction... Is it about time to cancel it???

A reputable source would have to declare the tower canceled first. There are all sorts of Wikipedia guidelines about that. Such a declaration doesn't seem likely to come soon, though. The developer even denies that construction is on hold, and uses their leverage with the CTBUH to label it as still under construction according to their database. CTBUH is one of the most used official sources, so it would not really be appropriate for Wikipedia to contradict it to such a degree. I personally believe the tower is quite dead for a number of arguably subjective reasons, but for all official purposes it is just taking a little break in construction. Codraroll (talk) 08:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough but when it's rusting/falling down are we still going to say it's ongoing? There has to be a limit. Wikipedia is pretty ropey in that it requires a "source" to confirm the blinding obvious. In this case I agree, it's not time yet. But if in 10 years time it's just a white elephant are we still going to say it's "ongoing" just because some egomaniacs are clinging onto a dream? Sirhissofloxley (talk) 01:24, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Fortunately, as time goes on and nothing happens, it will become ever more likely that a reputable source will point out the obvious. Then again, we may end up in a situation like Ryugyong Hotel, which is also listed as on hold three decades after construction "took a break" and the building structure has deteriorated past the point of habitability. Another plausible outcome is that of the Metropolitan Life North Building, which was capped off at a fraction of its planned height. But until a decision is taken to do something about the tower, or its limbo status drags on for long enough that somebody notices, "On hold" is the best we can do. Codraroll (talk) 09:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

When I look at this tower, and it’s sky terrace, I see a Bond movie. Maybe they could CGI it? 2601:647:5800:3B60:1CE3:61D9:8365:DC43 (talk) 08:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Construction Resume

After 5 years of left being abandoned, The Jeddah Tower has finally resumed for construction 24.235.144.97 (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Now JEC Tower?

This article states the latest name is "JEC Tower": https://newatlas.com/architecture/jec-tower-saudi-construction-update-jan-2025/ Jpatokal (talk) 02:19, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Jeddah Tower is growing once more!

After construction resumed in January 2025, work was rather slow despite the plan to have each new floor per every four days. Mostly due to regathering of the workers and equipment as well as observation of the Ramadan in March 2025. However, as of April 2025, local Saudi report as well as some independent efforts have recorded Jeddah Tower to be going as proceeded, now standing at its 66th floor per the latest update from April 2025. Provided that this Ramadan ended on March 29th, 2025, a new floor seems to be added every week at this rate, meaning that since April 11th, 2025 (when the report was made), Jeddah Tower may have three new floors added, placing it at the 69th floor with the 70th floor expected next week, and so the 80th floor will be done in July 2025, and the 100th sometime by the end of 2025.

These are all just estimates and we have yet to receive new information regarding the progress of Jeddah Tower. But joyous shall it remain, for the Jeddah Tower after many years of being frozen, is growing once more, indicating hope of the world's first kilometer-high skyscraper coming to life. AustroHungarian1867 (talk) 05:16, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello. It's been almost a month since I made this. I will provide it with an update.

Based on what was last said, the progress to the 70th floor was not fast as I thought. It is still slow. On May 26th, 2025, an independent Arabian language source stated that the Jeddah Tower had already reached its 69th floor on the main core (or 73 floors if you count the lobby as well as B1 and B2 below), making it 278 meters tall. Each floor on average is 4 meters tall, meaning that the 75th floor will bring about 300 meters to the Jeddah Tower and the 100th floor will make Jeddah Tower 400 meters tall. It would not be possible to rank Jeddah Tower as the tallest in Saudi Arabia until the 150th floor which would be at 600+ meters. As we know now, between April 11th and May 26th, 2025, the Jeddah Tower has grown by three floors, meaning that in this course of six weeks, a new floor is being added every two weeks at this pace. It's still progress but very slow and we may not expect sped up construction until in the more later period of 2025 when we can at least expect the 80th floor and then the 100th floor in 2026.

Construction is going but slow. Hopefully we will see the one-kilometer high tower in action by 2028 or 2030. AustroHungarian1867 (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Nearly two months have passed since. Construction has indeed sped up following the installation of a new crane in June 2025. Now it is one floor per every five days, a pace intended to be as full pace of the construction. Between June 16th and July 13th, 2025, five floors. The next floor is expected sometime soon at this rate. We will likely see the 80th floor by the end of July or by the start of August 2025. Jeddah Tower as of the most recent photos, stands at 77 floors (74 floors without B1 and B2) since July 7th, 2025. Now it is likely at its 78th floor which is floor 75 without B1 and B2. At the height of 312 meters (given the average floor is 4 meters) Jeddah Tower surpassed the Riyadh Kingdom Center.

Based on my very early prediction from May 2nd, 2025, the Jeddah Tower indeed is going to reach the 80th floor sometime around the end of July or early August 2025. It is one thing I managed to predict back then. Let's hope Jeddah Tower at this pace can get to 100 floors before 2026. For every five days means a floor, it means it would probably be 110 days until we can get to the 100th floor if the construction is going as proceeded without any delays or so. If we calculate the 110 days from current day, we will (funny enough) get October 31st, 2025 as the target date for the 100th floor. Most certainly not the precise one as it will change over time but I have high hope that Jeddah Tower will reach 100 floors before 2026. AustroHungarian1867 (talk) 06:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Right now, the page says "By June of that year, the tower was on its 70th floor. During the restarted construction, a new crane was installed on the core part of the tower in order to accelerate the construction. The Jeddah Tower is estimated to be completed sometime in 2028. In August 2025, Jeddah Tower was at the 68th floor." Clearly, this is inconsistent. Perhaps in the light of only speculative available information, the page should be updated stating that latest information is scarce and unreliable. 128.122.11.146 (talk) 20:59, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Refuge area?

The list of floor uses has a number if "refuge area" floors listed. What does this term mean? A footnote might be handy to include. 136.159.160.127 (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Jeddah Tower

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Result: Issues have not been resolved. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:19, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Numerous unsourced statements, outdated information that needs correction or expansion, some poor quality sourcing, and proseline abound. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 07:31, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

I came across this and agree that the proseline and sourcing was a problem. I've just gone through the article and removed the proseline, along with some irrelevant details (for example, there were entire paragraphs dedicated to unrelated topics such as the contractors' other work and a 9/11 lawsuit). In the process of doing so, I've removed some of the more unreliable Twitter sources as well. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:58, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

• @Epicgenius: There are some remaining uncited paragraphs. Interested in resolving these? Z1720 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New gallery picture request

Request for a new picture to gallery (made on 1/18/2026, 18th January 2026) Floors: 86

Link: https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx3ms7jpC5_gpaqeLgv-OBjelxYaFOlDQL

File:Jeddah tower newest photo 18th january 2026.jpg

the newest photo of the jeddah tower in construction

Kako999 (talk) 15:35, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Not done for now: That picture needs more copyright information in order for it to stay up in commons. meamemg (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Obsolete floor list based on superseded sources.

It keeps getting added back, but I don't see the need to keep it since the new one is based on the latest verifiable sources, so I removed it. Podz00 (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Obsolete floor progression table based on X (WP:RS / WP:FUTURE)

The current floor progression table appears to be based almost entirely on posts from X (formerly Twitter), often from generic or non-authoritative accounts. Per WP:RS, such material does not qualify as a reliable source, and visual inference from images is not an acceptable substitute for independent, editorially controlled references. Additionally, the table presents speculative or forward-looking information derived from these posts, which conflicts with WP:FUTURE / WP:CRYSTAL. In the absence of up-to-date, reliable third-party sources (CTBUH, official project documentation, reputable media, etc), the table is both unsourced and redundant, as it relies on superseded assumptions rather than verifiable data. For these reasons, retaining the table does not improve encyclopedic value and risks misleading readers the table was removed, as it was obsolete, unsourced, and did not add reliable encyclopedic value. Podz00 (talk) 17:24, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Redundant construction images in gallery (WP:NOTGALLERY)

Multiple images showing construction progress were previously included in the article gallery, despite the fact that all of them are already available via the linked Wikimedia Commons category at the bottom of the page. Wikipedia articles are not intended to duplicate extensive image collections (WP:NOTGALLERY). The gallery section had already been correctly removed once on the same grounds by @Eurohunter:.

For this reason, the gallery section was removed again, as it duplicated content already available on Commons and did not add additional encyclopedic value to the article. Podz00 (talk) 17:33, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

New floor plan / floor usage directory

I noticed this section was updated recently.

The old version was roughly

• first 90 floors = office
• 90 to 115 = apartments
• 115 to 155 = hotel.

1) Where did this new floor directory come from? I clicked on all 4 cited references ( [E] [31] [119] [120] ) but could not verify the information. However, from the depth of technical info & a recent news article confirming Four Seasons Hotel would occupy 19 to 27, I don’t doubt the information is correct. I’m just wondering what the original source is.

2) Levels 126 to 153 being “Void Space with M/E/P and Future Flexible Space” does feel odd, though. It feels like a lot of wasted space. Was this really intentional or they couldn’t find a tenant?

3) Levels 167 to 252. I was under the impression spire maintenance levels were generally not listed or considered as “floors” if they weren’t concrete floors with floor plates & weren’t habitable. If we followed this convention, Burj Khalifa would also have floor numbers reaching into the 200s. ~2026-99741-8 (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

1) The updated floor plan is primarily based on references [119] and [120], which are both authoritative project-level sources:

[119]: "2. Project Components", The Jeddah Tower – Annex A – Project Description Brief, August 2023, Jeddah Economic Company Ltd., p. 5.

[120]: Smith, A.D.; Gill, G.; Irwin, H.P.A.H. (2022), Jeddah Tower, in Supertall/megatall: how high can we go?, ORO Editions, p. 278.

Both references explicitly list the functional allocation of the tower, including hotel levels and private residential levels associated with the hotel. Page numbers are specified, and while these documents are not freely published, they are traceable and partially accessible through professional and academic channels (you can google them). The recently reported Four Seasons Hotel occupancy aligns exactly with the hotel levels indicated in the updated table.

2) The designation of levels 126 to 153 as "Void Space with MEP and Future Flexible Space" is not speculative (appears exactly like that in the floor plan diagrams in those sources). The same sources explicitly state: "There are potentially 28 levels with 37.800 sqm of space that can be developed as the building is being constructed if sales are strong enough to warrant expense."

This indicates a deliberate phased-development strategy, not leftover or accidental voids. These levels are structurally integrated into the tower and reserved to allow late-stage program expansion depending on market demand and financial feasibility during construction.
(In my opinion, if developed, they would most likely become additional ultra-luxury residences, as that would be the most coherent use in that vertical zone of the tower. However, that part is speculative and not stated in the sources.)

3) Whether spire and maintenance levels are counted as "floors" depends entirely on the conventions adopted by the design team and the documentation standard used. In the case of Jeddah Tower, these levels are explicitly enumerated in technical project documentation and therefore are listed in the floor directory.

Yes, if the same internal level counting convention were applied to Burj Khalifa, its level count would extend well beyond the commonly cited 163 floors.

Cheers. Podz00 (talk) 19:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! I found the 2 sources you named by Googling (these do not replace the current citations, as they’re a 3rd party Scribd upload & e-bookstore “Look Inside” preview, but I was able to confirm the relevant information)

[119] https://www.scribd.com/document/794176484/Project-Introduction

[120] https://issuu.com/oro_editions/docs/supertall_look?fr=sODEzYzQ5MjUzOTE

Your comment about the phased development certainly makes sense. It’s interesting there are so few office floors (7 to 13), leaving the building almost entirely residential. In contrast, corporate offices make up almost the top third of BK (111 to 151) instead of the lowest levels, and were reportedly sold at higher prices (to the Middle East’s largest corporations) than the private residences.

But the article looks good for now, until/unless something changes when it opens. 😃 ~2026-10028-13 (talk) 02:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Maybe high-level corporate offices made sense when (and where) Burj Khalifa was developed. I'm not sure how much that was driven by height prestige vs actual corporate demand at the time. In Jeddah today there may simply be different market dynamics, or those upper void levels could eventually be developed as high-level corporate or mixed-use suites, we don't know yet :) Podz00 (talk) 03:51, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Question

I know I’m supposed to ask my mentor this, but how do I add citations? Also, would X posts or SkyscraperCity be considered as a reliable source? Just want to know since I might add a sentence about Ramadan construction. PixelKingdoms26 (talk) 21:19, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi, you can add a citation in Visual Editor by placing your cursor after the text, clicking "Cite" in the toolbar, and filling in the source details. Guide here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_referencing_with_VisualEditor/2

As for sources, posts on X or SkyscraperCity are user-generated content and generally not considered reliable per WP:UGC. They may be usable only if they come from an official, verified account (developer, contractor, etc.). Otherwise, for something like Ramadan construction, you'll need a reliable published source.

Cheers. Podz00 (talk) 21:41, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! PixelKingdoms26 (talk) 21:49, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

The photo

the photo is outdated Theres got to be newer photos then that ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 18:21, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

The photo isn't particularly outdated. It shows the tower at the 88th floor on 5 February 2026, while construction is now around the 93rd floor, so the difference is only a few floors. A replacement would require a newer freely licensed image on Commons, which doesn't appear to be available at the moment. Podz00 (talk) 19:52, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

does it need updated now? ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 01:18, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

No, not really. The difference is still only a few floors, and a newer freely licensed image on Commons doesn't appear to be available yet. If one appears, it can be updated. Podz00 (talk) 01:38, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

okay I just don't know how many floors it has right now since the feature floor was removed the images too sorry I just want to see this tower completed ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 16:02, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

it actually is kind of outdated kako999 sent a YouTube channel which the channel shows jeddeh tower recently the windows on the 2nd part has way more windows now then the image that's on this Wikipedia page yeah its outdated now ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Images are still available through the Commons link at the bottom of the page. Any new updated photos uploaded to Commons will appear there, as before, so the gallery was not necessary for that. Also, the article does not need to reflect every small construction update. Wikipedia is not a news site, and a photo from a little over a month ago can still be considered recent even if a few additional floors or windows have been added since then.

If you want to follow the latest construction updates and photos, you can easily find them on the SkyscraperCity forum in the thread titled "Jeddah | Jeddah Tower | 1000m | 167 fl | U/C". For the latest reported floor count, you can also check here: List of buildings with 100 floors or more#Buildings under construction Podz00 (talk) 20:27, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

okay I guess I'll stop bothering you for now ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/post/UgkxDYxje4EPVoL1jBEADmHq1ytDz_EuenPd

Does this make much difference?

If not this will be my last message for a while i will check back sometime in April bye for now ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me at all, I was just trying to explain how the images on the page work and to be helpful 😉

I'm not opposed to updating the photo. The only issue is that a newer freely licensed image on Commons would be needed, and at the moment none seems to be available. Videos or images from YouTube unfortunately cannot be used for that. If a newer suitable image appears on Commons, it can certainly be updated. Until then, the current photo is still reasonably recent. Podz00 (talk) 01:19, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

are you into skyscrapers because I am and I can't wait for it to be completed in 2027 what about you? ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 00:08, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, it's definitely an impressive project and I get the excitement. I'm not particularly into skyscrapers themselves, but I do find this one interesting from a technical and engineering point of view, so I just try to keep the focus here on improving the article. Podz00 (talk) 05:28, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

1,010m final height?

Officially, the height is being kept “secret” for competitive reasons, but numerous blueprints & technical documents have leaked, many of which are being cited in this article.

We can figure out the final height using basic arithmetic:

After Floor 157, the upper floors & mechanical levels in the spire appear to be a constant 4m each.

• Floor 157: 630m

• Floor 159: 638m

• Floor 169: 678m (last concrete floor / bottom of spire)

• Level 230: 922m

The spire’s dedicated maintenance lift travels between 169 and 230.

I would assume anything above that is too narrow to fit even an elevator, only stairs / ladders.

All of the recent technical documents say the levels go up to 252. Do the math, and

• Level 252: 1010m

Of course, it’s possible “Level 252” might not be 4m high, but anything beyond that & the developers would just subdivide this narrow uninhabitable space into more “levels.” They’re trying to set the record for the building with most floors/levels too, not just the height.

Sources: all cited in article, plus

https://global.ctbuh.org/resources/papers/download/2388-elevator-designs-for-the-kingdom-tower.pdf ~2026-17504-09 (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi. Many of the levels within the spire appear to be technical or reference levels used for design and maintenance purposes, rather than actual occupiable or mechanically distinct floors, and in some cases may not physically exist at all but simply represent paper subdivisions of the vertical space. This is quite common in supertall projects, where the spire is subdivided into multiple nominal "levels" for engineering reasons, even if they do not correspond to real floors.

As a result, the final official floor count that will be made public will likely be significantly lower than the total number of "levels" indicated in those design documents.

In the 2013 tower stacking diagram (available online, e.g. on Scribd), you can see the elevations assigned to each level, which helps clarify how the level/height system actually works. In particular, level 252 seems to simply mark the tip of the steel spire, effectively with no floor-to-floor height of its own. Based on that document, the architectural height would be 1007 m rather than 1008 m or 1010 m, unless there have been subsequent design revisions, but we don't know yet.

Cheers. Podz00 (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2026 (UTC)

The photo

since it's April 1st is it time to update the photo because I really want to know what it looks like now instead of February ~2026-13862-33 (talk) 09:43, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

Update the photo

it needs to be updated like now that photo is already outdated and jeddah is already at 100 BTW ~2026-20961-27 (talk) 02:21, 5 April 2026 (UTC)