Help talk:Template

Can some one use this lead and take on the task of making it possible (using Template:rtl?) to graph Negative Numbers using a template (i.e. Bar chart)?

So https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special-purpose_acquisition_company&oldid=1292866071 almost works to graph Negative Numbers in Bar chart. (Reverted back to the working but kinda inferior chart with the following edit.)

I can't make heads or tails of the source of {{Bar chart}}, to actually make it work, so I'm writing here, seeking help from someone skilled in template writing to try to make it work. This is a start, but it's over my head to tackle. RememberOrwell (talk) 07:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@RememberOrwell: The "correct" place to ask this would have been the talk page of the actual template, or Wikipedia:Help desk if the template has very few watchers (ideally you would probably ask on the actual template's talk page first, and then repost on the help desk a few days later if there isn't a response, but I quite understand why you, and most people, might go to the help desk straight away). Please don't take that as a complaint, I just want to help you for the future, because help talk pages like this are usually watched by quite few people, because the way that Wikipedia works doesn't change frequently.

That aside, a simple workaround (though probably with a slightly less easy-to-read syntax than the original template) would be to use a wikitable and {{Bartable}} (for examples see the {{Bartable}} documentation), which allows positive and negative numbers by allowing having the data span two columns (with a common header). I'll add a link to this, and make it clear that {{Bar chart}} doesn't support negative numbers, in its documentation.

However, for the page in question, in my opinion, what's there currently looks just fine, as all of the data is negative, so the template used works fine in showing the relative magnitudes. To be clear, were you envisioning all the data to have right-aligned bars, or should some of it be positive and some of it negative (and some of the data or signs are currently excluded)?

Another alternative, if what you're looking for is a way of presenting the data that makes the 90% loss look small and the 19% loss look big, would be to replace the data with its additive complement from 1 – that is, to display '2025 share price as a % of 2009' instead of '% losses from 2009–2025'. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) WT79 ^{(speak to | editing analysis | edit list)} 03:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @WT79. I'm wanting to present the data as the bars (themselves) at the version of the page I linked to do, but with the surrounding text not borked. As is is passable, but not good. Thanks for the help! I chose to post here presuming Wikipedia:Help desk visitors/followers probably mostly don't edit templates, but most visitors/followers here do. Correct, no? Thus drawing attention mostly of folks who could help. I chose to post here presuming a post to {{Bar chart}}'s talk would not garner help. I'm not seeing any rationale in your positing of purportedly better places to post. "because help talk pages like this are usually watched by quite few people" makes this a correct place to post, to my reading. It does seem switching to using {{Bartable}} would work but making {{Bar chart}} better (by using {{Bartable}}?) would be cooler. RememberOrwell (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

@RememberOrwell: Sorry, when I said 'watched by few people', I was meaning 'not very many people', as opposed to 'a few people', which I would use to mean a sort of halfway towards 'lots of people'. It might be dialectal or maybe I just can't speak English (more than possible). In numeric terms (see page info for this page and page info for WP:Help desk, the help desk has about 40 times as many watchers as this, and I expect more than that proportion are familiar with magic words, HTML, etc. However, no matter – we're here now.

I'm now very confused by what you want for the page/template – what is wrong with the surrounding text? I had thought from your original post that your issue was the alignment of the bars, nothing to do with the surrounding text. Is it instead the alignment of the chart as a whole, or the wrapping (having text beside the chart) which is the issue? I'm very eager to help, but don't understand what you'd like to be achieved. WT79 ^{(speak to | editing analysis | edit list)} 12:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

I guess what's confusing you is not looking at the relevant version. Take another look at the bars in the version I linked to above, and I'm sure you'll see what I mean: The surrounding text, because I tried using {{rtl-para}}, becomes obviously messed up - clear if you look at the version I linked to where it's in use. It fixed the alignment of the bars but messes up the surrounding text. So I removed it (the rtl-para). :-) Also, wouldn't it be nice if someone formatted {{Bartable}} (newlines, indentation) it so it's readable? And {{Bar_chart/bar}}. Wild guess, but if I'm not mistaken, it looks like the latter could be edited to incorporate bits of the former to make {{Bar_chart}} able to graph Negative Numbers. RememberOrwell (talk) 23:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Created Template:Bartable/doc#Formatted, commented code (as of 22 Jun 2025). RememberOrwell (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Created Template:Bar chart/doc#Formatted, commented code (as of 22 Jun 2025). RememberOrwell (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Template space alias

In case you haven't noticed yet, the template space alias is now "TM:". Just as WP:PAGENAME can be used as a shortcut for Wikipedia:PAGENAME, TM:PAGENAME is a shortcut for Template:PAGENAME. Just spreading the word. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 15:59, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Harmonize the width of two templates

I often encounter two templates and would like for them to be the same width. The first one, Template:Trump–Russia relations, is the one that needs adjusting as it is used much less than Template:Donald Trump series, and I want them to be the same width.

I suspect that all "series" templates are the same width. If not, they should be. In that case, make both templates the width of all "series" templates.

I am clueless how to do this, so would really appreciate some help. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:57, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

The width of Template:Trump–Russia relations is defined by the greater of two items - the |250px parameter of the main image, and the width:23.5em; declaration in the |style= parameter. The width of Template:Donald Trump series is set by the width: 22em; declaration at Module:Sidebar/styles.css#L-5. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:31, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. They are now the same width. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:19, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

User:Redrose64, I'd also like to get an image to be the same width and can't figure it out. Please look at this test page and make the image the same width as the templates: User:Valjean/Template test -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:15, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

You would need to use an absolute size such as |236px. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:50, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

That was exactly the right width! One would think you've tried this before. Much appreciated. Have a good day. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:42, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Burkard Jurt (1822-1900)

Hello! Last July, I published an article on the German Wikipedia about the Swiss Catholic priest Burkard Jurt (1822-1900). I have now prepared a draft article in English for the English Wikipedia. As I am new to editing in the English Wikipedia, I would greatly appreciate your feedback before I move the article to the main namespace. In particular, I would be grateful if you could review the formatting, citation templates (such as {{cite book}} and {{cite journal}}), DOI links, categories, and any other technical aspects that may need attention. Thank you very much for your time and assistance. Best regards, Patrick Joseph Braun (my username on the German Wikipedia)

Here is my draft article:

This is nothing to do with improving the page Help:Template

Burkard Jurt (23 May 1822 – 7 July 1900) was a Swiss Roman Catholic priest, theologian, preacher and parish priest of Basel from 1858 until his death. His ministry spanned the formative decades of modern Switzerland and the Swiss Kulturkampf, during which he became a prominent defender of Roman Catholic interests in predominantly Protestant Basel.

Early life and education Burkard Jurt was born on 23 May 1822 in Lucerne, Switzerland, into a Catholic family originally from Neudorf, Lucerne in the canton of Lucerne. He attended the cantonal grammar school (Gymnasium) in Lucerne, where he received a classical education and came under the influence of the teacher Ignaz Rölly (1806–1894), who encouraged his academic development.[1]

After completing a two-year course in philosophy at the Archiepiscopal Seminary in Milan, Jurt returned to Lucerne to study Catholic theology. His education coincided with a period of growing political and religious tensions in Switzerland that culminated in the Sonderbund War of 1847, a short civil conflict between the Catholic conservative cantons and the liberal cantons that paved the way for the establishment of the modern Swiss federal state. Like many theology students of his generation, Jurt volunteered for military service during the conflict. He served as secretary in the headquarters of the Sonderbund forces, gaining first-hand experience of the political upheavals that profoundly shaped relations between Church and state in nineteenth-century Switzerland.[2] On 24 April 1848, shortly after the creation of the Swiss federal state, he was ordained a priest by Joseph Anton Salzmann, bishop of the diocese of Basel.

Ministry in Malters After his ordination in 1848, Jurt began his pastoral ministry in Malters, a Catholic parish in the canton of Lucerne, where he remained for almost a decade. Initially serving as chaplain under parish priest Paul Höltschi (1799–1853),[3] he gained practical pastoral experience and developed a close relationship with Höltschi, who became an important mentor and supporter. Following Höltschi’s death in 1853, Jurt was a candidate for the position of parish priest of Malters. However, the liberal government of the canton of Lucerne refused to approve his appointment, largely because of his association with the defeated Sonderbund during the civil conflict of 1847. As a former member of the Sonderbund forces, Jurt was regarded with suspicion by the liberal political authorities, despite his growing reputation as a priest. He therefore continued his pastoral work in Malters as chaplain under the new parish priest Joseph Elmiger (1794–1869). This period broadened his pastoral experience and exposed him to the tensions between Catholic conservatism and liberal state power that would continue to influence his ministry in Basel.

Election as parish priest of Basel After the death of Sebastian von Büren (1793–1857), parish priest of Basel,[4] the leaders of the Catholic community faced a difficult situation. The election of his successor took place in a politically and religiously sensitive environment. Although Basel was a predominantly Protestant canton, relations between conservative Catholic circles and liberal political forces remained tense.[5] In December 1857, the conflict surrounding the parish election became so serious that the government of the canton of Basel intervened in the process. A key figure in the negotiations was Adolf Christ (1807–1877), a textile manufacturer, member of the cantonal council, and an influential representative of conservative Protestant circles in Basel.[6] The election of a new parish priest therefore had implications beyond the internal affairs of the Catholic community.[7] The bishop of Basel, Carl Arnold-Obrist (1796–1862),[8] supported Burkard Jurt, whom he considered a loyal and suitable candidate for the position. On 24 January 1858, the leaders of the Catholic community, under the chairmanship of Adolf Christ, elected Jurt as the new parish priest of Basel.

Parish priest of Basel (1858-1900)

Early ministry (1858–1874) After his election in 1858, Burkard Jurt served as parish priest of Basel for more than four decades. His early years in office were marked by the consolidation of the Catholic community in a city where the majority of the population belonged to the Reformed tradition. Together with the Catholic parish leadership, he focused on promoting the institutional foundations of Catholic life, including the renovation of St. Clara Church,[9] the expansion of Catholic education,[10] and plans for the establishment of a Catholic hospital. During this period, Jurt maintained a regular correspondence with the Basel-born painter and convert Emilie Linder (1797–1867), who lived in Munich. Their exchange of letters reflected the religious and cultural concerns of the Catholic milieu of the time and provides insight into the spiritual networks connecting Basel Catholicism with wider Catholic circles in nineteenth-century Europe.

The Swiss Kulturkampf The conflict over the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Swiss state intensified in the 1870s with the beginning of the Kulturkampf. A major turning point was the removal of Eugène Lachat (1819–1886), Bishop of Basel, by several liberal cantonal governments in 1873. For Jurt, this intervention represented an unacceptable interference of political authorities in ecclesiastical affairs. His position reflected the ultramontane understanding of the Church, which emphasized the authority of the Pope and the independence of ecclesiastical institutions from state control (Ultramontanism). He remained firmly loyal to the bishop and defended the principle that a bishop could not be deprived of his spiritual office by state authorities.[11] The conflict also led to the emergence of the Christian Catholic movement in Switzerland, which was formally constituted as the Christian Catholic Church of Switzerland in 1875. Jurt regarded the movement not as a legitimate reform of the Catholic Church but as a separation from it. Around 2,000 members of his parish joined the Christian Catholic community supported by the liberal cantonal government.[12] Rather than responding to this development through political confrontation, Jurt concentrated on strengthening Catholic religious life in Basel. He intensified pastoral work, preached on the unity of the Church, promoted Catholic associations, and supported the Catholic press. In 1873, he encouraged the founding of the Basler Volksblatt, a newspaper intended to present the Catholic position and reinforce the faithful during the conflicts surrounding the Kulturkampf.

Consolidation of the Catholic community After the closure of the Catholic school by the cantonal government in 1884,[13] Jurt redirected the resources previously devoted to Catholic education towards the construction of a new Catholic church on the left bank of the Rhine. The building of St. Mary’s Church (Marienkirche)[14] became one of the defining projects of his later ministry and symbolized the growing institutional presence of Catholicism in Basel. In the final decades of his tenure, Jurt continued to develop Catholic communal life through pastoral initiatives, Catholic associations, and the promotion of the Catholic press. These efforts contributed to the emergence of a more cohesive Catholic milieu in Basel, providing the community with religious, social, and cultural structures at a time when Catholics remained a minority within a predominantly Protestant city. During Jurt’s tenure, the Catholic population of Basel grew from approximately 8,000 to around 37,000 inhabitants as a result of industrialisation and urban growth.[15] When he died in 1900, the Catholic community had developed from a relatively small group into a well-established religious community with its own institutions, organisations, and places of worship.

Legacy Burkard Jurt is remembered as one of the leading figures in the development of Catholic life in Basel during the second half of the nineteenth century. His more than forty-year tenure as parish priest coincided with a period in which Swiss Catholicism underwent profound transformation, from the political struggles following the Sonderbund War to the conflicts of the Kulturkampf and the emergence of organised Catholic minority communities within the modern Swiss federal state. Jurt’s historical significance rests not only on his defence of ecclesiastical authority during the Kulturkampf but also on his efforts to consolidate Catholic institutions and communal structures in Basel. Through pastoral work, Catholic associations, the press, and the construction of St. Mary’s Church, he contributed to the consolidation of Catholic identity in a predominantly Protestant city. Modern research has placed Jurt within the broader history of nineteenth-century Swiss Catholicism, particularly the development of Catholic social and religious networks in the period after 1848. His career illustrates the transition of Swiss Catholicism from a position of political weakness after the Sonderbund War towards a more organised and institutionally established presence in modern Switzerland.

Footnotes 1. Galliker 1978, p. 350. 2. Church/Head 2013, pp. 155-161. Holenstein 2018, pp. 27-43. 3. Hurni 1980, p. 44. 4. Liggenstorfer 2003. 5. Wecker 2000, pp. 196-205. 6. Janner 2012, pp. 58-65, 183-187. 7. Braun 2016, pp. 171–201. 8. Fink 1996, pp. 89-129. 9. Braun 2022. 10. Kocher 1975, pp. 150-172. 11. Pfister 2024, pp. 86-96, 109-111. 12. Meier-Kern 1997, p. 30. 13. Kocher 1975, pp. 173-219. 14. Braun 2023. 15. Meier-Kern 1997, pp. 14, 48, 84.

Works cited

Braun, Patrick (2016). Die Wahl Burkard Jurts . . vol. 116, 2016, pp. 171–201, doi:10.5169/seals-813332.
Braun, Patrick (2022). Basel. . Bern 2022. https://www.theos.unibe.ch/clarakircheunibe.ch
Braun, Patrick (2023). Basel. Die Marienkirche – Kirchenbau in der Zeit des Kulturkampfs. Bern 2023. https://www.theos.unibe.ch/marienkirche
Church, Clive H., and Randolph C. Head (2013). A Concise History of Switzerland. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2013.
Fink, Urban (1996). . In Urban Fink, Markus Ries, Victor Conzemius (eds.): . Freiburg Schweiz: Universitätsverlag Freiburg Schweiz, 1996.
Galliker, Hans Jörg (1978). . Bern: Peter Lang, 1978.
Holenstein, Rolf (2018). Stunde Null. Die Neuerfindung der Schweiz 1848. Die Privatprotokolle und Geheimberichte der Erfinder. Basel: Echtzeit Verlag, 2018.
Hurni, Franz (1980). Luzerner Geistliche im Spiegel politischer Prozesse in der Regenerations- und Sonderbundszeit. Freiburg/Schweiz: Universitätsverlag Freiburg Schweiz, 1980.
Janner, Sara (2012). . Basel: Schwabe, 2012.

Kocher, Alois (1975). Die katholische Schule zu Basel von den Anfängen bis zur Aufhebung 1884. In Basler Zeitschrift für Geschichte und Altertumskunde, vol. 75, 1975, pp. 121-220. e-periodica.ch

Liggenstorfer, Roger (2003). . In . Basel 2003. hls-dhs-dss.ch
Meier-Kern, Paul (1997). Zwischen Isolation und Integration. Geschichte der Katholischen Volkspartei Basel-Stadt 1870–1914. Neujahrsblatt der Gesellschaft für das Gute und Gemeinnützige, vol. 175. Basel: Schwabe, 1997.
Pfister, Benedikt (2024). Alles neu! Menschen, Milieus und Quartiere. In Stadt, Geschichte, Basel, vol. 6: Die beschleunigte Stadt, 1856-1914, ed. by Patrick Kury. Basel: Christoph Merian, 2024.
Wecker, Regina (2000). 1833 bis 1910: Die Entwicklung zur Grossstadt. In Kreis, Georg/Wartburg, Beat von (eds.). Basel. Geschichte einer städtischen Gesellschaft. Basel: Christoph Merian, 2000, pp. 196-224.

Further reading
Altermatt, Urs (2009). Konfession, Nation und Rom. Metamorphosen im schweizerischen und europäischen Katholizismus des 19. Jahrhunderts. Frauenfeld; Stuttgart; Vienna: Verlag Huber, 2009, pp. 47-121.

Beck, Joseph K. (1909). Basel: Basler Volksblatt, 1909.

Braun, Patrick (2017). . In  vol. 117, 2017, pp. 155–185, doi:10.5169/seals-736815.
Braun, Patrick (2019). . In  vol. 113, 2019, pp. 235–256, doi:10.5169/seals-847017.
Braun, Patrick (2020). . In  vol. 114, 2020, pp. 255–272, doi:10.5169/seals-882492.
Schenker, Lukas (2007). Burkard Jurt. In Historisches Lexikon der Schweiz, hls-dhs-dss.ch
Stadler, Peter (1984). Der Kulturkampf in der Schweiz. Eidgenossenschaft und katholische Kirche im europäischen Umkreis, 1848-1888. Frauenfeld; Stuttgart: Verlag Huber, 1984, pp. 277-304.

Patrick Joseph Braun (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

This is posted in the wrong place. This talk page is for discussion of the help page for writing and using templates, Help:Template. I know there are places to ask people to review draft articles, but I don't know what they are. Maybe you were interested in Template:Help instead of Help:Template. With the former, you can place a request for help on your own talk page. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 16:49, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Hello!

I apologize for the confusion. The article is now in the correct location, at Draft.

Kind regards Patrick Joseph Braun (talk) 06:29, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

@Patrick Joseph Braun: This is nothing to do with improving the page Help:Template. This page is not a help desk, either. You should read Help:Your first article. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:06, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Kind regards Patrick Joseph Braun (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2026 (UTC)