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How to view edit history of deleted pages

How do I view edit history of deleted pages without Wayback machine? Fence127 (talk) 17:27, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Become an administrator - which requires surviving some sort of Hell Week. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Look out it's Jimothy!} 17:32, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Wasn't there some off-wiki service that allowed you to do this? Like wayback machine but only for Wikipedia. Fence127 (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

That was Deletionpedia, but it has been shutdown. MKFI (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

I tried 'wikibin', but it doesn't show categories which is what I'm looking for. Fence127 (talk) 19:21, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

You can view the metadata (authors+timestamps) of deleted pages using User:SD0001/deleted-metadata-link.js. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:47, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

I want to view the actual page before it was deleted. Fence127 (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fence127: Which page and why do you want to view it? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

A category that has been G1 (patent nonsense) speedy deleted. I want to know what was on it. I remember reading it before it got deleted. Fence127 (talk) 19:44, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

I edited it too. Fence127 (talk) 19:44, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fence127: You created Category:Draft namespace move redirects wiht this content:

[[File:Symbol redirect vote2.svg]]
''This category is for drafts that were moved to another namespace.''
==M==
[[Draft:Mokhtar Adbelatif Stadium]]

The only other edit was adding {{db-nonsense}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

I created a sandbox test with the wiki text in the box. Only the icon showed up way too big. That was the only issue. Fence127 (talk) 06:52, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fence127: I don't know what your intention was but it appears you don't know how categories work or what move means. Draft:Mokhtar Adbelatif Stadium had not been moved before it was deleted and that's not how you place a page in a category. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:30, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Now I do. This was a long time ago. Fence127 (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Move means rename and/or move into another namespace. Fence127 (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fence127: Then maybe you could create a meaningful category today but I still don't know its purpose. Many drafts were moved to mainspace to become articles. Some poor articles were moved to the draft namespace. Some userspace drafts were moved to the draft namespace as a preferred location. Some draftspace drafts were moved to the userspace of the author. Some drafts were randomly moved by vandals or confused editors and maybe moved back. Which of these or what else would the category be for and why does it need a category? It's hard to tell when the only example is a page which was never actually moved. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking me. Fence127 (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fence127: You appear unhappy that Category:Draft namespace move redirects was deleted and said the only issue was the icon size. I'm trying to explain there were other issues which should be addressed if you want to create the category. If you don't then I'm not asking for anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

OK. I am just asking out of curiosity, not trying to restore the old page. Fence127 (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Howard Keel

You did not write about his movie in 1962 “The Unsinkable Molly Brown” with Debbie Reynolds! It was a fantastic movie. This was a great movie featuring Mr. Keel’s singing and the great Debbie Reynolds. This was not included in his bio! ~2026-52204-86 (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi ~2026-52204-86 we have an article The Unsinkable Molly Brown (film) - but that does not mention Howard Keel at all. If you think we have missed something, please provide a reference from a WP:Reliable source about his role in the movie. - Arjayay (talk) 20:07, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

The Unsinkable Molly Brown (film) was released in 1964, not 1962, and there is no indication in that article that Howard Keel appeared in it.

It was based on The Unsinkable Molly Brown (musical) of 1960. Again, Howard Keel did not appear in that initial production. He did appear in a touring stage production of the musical in 1971 and 1973.

You may have mistaken the movie's actual lead actor Harve Presnell for Howard Keel: they are not unalike. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 20:16, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Howard Keel#Stage work says The Unsinkable Molly Brown (1971–1972; 1973). There is no sign he was in the film. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

SensCritique

need to change 2700 occurrences of SensCritique and senscritique.com to SensCritique

see:

• https://www.senscritique.com/
• {{ill|SensCritique|fr|SensCritique}}

need bot or script

Xo4v (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Bot requests. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 02:38, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Date of birth and AutoWikiBot

At Talk:Cathy Dennis#Date of birth and other claims there was consensus to remove the birth date per Cathy's request and WP:DOB. I thought the year should have been kept, but the editors working the page decided to nuke the whole thing.

The problem is that anyone using autowikibot will see a suggestion to add Category:Year of birth missing (living people). What is the best way to let autowikibot users know that this isn't a case of someone forgetting to add a DOB? Will they see a HTML comment?

Alternatively, should I just push harder to have the year listed? Cathy seemed to be concerned about her birthday being published, not her age. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:10, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

If the consensus was to remove everything including the year, then perhaps pushing hard to get it re-added might not be a good idea because the others involved might start wrongly accusing you of WP:IDHT. If the consensus was unclear on the year, however, then seeking further clarification should be OK. As for the autowikibot stuff, perhaps Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser (I think that's the same thing) would be the place query about that. Someone had to have created the bot and someone has to be monitoring it, Maybe "Request a feature" is the place to suggest such a change if needed; it's possible noone anticipated such an issue. Other than that, you could try leaving WP:HIDDEN notes in the text (near anywhere Dennis's DOB might be added and at the top of the categories section) asking those wanting to do so to check the article's talk page first. You might also want to suggest somehow fixing that discussion on the article's talk page so that it doesn't get archived (if the page is set up to archive). I'm not sure of the technical side of doing such a thing, but it would be helpful for the relevant discussion to always be on the article's talk page if you're going to make reference to in hidden notes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:24, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Featured Article edits

Is there any process for monitoring edits to FAs, to ensure they remain "the best articles Wikipedia has to offer"? I'm watching one which has had 66 edits in the last 24 hours. I'm not saying they're detrimental, because I don't know enough about the subject to give an opinion, but I notice one prolific, apparently good faith, editor is a registered user with no user page, less than 6 months on WP, and a talk page discussing their past errors with other articles. I'm feeling uncomfortable that a FA is being significantly edited without any monitoring. Masato.harada (talk) 11:58, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

It would be very surprising if no-one has that article on their watchlist.

Today's FA, Valley Parade, for example, has 39 page watchers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 12:26, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Preventing things from being edited, "just in case", is regarded as being against core Wikipedia policy. An article can usually only get protected after there is clearly an ongoing problem with that article - not because there could be one later. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:18, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Masato.harada. I'm a bit late to the party perhaps, but I respond anyway. Due the extensive review (at least compared to other articles) an article needs to undergo to be granted FA status, most of them probably have multiple stewards watching for anything that might detract from their FA status. Of course, this doesn't mean that they can't be vandalized or subjected to otherwise sub-standard editing, but it does generally mean someone will notice when they are. If you feel the edits you're referring to above are sub-standard in terms of relative Wikipedia policies/guidelines, you can of course WP:FIXIT yourself or revert back to last stable version per WP:STATUSQUO. You should leave an edit summary explaining why you did what you did and maybe even follow that up with a post on the article's talk page. If you're more of a WP:CAUTIOUS type, you can start a discussion about the edits on the article's talk page first, and notify others per WP:APPNOTE: I believe all FA have a template at the top of their talk pages telling who reviewed the article and when they did so. Just for reference, according to Category:Wikipedia former featured articles, there are quite a lot of articles which have been demoted from FA status; so, it's not like once an FA, always an FA. I'd imagine that most of these had nothing to do with random vandalism or bad editing and everything to due with different interpretations of or changes in the FA criteria over the years. It's sometimes helpful to remember WP:CCC when it comes to Wikipedia.

Finally, someone not having a user page isn't really a good indicator of their contributions to Wikipedia. There are lots of users who have been improving articles regularly for years that have (for whatever reason) decided not to make a user page, and there are lots users who been editing for years who only seem to spend their time making edits in their user space: often the first thing they do is create their user page. I'm only making this comment because you didn't identify the specific user that led you to posting here (you don't need to do that). If that user is making bad edits, it almost certainly has nothing to do with them not having a user page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:04, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

OK, thanks to you both. I'm more comfortable now. Masato.harada (talk) 06:51, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

What is a 6 20 621962 W.cronkite earliest 15 minute broadcast worth

did cbs copy rite june 20 1962 broadcast in 1990 ~2026-52381-54 (talk) 13:02, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

This is not a general help desk, sorry 331dot (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2026 (UTC)