Talk:Workplace democracy

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Untitled

Inquiring as to why is this article being tagged for deletion by Darkstar. Thanks Ransdy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC).

Original research. I was unable to verify the majority of the text in the sources listed, or on the internet. if you were the original author, if you could supply a few different references, i will delay the deletion. Darkstar1st (talk) 21:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just looking for the clarification.Ransdy (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Merging

I support the merging of this article with the article Industrial democracy. --Eduen (talk) 07:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Seconded Rosguill (talk) 03:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose merge. Industrial democracy is a specific, and perhaps the ultimate, form of Workplace democracy. It is distinctly notable as the apogee of workplace democracy. While many western societies exhibit forms of workplace democracy ("the application of democracy in all its forms ... in the workplace"), few have industrial democracy ("in organizations employing industrial democracy they also have the final decisive power (they decide about organizational design and hierarchy as well)"). Klbrain (talk) 06:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested opposition (after allowing a month). Klbrain (talk) 22:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Oppose, yeah, they are different. Carptrash (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Quality

There's still a lot of unsourced material in the article, but it's clearly not a stub. Upgrading quality classification to "start" Rosguill (talk) 03:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

False pretext?

Pretext is a false reason so "false pretext" is like "false falsification", and has no sens unless someone only pretends that he or she is acting on the pretext. But, in the context of the article, the pretext is real. Vikom (talk) 01:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it's safe to assume they meant to write "false pretense". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

However, as an employer, you have enough power to fire your employee on some pretext without resorting to false pretenses. You don't have to pretend to be something that you are not. Vikom (talk) 22:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Poor source in Criticism section

Source 7 (Northouse, P.G.) is an unverifiable source (costly book) that is biased (on leadership where workplace democracy removes leaders in the workplace) and appears to contradict all evidence available on the subject (see source 4, Doucouliagos, Chris) --Dcarroll9999 (talk) 01:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

undue

Any objections to removing the {{undue}} tag for the Mondragon sentence (unclear if it's intended just for the Wolff citation or the whole section?

While it's true that more sources and corresponding information should be added to the Mondragon section, Mondragon is one of the best known major examples of real-world cooperatives in Western countries, and likely more notable than Marland Mold and Semco. Boud (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

I think the undue is for the quote by one random person, and I'll remove that quote. I agree with you about Mondragon; definitely more well known than MM or Semco, so we really could have a larger paragraph there. Maybe I'll transclude the lead from there? ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:05, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

United Electrical, Radio, and Machine Workers of America

I have removed the paragraph about the United Electrical, Radio, and Machine Workers of America. The passage is quoted below.

A well known and studied example of a democratic national labor union in the United States are the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, known throughout the labor movement as the UE. An independent trade Union, the UE was built from the bottom-up, and takes pride in its motto that "The Members Run This Union!"

I've removed this for two reasons. The source attached to the first sentence does not establish that the UE is "well known" or "well studied", and instead deals with the issue of racism in the Communist movement by studying the UE and another union. Therefore, the sentence should be considered to be WP:RVUNSOURCED. The second sentence is WP:RVUNSOURCED, as the citation provided does not refer to the UE at all, and so does not refer to its motto and whether or not it takes pride in it. It also is WP:INAPPROPRIATE because it is using clearly promotional language. Phrases like "takes pride in its motto", "known throughout the labor union" and "built from the bottom-up" are ones you would expect to find in a promotional add. If someone would like to re-add the passage with neutral language and better sources feel free, but for the time being it is best if it is removed.

ZebraGourd (talk) 23:55, 17 November 2025 (UTC)